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dunno if this has already been done before, so apologies if it has...

i like ILE best, mainly because i don't post to ILM as i like to talk about music as a kind of adjunct to all the other shit i like to ramble about. which one do you spend most time on and - well, godammit, WHO'S THE BEST??

― katie, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mere avatars of the same being that is Greenspun. *flicks holy water in the direction of the unknown deity that controls us all*

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

most people seem to prefer ILE these days, but to me, they are equal.

― gareth, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like both but for different reasons. ILM because I can learn about other people's views on music. Here I like the rambling.

― nathalie, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

People seem happier going off on wild flights of speculative thinking / nonsense on ILE at the minute, which I find the most amusing part of both boards.

I read both, but feel less inclined to contribute to ILM because (a) I have nothing useful to add to the threads where other people know more than I know and (b) I don't feel that anyone would be especially enriched by reading my thoughts on the (few, small) areas where I perhaps know more than most.

It seems you need to know nowt to post on ILE, so here I am.

― Tim, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Without ILM there'd be no ILe, so let us be truly thankful.

― jel, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think ILE only becomes great once you've spent enough time on ILM to get to know everyone, and have some context in which to appreciate their irrelevant stories and awful puns. That's what happened with me, anyway.

― Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nitsuh's hit on the big problem. ILE works partly because of ILM - althugh not entirely, there are lots of people here - Emma, Maria, Paul Strange, Hanle y, Anthony and many more - who were ILE people first and foremost.

I think that despite that ILM has served its purpose and should slowly be absorbed into ILE. The 'message' of FT has been that music is best appreciated and written about as part of the rest of your life, and so it seems sensible for the board affiliated with FT to not be a music board.

― Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know about absorption, Tom -- I do like the fact that everyone in an ILM discussion can be expected to stay reasonably on- track, and give the question at hand priority over their related personal material or relevant jokes. It's like the dining room to ILE's kitchen (or, more likely, toilet).

― Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've always liked the weird mirror=phasing, where the same topic arrives mysteriously simultaneously (not Worst Taste, so much, cuz that was deliberate), but, like, Homo- Pol, Hate and Fear on ILE vs Nas/Jay-Z and Queer Rap on ILM.

― mark s, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(= = -)

― mark s, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

NB the absorbption thing isn't some kind of editorial diktat, just a current personal preference.

― Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have to take issue. ILe is not a toilet. In my mind it is the house of an odd eccentric with multiple personality disorder.

― jel, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like ILE because I have things to say, whereas at ILM I mostly read because I know nothing about anything. It gives me lots of downloading to do though, which is good.

― maria, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The 'message' of FT has been that music is best appreciated and written about as part of the rest of your life

Vindication! Um, sort of.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ILe is not a toilet.

No, ILE is quite definitely a toilet.

― Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I just say that that's one of my favorite threads EVER?

― Dan Perry, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You utterly and totally surprise me, Dan.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can here you boggle from here, Ned.

Another recent resurrection that had me in stitches was this one. The crasser the board becomes, the harder I laugh.

(To save time, I'll write Ned's next response for him: "Perv.")

― Dan Perry, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm more confused than anything else about the most recent one. Still, though, you are clearly pervy, yup.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom, i'm curious. if yr starting to think that ILE and ILM should possibly be amalgamated (music isn't seperate, is part of everything else etc etc), how come you seperated out nylpm and blue lines, and now nylpm and groke? jus curious

― gareth, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

NYLPM is a team thing and BL/Groke isn't. Also from a branding p-o-v the separation works, though I regret not talking about music when I did Blue Lines a bit.

― Tom, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...

Sometimes I want to point ILE (well, those on ILE who don't read ILM very often) in the direction of ILM threads cause I want more contributors. Like today I like Robin's : Love / Hate the music / ethos question and I want people to respond to what I said because I am an egomaniac.

― Nick, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

all the young dudes are over on ILM these days, didn't ya hear? that ILE shit is old hat. everyone should also go and look at me entering the Jay-z vs Nas thread.

― gareth, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I rarely go to ILM b/c I don't feel I have much to say. Most of the time I haven't even heard the music being discussed. e.g. the focus group - cannot participate b/c I've only heard 2 of the songs.

― Samantha, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i daren't load that jay-z thread. it must be hy-o-wj by now.

― Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

also don't you find that ILM = (music=serious)

― Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ILE is too serious

― gareth, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But I've never heard Nas...is he that boxer guy?

― james, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Boxer guy = Oscar De La Hoya, who is a Sinatra-esque crooner, not a rapper. Although Nas might box and I just don't know it, De La Hoya is actually a world champion boxer.

