People who can't be bothered to use Google - Dud / Worse?

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So far at work this morning, I've had three separate conversations (with tech-literate people) that go essentially like this...

Them: What can you tell me about [topic, thing, whatever]
Me: I don't know offhand, but there's probably a web site out there somewhere that has it.
Them: Oh, can you tell me where the site is?
Me: Again, I don't know but just search around.
Them: [odd stare]
Me: Er, try using Google?
Them: I suppose, but I was hoping that you would know.

GREAT HELLFIRE CTHULHU PEOPLE!!! You have absolutely no problem in downloading enough mp3s or porno to choke a cow yet you can't freaking figure out what Google is, how it works, or even bother with it? Not to mention that it takes longer to walk around to my office, interrupt me by knocking on my door (I'm working on a scary SQL project at the moment and have my door closed), apologize for interrupting me (hello, email?), and then ask your useless question, than it does to type in "www.google.com" into your browser?

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

You can just type in "goo," the broswer will do the rest for you.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

How much porn would it take to choke a cow exactly? I know chicken, but not cow.

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

J-Lo used "google" as a verb in Maid in Manhattan. That means everyone should know what it means.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

They just want to be your friend! Is that so wrong?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Occasional Human Contact: C/D?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate friends.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

When I don't want to be their friend at the moment - yes.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Google can be incredibly crap if you're trying to research something obscure, though. Actually, maybe I mean the Internet can be incredibly crap, period.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Answering stupid questions for people when you have less of a clue about what they need to know than they do = dud.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

My point is that your coworkers are not insane.

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Google can be incredibly crap if you're trying to research something obscure, though.

The internet is not always the place to go for information that's very obscure.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, but I'm lazy.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, maybe I mean the Internet can be incredibly crap, period.

Entirely true, but one way to strengthen your BS detector is to wade through both the useful and the useless. After enough times you start getting a knack for quick evaluation of what you're reading and whether it's helpful or not.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Is the blank-stare-at-mention-of-google phenomenon better or worse than the route-every-webpage-view-through-google effect?

I work with a woman who literally uses google to find "yahoo.com"

???

martin (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Google can be incredibly crap if you're trying to research something obscure

not true, the obscurer the info your after, the better the results. internet is crap at looking up mainstream information, because you don't get point of view and credits you get in a book

try coupling your search with names of critics you already trust and admire

say for example you are looking for academic info on djs: just type in djs and deleuze (haha)

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Jan OTM

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

My point is that your coworkers are not insane.

No, they're just lazy scumfucks. (I have been plenty guilty of not using the Net to run a quick search myself, admittedly -- but unlike Chris's tormentors, I send my lazy scumfuck requests through e-mail. ;-))

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

But Ned, it's not that they're too lazy to use Google. I really think it's just a matter of wanting to talk to a human being that causes people to knock on doors. And sending an e-mail is WEIRD because you don't get human contact *and* it's just as difficult as googling.

Obviously "being interrupted for a trivial reason when you're working very hard" is a dud, but not being bothered to use Google is CLASSIQUE! Throw down your laptops!

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

You Books on Tape freak you. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I really think it's just a matter of wanting to talk to a human being that causes people to knock on doors.

Hurm.. If I see a closed door during work hours I interpret it as "person is not there" or "person is there but unavailable". Either way, you don't knock unless you've got a Really Good reason.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

but not being bothered to use Google is CLASSIQUE! Throw down your laptops!

Feh. I suppose you rather have us go back to card catalogs too?

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah! Me and Nicholson Baker agree: Card catalogs are sexxxy.

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

google is not infallible.

MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, card catalogs are sexy but grrr argh Nicholson Baker.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

DO NOT CHALLENGE GOOGLE

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Card catalogs are good for notepaper. There.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

But they're so cuuuuuuuuuute. I want one, a real one, to keep my cds in. They are nowhere to be found.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I think we ritualistically burned ours along with the copies of the Guide to Periodic Literature (or whatever it was called). But the idea of them as CD storage is good, yes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: A card catalog vs a puppy.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

(Granted, a puppy wouldn't hold as many CDs.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

not even a Grebt Dane puppy?
(which wouldn't be a Skinny Puppy)

MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

(Yes Nicholson Baker is dud-ish, although I did like "The Mezzanine") (People who can't be bothered to use the dictionary: C/D?)

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Aw, Grebt Danes are k-rad! My uncle breeds them.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(No, he doesn't keep his CDs in them.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Donut Bitch and his Great Dane-breeding mom to thread!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

DB's mom might know my uncle! He judges dog shows now.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't get me wrong, I like NB's other writing but his book about libraries was completely wrong headed.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

This happens to me repeatedly with the same coworkers day after day. I tend to emphasize "google" in an increasingly disdainful way.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, NB's library book was tedious. It really just needed to be a 5000 magazine article.

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Baker is really fetishistic and obsessive about all things related to the written word, which I think is both his blessing and his curse. But I really liked/sympathized with his essay on copy editors (or maybe it was a tangent in another essay, I don't remember).

