It's Tax Day in the U.S. - Did You File?

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April 15 is a day many Americans dread, and for good reason. Did you get your taxes finished and in on time? I've got mine all ready to go, just need to run to the Post Office, stamp the suckers, and let 'em rip.

MAJOR PROPS, btw, to Ally and everyone else who helped/lent their support in ILX chat last night!

hstencil, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

God, I guess I will be doing this next year. *shudder*

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

How does it work in the UK?

hstencil, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Ummmm, good question, hstencil. Well, I didn't do anything this year. or last. My dad to thread!

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I mailed mine yesterday. I actually finished them a couple of weeks ago, but I held onto them to make sure my payment would come out of my midmonth (nonrent) paycheck. However, this was made nonhelpful by the $1000 car repair I now have to pay for. Maybe the $5 state tax refund I'm getting will help.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

For people who itemize their deductions, what sort of crap can you deduct?

fletrejet, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

All depends on if it's relevant to your employment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

true dat, Ned. Some day, maybe next year (if I ever get my house in order), I will file a proper return and deduct a whole buncha shit. For now, though, I'm satisfied with last-minute just-get-my-standard-deduction.

hstencil, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I deduct, I believe, state taxes, business-related expenses not paid for by my employer, and "charitable" contributions.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Gabbneb's list is the standard breakdown. Medical expenses can count as well but only if it goes over a certain percentage of your federal gross income, and there are further specific factors as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeez, I need to know all this, actually. Any websites that break this stuff down? I also need to sort out some insurance - nickalicious to thread!

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i filed an extension :(

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's Pub. 540 that goes into itemized deductions in detail -- you normally file a Schedule A with your 1040 that lists those deductions, but there is other paperwork sometimes required as well. Everything's online at http://www.irs.gov

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

If you've got investments, you get the Schedule B, word booty.

hstencil, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

What counts as investments? Do you need a massive portfolio or just a sprinkling of shares?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

anything. Whatever financial institution you deal with will send you a 1099 form that's got all your info on it. You have to report even the tiniest dividend (well, at least you're supposed to).

hstencil, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

>I deduct, I believe, state taxes, business-related expenses not paid for by my employer, and "charitable" contributions.

I thought state income taxes were deducted from your taxable income even if you took a standard deduction (I live in a non-state-income tax state, doesn't matter to me). Can you deduct state sales taxes?

Can i deduct the mileage cost of driving to work as a business expense?

I live in a state w/ no state income tax, i have no school related expenses, no kids, no medical problems, don't own a house, and my charitable contributions won't amount to anything. I always figured I got nothing to deduct anyways, and I may be right.

>anything. Whatever financial institution you deal with will send you
>a 1099 form that's got all your info on it. You have to report even
> the tiniest dividend (well, at least you're supposed to).

A few years ago I forgot to include some dividend for a small amount ($100 or so), and I got a letter from the IRS telling me that the bank reported the income to them and I had to pay it. I ignored it, and nothing happened to me. I am an evil tax cheat.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

In the UK only the self-employed and people with more than just the basic forms of investment have to file a tax return. The tax year ends on the 5th april. File before 20th september and the Revnue calculate your tax for you other wise calculate it yourself and you can leave it till the 20th january the following year. There's different forms for every different kind of situation, the only one I have to fill out is the one that sates the income I recieve from renting a room out set off against the mortgage expenses.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't file in 1999 or 2000, causing severe amounts of anxiety and fear and loathing. So, I finally dragged my butt into HR Block and dealt with it. Turns out that I'm owed like a ton of money (no penality if the govt owes you). Plus, I never received my return last year cuz of the outstanding filings. So, it's looking to be a good year for me.... although I'll believe it when I see it.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

The number of tax cheats continues to grow, as the number of IRS regulators shrinks.

hstencil, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't even done the form yet. Usually I am not this tardy.