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, he's thinking of Naseem Hamed.

― Kris, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

See, my friend just recommended this band Deerhoof to me and out of interest I did a search for them on ILM and there were loads of hits but 90% were just entries in lists. Which is a bit dull.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 7 February 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Deerhoof are a rock band from San Francisco with a rhythm section that flails around furiously (the drummer sits on a milkcrate) and a small, female japanese(-american?) singer who alternates between shreiking and sort of la-la-la-ing. They're like Melt Banana slowed down quiteaways. I've seen them play lots of times in friends' houses and they put on a pretty good show; I don't care much for their records.

― Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 7 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I still like ILM better, though the political and sex threads here are pretty usually interesting.

― Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 7 February 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick: wrt: deerhoof

i wrote this a few years ago:

"dual ultra-trebly/high-gain saturated tone piercings, that new strings flavor. some harmony melody lines, clumsy drumming turned savant mid fill. vocals from far away, strange performance art dancing toward the end. arty/math-y/free/psych out."

they're all right but their last record is def. the best thing they've done.

― gygax!, Friday, 7 February 2003 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned seemed to be coming all over them on ILM

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 7 February 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ahem.

They are quite good, yes.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 February 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

There are some sound files on the K Records website or whoever their label is.

― felicity (felicity), Friday, 7 February 2003 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i can just steal you some cd's probably n.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 February 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

I still love music and I still take part in ILM discussions, but lately I've felt that the main thing there seems to be music critics talking about other music critics, music critics criticizing other critics' criticisms, and - the funniest of all - music critics beefing with each other over their criticisms. Which is rather too insular and self-centred to me, no offense, not to mention that I have little interest in the music critic scene. I can't remember, has ILM always been like this, or is it a more recent development?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 5 January 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, thank god ile isn't taken up with meta-discussions.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 5 January 2006 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but the ILE meta discussions are usually about ILE and ILXors as a whole, which means most people probably have some sort of interest in them, or at least know what they're about.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 5 January 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

uh... i dunno about that dude.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 5 January 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well, whatever. I didn't mean to say the meta discussions in ILE are any more interesting. But at least I don't have to read dozens of "blogs" and music mags to understand them.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 5 January 2006 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

ILE
27 mark grout 1085 (50)
ILM
6 mark grout 1154 (57)

Looks like ILM shades it, just.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 5 January 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

True. But roughly 90% of the time the ilx in-jokes are over my head - and i spend roughly 90% of my time here!

xpost

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 5 January 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

You sleep only 2 h 24 minutes a day?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 5 January 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

WELL WHAT IF HE DOES?

― LC, Thursday, 5 January 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomas - look at the time i posted that message (remembering i live in toronto) - that should answer your question.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

ILX : What is The Genre Of Music You Dislike/Hate Most?

would results have been any different if that poll had been on ile?

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:01 (seventeen years ago)

I still take part in ILM discussions, but lately I've felt that the main thing there seems to be music critics talking about other music critics, music critics criticizing other critics' criticisms, and - the funniest of all - music critics beefing with each other over their criticisms. Which is rather too insular and self-centred to me, no offense, not to mention that I have little interest in the music critic scene. I can't remember, has ILM always been like this, or is it a more recent development?

Wasn't it always like that? but now with added guardian zings

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:03 (seventeen years ago)

Well, why not ask it there now? xpost.

― Mark G, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:04 (seventeen years ago)

xpost

and people wondering about common and easily googleable facts

― The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:05 (seventeen years ago)

x-post
I think tuomas did the sorta equivalent poll

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:16 (seventeen years ago)

but no-one hated metal in that one. ILE is obviously far more metal than ILM

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:42 (seventeen years ago)

Peeps on ILM seem to have been a lot more open in the past.

― libcrypt, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:50 (seventeen years ago)

It's a weird experience to know way, way more about music than anyone you know, and then hop on ILM and feel like a pathetic amateur.

― polyphonic, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:53 (seventeen years ago)

naah.

But, yeah.

― Mark G, Thursday, 17 January 2008 23:22 (seventeen years ago)

I thought there would've been less guitar hate now than years ago when ilm started, but no.

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 17 January 2008 23:31 (seventeen years ago)

weird cuz i think there's way MORE metal talk now than in the past

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:19 (seventeen years ago)

I take credit for that. Sole credit.

― Jeff Treppel, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:26 (seventeen years ago)

weird cuz i think there's way MORE metal talk now than in the past

And it annoys people hence the votes?

― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:27 (seventeen years ago)

ugh that thread

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:29 (seventeen years ago)

What lemmy thinks of that thread

― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:39 (seventeen years ago)

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