Largest acceptable number of people on a stage playing music.

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So this past weekend I had the opportunity to watch some "VH1 Classic," which is like a truly balding M2 for VH1, if that makes any sense -- lots of old Genesis and Rush concert footage. The most interesting thing I saw was a video by a group called Spirit, who I'd never encountered before (but featured "Skunk" Baxter of "wear earplugs or you'll end up deaf" fame).

Anyway, the disturbing thing about Spirit was that it consisted of at least 42 people, the vast majority of whom were playing guitar. Seriously, you could have organized an entire World Cup qualifying round with just the members of the band, and I don't even want to imagine what hell they must have been on soundmen. There were at least 7 guitars, 3 keyboards, and a seemingly uncountable number of percussionists. And the worst thing was that they couldn't possibly "match" one another as a band, but they didn't have a collective "big party on the stage" Parliament/Funkadelic feel, either -- they were more like the Village People, in that there was one southern-rock looking guy, one new-wave looking guy, one South American percussion guy, one heavy-metal guy, one jazz-looking guy, etc.

So you can either fill me in on precisely what the deal was with Spirit or you can just tell me when the number of people on a stage becomes far too high for your liking.

Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(I suppose this is a sort of ILM question, but I'm not looking for serious musical / critical answers, so this seems more appropriate.)

Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think the largest number of people I've appeared on stage with was close to 300. This was a big chorus with full orchestra, though, so I'm not certain it counts. The BSO tour I just got back from had something like 220 people travelling around Europe.

Dan Perry, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There really is an obvious place to go for Spirit info, Nitsuh. But if you want an unserious answer, because they were all freaky hippies except for the bald guy at back.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The deal with Spirit is that they were a trio: Randy California, his stepfather Ed Cassidy and Jay Ferguson. The ppl = passers-by (?)

mark s, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The original spirit was a 5-piece (randy california, the bald guy, who was randy's father in law BTW, Jay Ferguson, John Locke, er and someone else) Their first 4 albums Spirit, Clear, The Family That Plays Together and 12 Dreams of Dr Sardonicus are about as good as music gets, and IMO they were far, far ahead of ANY sixties psych band on these releases. Listening to the fancy Sony reissues, their sound anticipated Led Zep (listen to IIRC "taurus" off their first album - consider that ver zep supported Spirit on their 1st US tour) Roxy Music, Van Der Graaf Generator and Popol Vuh off the top of my head. The later stuff is v hit & miss in my experience.

As far as thee origina question goes, the largest allowable no of musicians allowable onstage is HOWEVER MANY PARLIAMENT/FUNKADELIC had.

xoxo

Norman Fay, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nitsuh's descrip brings to mind Santana rather than Spirit...

Sun Ra and Duke Ellington seemed to know what they were up to when they crammed the stage w/musicians. And Spiritualized do the whole orchestral orgasmic electrical mindfuck thing pretty well (esp. at the Albert Hall w/balloons!)

Andrew L, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ha, ha, Ned. I want to know what the people say, man, not what some ivory-tower egghead up in Michigan says. Man. Oh wait -- nevermind.

I should mention that I draw some mental distinction between large groups that are sort of regimented (choirs, string sections, etc.) and large groups where thousands of people are just individually banging away at something. And for some reason I don't count jazz (in my own head), as I want to tell myself that there's some inner regimentation there. That's completely uncorrect, I suppose, but I'm going to cling to my differentiation so as not to reveal my scant knowledge of jazz.

AMG entry for Spirit of 84 (whence the video I saw) lists 8 guitar players, 8 vocalists, 7 percussionists, and 2 keyboard players. You'd assume that they were spread all across the album, but I can now vouch from experience that every single one of them appeared on the title track.

Methinks maybe there were just too many technically-skilled musicians in this vein during the mid-sixties, and so the only way to keep everyone employed was this kind of crap. Sorry to be so uninformed- ly judgemental about large bands, but once more than 10 people are playing individual bits, my head just shuts off. Apparently I like to focus on clearly discernable elements. Or else I was right when I said I had the worst taste on ILM.

Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ask sundar.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

sorry - to elaborate, sundar played early this summer onstage with 99 other guitarists at the World Trade Center for a new Glenn Granca symphony. The most startling thing to me was how quiet 100 amps can be. I think indoors the drone would have been a little more nuanced and shimmery.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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