I'm having an How To Handle Agression course day to-morrow.

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What can I aspect? role-playing ? I work as a receptionist. Its about agressive behaviour from visitors. Which i never experienced tho, but it could be of use in daily life i guess. What to wear?

Erik, Sunday, 13 April 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

What to wear?

Ear plugs. If there's any role-playing, it's bound to involve some serious shouting.

Wintermute (Wintermute), Sunday, 13 April 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it a martial arts course?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Expect Jack Nicholson and Adam Sandler. Then be disappointed.

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I told this story before I think, but it's as good a time as any to bring it up. Once we had a little corporate outing to the U.S. Open, and this man was on our little shuttle bus. Eventually he looks really worried at the other passengers and then shouts out, "Wait, is this the bus to anger management?" We were like, no, it's to golf. He made the driver stop and ran off kind of hysterically.

We only later found out that he was a crew member for the film Anger Management, being filmed only a short way from the Bethpage golf course.

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Erik, you work as a receptionist?

I am imagining a movie based on your life and I am imaging that movie will bear a certain resemblence to "Amelie".

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Erik, you work as a receptionist?

I sense suprise in you.

but yes, i'm lightly employed. but i haven't seen Amelie yet.

And I'm abt to go now to the Anger Management course, ha!

*rattles hurriedly away in his knight costume*

Erik, Monday, 14 April 2003 04:23 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not so much surprise as connection: I've done the receptionist gig a lot. I'm good at it, and I hate it. I don't do it right now.

But: You work as a receptionist, you make charming drawings, you wear splendid outfits, and every picture I've seen of you has you in some incredibly well-thought-through pose. You are the stuff that artsy romantic comedies are made of!

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 14 April 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Hrmmmmm. Interesting. I really need to go on an anger management course. Is there also a course on how to handle your own aggression? And the repeated desire to stick pencils through certain people's eyes?

kate, Monday, 14 April 2003 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate, come to Portland, go to the Rock & Roll School For Girls. Maybe it'll help give you an outlet...

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I have an outlet for my aggression. But I'm convinced that the more you express your agression in your art, the more you become accustomed to expressing it, and the more aggressive you become in real life. You get used to shouting and swinging your guitar at people's heads when you're frustrated with them.

kate, Monday, 14 April 2003 07:41 (twenty-two years ago)

What, you don't go into the basement and write a scathing song about them instead? I need to play live more.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
Wow, revive, please.

I was looking for a thread about Anger Management, if it works, or if it's a waste of time, or what. But this will do.

It's really interesting that I made the comments that I did on this thread.

I stopped being in a band for a year, and even though I had my drinking and all that pretty much under control for a change, my anger management skills went to hell in a handbasket. Wonder if that is related or not.

I'm actually seriously considering doing some kind of anger management course, but I might just download the info off the internet and work through it myself.

Has anyone taken an anger management course? Have any experience? Opinions? Etc?

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago)

Anyone? Hello? This is not a random revival, this is an actual question. Should I have just started a new thread?

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:01 (twenty years ago)

(Or maybe revived my "how to ignore people" thread which was pretty much on a similar tip.)

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:01 (twenty years ago)

I'm always being told I act aggressively at work, which is odd, because I don't think I'm aggressive in general.

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Kate I think you will find some good company here:
The occasional and overwhelming urge to kill everyone around you

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Is there stuff there about how to *handle* that urge?

I don't want to share the urge, or express the urge. I just want solutions with what to do with it!

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:34 (twenty years ago)

OK, yeah, that was a funny thread. But not exactly constructive for me.

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, sorry - not much help there...

(I just read parts of the thread and was a bit surprised by my Barry-ness...)

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:38 (twenty years ago)

The only other thread I can find about anger management is an "abusive relationship" thread that I was all over, which had pretty dismal things to say about Anger Management Groups. Sigh.

I've found some advice on the web. I'm gonna print it out, or rather, have a friend print it out. (I'm very tempted to ask Joe to do it, in the hopes that maybe he would read it, too, but that would be passive aggressive, wouldn't it?) Just do what it suggests (nothing too weird) for a couple of weeks, and see what happens.

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago)

It's too bad TOMBOT seems to have stopped posting since he might have some things to offer. I can't remember the thread title but I recall one where he was openly discussing issues around anger, etc.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:57 (twenty years ago)

Some good anger management links (I based a five minute bit of training with a very angry person on this stuff a few years ago and it helped with the destructive side).

http://www.ad.rhul.ac.uk/counselling/anger.html
http://www.counselling.cam.ac.uk/anger.html

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 22 July 2004 08:12 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, Pete, I will check out those links.

Rob, yeah, I remember that thread, too. I think it was the "gritting your teeth" thread or something like that. I'll search for it.

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:10 (twenty years ago)

I have done it kate, and found it basically useless.

anthony, Friday, 23 July 2004 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Why was it useless, Anthony?

Was it that it didn't teach you anything you didn't know already, was it that the techniques were useless, or something else?

Much of the stuff I've read sounds very helpful and useful, but it really will be a case of me having the strength and resolution to actually put it into implementation.

