interzone/pyschogeography/theory.

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so i think they are connected, but not sure how, if we define interzone as a place where coloniol, post colonial and others meet, a lawess sazimadat paradise, how does pyschogeogrpahy mesh ?

and how do i get a bunch of people who eschew theory, who do not know this shit, to understand and care ?

― anthony, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I do not understand your question, but I will answer it anyway.

Much of Interzone has mutated into the Generic City, whether you like it or not. The archaic narratives of any post/neo ideology remain relevant to distribution of necessarily competitive biological, linguistic, and economic systems that the overlords have established in the Generic City.

For example, it is senseless to ask if their is any such thing as the United States, because many Iraqis are painfully aware of its existence.

― Cub, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:40 (twenty-two years ago)

use smaller words. use concrete examples. try not to use words prefixed with neo and post. people like me have no idea what they mean, and generally don't want to.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)

also, don't make assumptions that your audience knows anything about anything you're writing about. i mean ferchrissake, if you try to tell clueless lil' me that interzone is a lawless sazimadat paradise - i would tell you to fuck off then go home and play on my GBA emulator.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I never even heard of psychogeography, but I know what it means.

― Cub, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Interzone. Generic City. Sounds like the setting of a DC-Comics series.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha. Interzone is W.S. Burroughs. Generic City is Rem Koolhaas.

― Cub, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 07:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Interzone. Generic City. Sounds like the setting of a DC-Comics series.

From high culture to low culture over the course of one generation. How ... appropriate.

Maybe that is the way to pose it to get people who do not know or care about theory to understand... posit the whole thing as the setting of a sci fi cartoon. Pop culture and movie references - Mad Max, Blade Runner, that sort of thing.

― kate, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 07:53 (twenty-two years ago)

actualy, interzone (renamed Al-Amarja) is the setting of the roleplaying game Over The Edge.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 08:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Keep theory out of it entirely, or pile it on for effect. People I know who are really into psychogeography dress it up in an intentionally silly amalgalm of mysticism and jargon in order to prevent reification by the cultural establishment MAN, dude - maybe slightly paranoid, but it's funny. And then they go off and play drunken street poker - pick up playing cards you find as you flâne around cities until you have a hand.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2000-02-18/screens_video3-1.jpg

"Over the Edge" is actually a 1979 film about juvenile deliquents that reside in a planned suburban wasteland on the western Northern American continent.

http://www.drake.edu/artsci/PolSci/ipe/barrio.JPG

Popular superheroes reside in the Interzone, as Super Barrio Man leads the fight against social injustice in Mexico City.

― Cub, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 08:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm puzzled as to why you want to forcibly introduce (and make understand and care!) people to this extremely minority-interest field. Eh?

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 08:33 (twenty-two years ago)

We have not properly defined "psychogeography" on this thread, have we?

Situationists are funny.

― Cub, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 08:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Mayeb Anthony is just frustrated that some of the things he likes are simply too complex/niche for other, less intellectually surious people to understand. Me, I agree with Phil on the subject, but also it's refreshing that Anthony should recognise that others don't find it easy to understand what he's saying.

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, dictionary.com doesn't recognise "sazimadat", so it must be pretty fucking obscure. Please enlighten me!

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

But he should explain! I'm sure we could understand and would want to try if it wasn't so jargon-y.

(And I think he means samizdat)

― Sam (chirombo), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

(maybe that should be my new name. Sam Iz Dat.)

― Sam (chirombo), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

It's difficult balance, because a lot of the time it's fun to read people's stuff and come across new terms and then go off and look them up. And then perhaps get turned on to a whole new area of reading. But when something I read consists of nothing but things I don't know about it's difficult to know where to start or even to care. I need some sort of jumping-off point.

― Sam (chirombo), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

But maybe people do know what Anthony means and I'm being thick.

― Sam (chirombo), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:14 (twenty-two years ago)

why are these ideas seen as so obscure that they warrant telling someone trying to communicate them to "fuck off"? One appears in 'the Naked Lunch' by William Burroughs, (and was namechecked by a really obscure indie band called Joy Division); and the other finds its roots in Surrealism. You'll have heard of that, right? Or should I just fuck off too?

how psychogeography maps onto the "interzone" - any way you want it to. As I understand it mapping psychogeography is an act of creation.

To communicate this act of creation to theoryphobes, I'd say tell it as a story, a journey through the city, like Iain Sinclair does with his wanders around Dalston and the City of London.

― pulpo, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm reading Naked Lunch right now. Its pretty blah.

― fletrejet, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Why would psychogeography (which so far seems mostly personal) mesh w/the "Interzone"? Or at least what would their specific meshing be, and how would it be different from Pgeog's involvement w/any environment? Anthony you should say why you care, I reckon.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the best way to get others interested, I mean

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

why are these ideas seen as so obscure that they warrant telling someone trying to communicate them to "fuck off"?

You missed the point totally, you pretentious twat. If one is trying to communicate obscure ideas to those who "eschew theory" [and don't try to tell me that interzone & generic city is common knowledge], trying to define it using even more obscure theories would be completely senseless - causing the crowd to roll their collective eyes and lose interest. Get it?

Or should I just fuck off too?

maybe...

― phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Welcome to interzone. Drunk as fuck the psychogeography rolls off the tongue like thick slices of mung on a sesame seed bun and that's just half the fun. Rolling into overdrive slice the curve down to half the pie and see the alibis slip and dip into the sauce but that's your own loss. Totally loose and drop the caboose at the first sign of moose droppings just barely stopping in time to cop a defensive stance lance the boobles for perpendicular dueces lined up for the shotgun blast but it won't last.

― drunken (nickalicious), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"pretentious"

― pulpo, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

REVIVE!

― Cisco Pike Jr., Thursday, 17 March 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

Its a shame people had to try and turn this thread into a joke. I mean, what part of:
so i think they are connected, but not sure how, if we define interzone as a place where coloniol, post colonial and others meet, a lawess sazimadat paradise, how does pyschogeogrpahy mesh ?
do you people not understand?

― King Canuck, Thursday, 17 March 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)

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