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Some day, maybe next year (if I ever get my house in order), I will file a proper return and deduct a whole buncha shit. For now, though, I'm satisfied with last-minute just-get-my-standard-deduction.

I've been saying this for two years at least. But next year for real! Especially since I think I can write off broadband and Tivo!

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

yes i filed sometime in early february i think, the same day i got my W-2. i like to get that money back ASAP :)

ron (ron), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I already got my refund and everything, I'm like the best tax payer ever.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

And you are the best tax payer helper ever, too! ; )

hstencil, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Awww, I never knew you cared! Seriously, it's not a problem.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The UK tax system is tricky. I was a massive £4,000 out on my estimate for my last tax bill. Fortunately, it turned out I was £4,000 better off! Whoopee!!!

Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

For years, people told me to get an accountant. Finally, I broke down and got one.

My accountant RULES.

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I just sent mine off; I'm very excited 'cause I'll be getting to-my-surprise a pretty massive refund, with which I will be purchasing a fuckin nice gnarly laptop...aka I finally have somewhere to put all that pirated music software (hello echelon!) I've accumulated over the past year aka be on the lookout for the dawning of the Digital Age of Nickalicious Myoozick. PH34R THE C00L-ED1T PRO...STITUTE.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Last year I filed three years' worth of income tax records and got a big fat return for all those years and I partied like a rock star. As long as the government owes YOU rather than vice-versa they don't really give a rat's ass if you file or not, go figure ... although they won't pay you back for anything beyond three years. So anyway I didn't file thinking I want to take advantage of that big end-of-three-years payday ... and yet, I'm broke, so now instead of partying like a rock star I'm partying like a toothless 80-year-old bag lady. :=(

jewelly (jewelly), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah the wife and I filed and paid our $1000 bill this morning. Fuck off.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Not yet. I need a deadline to push me on. Hello 12 midnite.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

filed a month ago today... wire transmission sent last night at midnight

:*(

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Filed :-(. Owed lots of money but no surcharge since it was way beyond my (mainly nonemployed & student) taxes last year [though still i feel broke when looking at all the fancy paperwork for people who make, y'know, real money] and then had to pay the first quarter of my estimated for next year. :-( :-(.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, you crazy meer-kans and your funny ways.

why doesn't it just come out of your pay packet every month like normal people?

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

it does!

hstencil, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It does if you set it up accordingly -- withholding is the overall term for it here, at least. The thing about it is that it is not exact, so you have to calculate things up anyway to see if you've not withheld enough (which sucks) or if you've ended up setting aside too much, in which case the joy of refunds. But this also all depends on the employer, the method of employment, how you're paid...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

huh? this seems very non-normal, how can it not be exact? over here (assuming one is in continuous employment), one has an allowance (about £4500, for the "average joe", if you will) which they then divide by 12 and everything over that one pays income tax on (just over 20% unless you're earning quite a bit), where's the problem?

yeah, if you're self-employed things might get a bit complicated (see mark's post above), but the rest of us live in pretty much blissful ignorance as it's deducted at source, before it even gets to our bank account...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

The United States Tax Code is completely fucked. This is usually the only thing I agree with the GOP on (altho I don't agree with their solutions).

hstencil, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

What hstencil said.

The US tax code is a fucking blunt instrument for social engineering. It's despicable. created by cretins and plundered by all. It's hideous. It's unfair. Fuck the 16th Amendment or whichever one it is.

Today is a good day to drop by:

fairtax.org

The past 9 years are proof that the GOP cannot be trusted with shrinking the tax code or the government. BUT -- we can at least credit the GOP for shifting burden of proof in Tax Court to the IRS.

don weiner, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

>huh? this seems very non-normal, how can it not be exact? over here (assuming one is in continuous employment), one
>has an allowance (about £4500, for the "average joe", if you will) which they then divide by 12 and everything over that
>one pays income tax on (just over 20% unless you're earning quite a bit), where's the problem?