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:43 (twenty years ago)

alright

here is the score, i think that anger works alot like how laing thot pyschosis worked, ie a legitmate way to handle a situtuion that you have no power or control over.

so, you get angry, and the whole instinct of the 3 anger management programs i have been in is that you cannot be angry, and we need to redirect it.

it says nothing about why you are angry, and if yr anger is legitmate or not, or if its contextual. i get pissed off really easily at cops, b/c i have had a history of cops that have been pretty abusive or not functional...none of this was addressed, for example. (ie there is a reason why you are angry, that reason is legitimate, what is that reason and how are you going to process it out...most anger management classes do not really say that anger is legit.)

also i think alot of anger that comes from women and other visible minorites is related to how they are treated, they are constantly on edge b/c of the inherent misogyny, homophobia, racism, etc in our society, and so any anger management seminar is about the womans sins and not about societies.

that and role playing makes me giggle like a motherfucker--its like assuming dungeons and dragons will add to yr social skills.

anthony, Friday, 23 July 2004 09:01 (twenty years ago)

Hrmmm. I do actually see your point.

But... well, that's not what I've gathered from the stuff that I've been reading. It's more like, "yeah, you have a right to feel your emotions, but you can find better ways of expressing those emotions."

I guess that's what you mean by redirecting it, but it's kind of like... yeah, you have a right to be angry. But you do *not* have a right to take that anger out on those around you, or those who are not responsible for the roots of that anger. (Or even if you are dealing with a person who is causing your anger, are there better ways of getting the results that you would like that don't cause you to lose your shit.)

Though it would be good to distinguish between rational anger and irrational anger.

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:06 (twenty years ago)

still i think that as a woman you get in more shit and have more guilt forced down yr throat b/c yr angry then if you werent...maybe thats not fair

anthony, Friday, 23 July 2004 09:19 (twenty years ago)

True... anger isn't "ladylike" so anger is often seen as more of a problem in women than it is in men. In some circumstances, anger (for me) can be a rather positive tool, but usually when it's dressed up in assertiveness with a dose of humour. Because anger is so shocking in a woman, it gets me results.

But I'm thinking more of anger in my personal life and my personal relationships, where it really does wreck havock.

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:21 (twenty years ago)

sometimes i am perturbed by my lack of anger, and wonder if i am angry really, but don't know it. i guess i do have it from time to time about work, but i think that is partly linked to a feeling of powerlessness, though that is now dissipating again

elber (gareth), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:38 (twenty years ago)

I have found that the point is that it is fine to be angry but you need to make sure that you direct that anger towards what is actually making you angry. Often in a relationship that will be the other person, so this is a natural response, but sometimes you might be angry by piss poor service in a restaurant, and if they are passive or indifferent about it you vent your anger on them - rather than the restaurant itself (ie it is easier to be angry towards someone you know because you have a fair idea how they will react).

Pete (Pete), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:04 (twenty years ago)

Well, it's relationship anger that I have the worst problem with. I'm *very* good at directing anger at the person who is causing it in that situation.

I need to get better at expressing that anger in a way which is constructive, which solves the problem that is usually making us both angry, rather than escalating into a big massive fight which accomplishes nothing except making me and the other person hate each other.

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:07 (twenty years ago)

Seperating anger from hate is a key move here. You can be angry at someone you love, they can be angry back. Its finding constructive ways to come back from the outbursts that is often tricky. My parents accidentally discovered the two hour rule, which meant if they got so angry that they couldn't be in each others company, one could come back in two hours and nothing would be said on the issue (that day).

When arguments turn into anger you have to wonder is it the substance or form of the argument which is causing the anger. A lot of the times it is just their lousy arguing style that will get your hackles up.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:11 (twenty years ago)

God, that is so true, and that is the key to everything that has happened with Joe and I in the past six months.

We've been angry with each other, but that doesn't mean that we hate each other. But unexpressed (in his case) or overexpressed (in my case) has lead to resentment on both sides, LOTS of resentment, and that resentment killed our relationship. Crikey, thanks for that, Pete, you've just put something into total perspective there.

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:15 (twenty years ago)

just realised that i've been much less angry in the last few months, not sure why-- no near fights in bars for me. although it's possible that it's just because no really slimy guys have tried to touch me or my friends...

colette (a2lette), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:20 (twenty years ago)

Hrmmm, Colette, I feel like I've been getting *more* angry over the past few months. Probably because resentment and stress has been building up in other parts of my life, to the point where the tiniest trigger sets me over the edge to freakout stress level.

And over the past week and a half, that baseline stress level has strangely dropped down to very low, and as a result, less irrational random anger, less panic attacks, etc.

Has your baseline stress dropped recently in any major way, Colette? Cause the slimey guys are just as slimey as ever! You're just finding them funny and/or cute now.

Ma$onic Boom (kate), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:27 (twenty years ago)

Considering you hang out with London ILX I find that very hard to believe, Colette.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:28 (twenty years ago)

Colette's probably just drunk!! ;-)

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:30 (twenty years ago)


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