(Did he actually have a whole book on libraries, or do you mean the essay in The Size of Thoughts?)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

It really just needed to be a 5000 magazine article.

That's one long ass article.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

It would be shorter than the book!

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, he does.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh dear. (I love the Amazon review there that starts something like "I assume the previous reviewer is a defensive librarian, and in Washington DC, whatever library could that be?" ... cause yeah, it's not like there are people who live or go to school in DC who would need libraries, so obviously said librarian must work for the LOC aka THE MAN.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Here is a card catalog CD storage unit.

I knew I'd seen it somewhere

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Only stores 288 CDs? Forget it. Call me when they're ready to be serious...

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

cause yeah, it's not like there are people who live or go to school in DC who would need libraries

There are public libraries in DC, but they are largely crap.

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I've seen the cd storage units that are meant to look like card catalogs, but they don't cut it for me. The real things were sturdier and nicer.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Use Google. There are plenty of places that sell classic-style real card catalogs.

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Using Google to find classic-style real card catalogs is surely akin to fucking your grandparents?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

only you would know (or care.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I just can't afford to buy anything right now, but one day I will get one. I probably should have clarified.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

google is not infallible.

The internet is not infallible, books aren't too, and films too ...

Google currently owns 50% of the Search Engine market which is too much, but they did set standards. MSN recently tried to buy Google but the asking price was 10 times what Overture paid for altavista so MS declined. They were pretty upset too, which has led them to the decision to make their own search and squash Google. Good luck MS! --source: MSN Belgium

If you want to make money on the internet, you have to play with Google. I have heard stories where a business was making 3700USD/month and then got dropped from Google. New revenues per month: near to zero/Month. Haha.

Another classic story: A business listed its competitor URL on a lot of messageboards, guestbooks, etcetera. Google considered this spam and the competitor was rewarded with a de-listing of its URL by this Google bomb.

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 07:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I just thought 'I will forever think of internet searching as 'googling' even if google gets 'squashed' eventually.'

then I remembered I don't remember napster. or audiogalaxy.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 07:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Was 'audiogalaxying' a verb, though?

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 08:16 (twenty-two years ago)

OK.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 08:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"defensive librarian" - are we talking American Football? Crossover scholarships ahoy!

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

If you want to make money on the internet, you have to play with Google. I have heard stories where a business was making 3700USD/month and then got dropped from Google.

What do you mean by 'play with' and 'dropped by' here?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

> the obscurer the info your after, the better the results

I agree completely!
I haven't found any other way of searching that works so fast and on such skimpy information. Where else can you type in "don't tell a lie, don't be false or untrue" and get the complete lyrics to a song you only dimly remember from high school? Where else can you type in the punchline of a favorite comic strip ("crazy Romans!") and view a .jpg seconds later? Where else can you type in the name of a band and get -- not only websites devoted to the band, but also websites that may help explain why the band chose that name ("Roswell Incident" for example). And if you spell something incorrectly, Google suggests possible alternatives (type in "Will Scarlt", for example, and it will say "do you mean "Will Scarlet", which you can then click on to see results -- no retyping!)

Ironically, it's when you're trying to find NOT-obscure stuff that Google isn't so good. (try searching for a particular website about Madonna, for example, and you'll have to do a lot of qualifying and narrowing down)

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> I want one, a real one, to keep my cds in. They are nowhere to be found

In the library where I work, we sold them off for $25 each when the card catalog was dismantled about ten years ago -- each catalog had about 50 drawers, very deep, and was made of solid wood with excellent drawer hardware that still slid smoothly after thousands of uses (my family bought three of them, but gave them away to a small private library that needed them).

It's because of this super-sturdy construction that you don't find REAL card catalogs for less than $200 anymore (forget the knock-offs -- the hardware is bad and the whole thing capsizes if too many drawers are pulled out at one time). Antique stores have snagged the real ones up mostly, realizing that there's a demand for them still -- not only from small private libraries that can afford to computerize, but also from people who collect silverware, or who create art, or who make window displays, or who just have a lot of small junk that they need to store somewhere.

Do try a Google search if/when you decide you can afford a card catalog -- just type in "card catalog" and "for sale", and see what happens! It should be an obscure enough search to give you some decent results. Good luck!

stripey, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"from small private libraries that can afford to computerize"

whoops! That should read "can't".

stripey, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
I remember trying to wire money to a family account in Australia. My local bank manager wanted to know what the address was for the St. George Bank. Keep in mind, this is like a banker insisting that you give him Citibank's street address before doing anything. I told him that we should try to look for it in Google.

So he pulled up the Microsoft Search Engine (which I suspect was his home page) and typed in the word "Google".

This banker looks exactly like Chief Justice John Roberts.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

I miss 1998 when I got all my info from Dogpile and Lycos. I wanted a labrador just like "Lycos". I never got one :(

JTS (JTS), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)


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