The problem, from what I see, is what you call the "allowance", called the "deduction" here in th US, varies depending on many, many, many, many things (= the fucked-up-ness of the tax code). So the "standard" deduction taken monthly out of your wages is a wild guess unless you happen to take the standard deduction (I do, most don't).

Also, taxes on investment type income is usually not withheld.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

And that is not even taking into account the Alternative Minimum Tax (I don't think anyone on this board would have had to figure it), which I heard is going to really fuck up some middle class people soon.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I set up an installment plan for my $500 bill with the state of NY so I could afford to get my brakes fixed.

This time last year I had finally finished paying off a $1400 federal tax bill. One year with no monthly payments! woo hoo!

That Girl (thatgirl), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I filed electronically back in February because I was getting a refund (which I urgently needed, and have since spent).

I do itemized deductions, because I pay mortgage interest and had medical expenses that my employer didn't cover. (FYI: you can only deduct those medical expenses over a certain percentage of your income. As my employer doesn't provide health insurance, this wasn't a problem.)

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

So picked up my stuff from my tax guy this morning and was totally shocked to discover that I owed this year. (I usually get small->large back from business write-offs and itemized deductions - it's messy which is why I just use a tax guy).

Fucking depressed right now.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I am just like J.Lu (in fact, I think I bragged on the board about my massive gonzo refund).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

This is probably (hopefully, I guess) my last year of being tax-exempt: school loans aren't taxed, other income wasn't high enough to require filing (actually, I'm fairly sure I should have filed one of those freelancer tax thingies, but ... whoops.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Arrrrrghghghgh. I got my raise yesterday, and retro pay back to July. Which was almost exactly the amount I owed in taxes. Bleh!

I mean, don't get me wrong, taxes are great and all, but -- BLEH!

Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

OK I finished: I owe upwards of $350 :( :( :(

I guess being an unemployment collecting freelancer is not the way to beat to the system.

This is going to put a serious dent in my new electronic lust items buying.

Will I make the midnite date?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

oh damn, sorry Mary. Better hurry!

hstencil, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i called to get my extension at 11:55.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha! I already got my refund ages ago! It helps when your sister is a stay-at-home-mom and has an accounting degree.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i filed for an extension ... and i owe $500 (which i paid).

and the IRC has been very good to me ... at least till 2010 (and then only for one year! [unless we don't get rid of the repigs come 2004])

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)

And that is not even taking into account the Alternative Minimum Tax (I don't think anyone on this board would have had to figure it),

i'm getting an LL.M. and i don't know much about the AMT (except where in the Code it is)! nor do most tax lawyers or accountants, for that matter.

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The allowance is different from deductions. The allowance is a level of money which everyone is allowed to earn tax free, its about £4650, at the moment. There is income tax which is variable depending on you earnings, from 10% to 40%. Then there is National insurance. Which works on the same allowance and is charged at 11% (i think) on earning between £4650 and £33000 or their abouts and 1% above that. Employers also pay NI and there's a different rate for the self employed. Only certain expenses are deductable against tax, mainly you have to be self employed or own and rent property, although there are things such as using a private car for work that can be allowed for although this is also fairly simple, your employer can give you up to 40p per mile and not have it counted as income.

So if you are an employee then the tax system works automatically for you, you inly have to apply for things such as tax credits (child, pensioner etc.) but tax credits is just a fancy name for benefits.

The most basic investments, savings, bonds, even some mutual funds, deduct tax automatically although at the mid band tax rate, if you pay low rate tax you have to claim it back if you pay high rate tax you have to file a return.

We also have 17.5% VAT sales tax on everything apart from books, newspapers, food (to eat at home, i.e groceries and take away but not restaurants), childrens clothes, and its only 5% on fuel/electricity.

Local taxes are based on the property value and are paid by whoever is resident in the property. There's a 30% discount if there's only one person resident in the property otherwise its the same however many people are there. Its deeply regressive.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck it, if i don't have to faff about working it out myself, it'll do for me.

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 07:37 (twenty-two years ago)


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