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semiology, enunciation, narratology, semio-pragmatic, psychanalysis, feminist, cognitive etc
search & destroy!

i think semio-pragmatic made the strongest impression on me
I'll write about it later (+ lucky me i had the chance to exchange a few words with Roger Odin himself!)

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Friday, 18 April 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

search neoformalism, cognitivism, poetics

― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

"fictionnalization" is one of his best concept imo.
it means to go along with what is being told to us, get emotionaly involved, "to get caught in it"... throughout the history of the industry of cinema we see that being concerned to get the maximum profits, they are contantly ajusting the tech (synchro sound), languauge (transparent editing) and even the theater (disposition of chairs etc) to get better at it. etc

When I talked to Odin I was still believing in a "combat cinema" and wanted to get his impression on this... i was naive and it didn't occured to me that what he was doing was bigger than this (and less cliché) because his concern was the reception of film itself thru our institutionalized lectures; production and lecture of films as programmed social practices. as a research fellow, the way home movies, tv and hollywood were of equal concern to him gave him a good flexibility to understand the changes in this art form. he was very kind and listened to me well, he understood what i was on about and suggested me to look into castoriadis, and bourdieu too altho he was not always agreeing with him ;-)

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Friday, 18 April 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you talking to anyone Sebastien?

― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i was lost in my memories

this thread is so empty you see...

but if you wanna elaborate on your selection it would be grate

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Friday, 18 April 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

esp about poetics
i'm not certain i know what you are referencing to but i can't help to think of ruiz for some reason and wonder how his work would fit in a specific poetic film theory unless it would be one of his own

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Friday, 18 April 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

so this odin cat basically told you to stop being such a shmuck and go see some films! is that really a concept!

― zemko (bob), Saturday, 19 April 2003 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

betcha combat cinema is way less interesting than it sounds.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 April 2003 09:56 (twenty-two years ago)

when cinema engagé becomes a tradition and it's stragegies are like an old toothless lion it's time to go at it differently so you won your bet indeed it was not interesting :-)
(but since i had already said so the odds were low).
for an example Ettore Scola was already satirizing this in 1980 with La Terrazza ...

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Saturday, 19 April 2003 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

hm, I am right about now trying to get a grasp on Deleuze's cinema books for a seminar I'm taking - I was he wrote about more than the great auteurs - but I'm very appreciative of his focus on *time* and the time-image as proper to the art form. Er, I am really not good at explaining, but Tarkovsky wrote a book on cinema as 'sculpting in time' and thinking about the long takes in his films as exactly that, pieces of time, gives a good point of depart.

― daria g, Saturday, 19 April 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

btw, Sébastien, which Ruiz film? I only have seen Le temps retrouvé..
Don't a lot of those who are most innovative in cinema prevent one from "getting caught in" a film? I feel kinda uncomfortable with the notion.. elaborate, svp ?

― daria g, Saturday, 19 April 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Deleuze: put up or shut up.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 19 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't a lot of those who are most innovative in cinema prevent one from "getting caught in" a film? I feel kinda uncomfortable with the notion.. elaborate, svp ?

you are right. I was musing in the open to help myself remember what i knew of it and your comment helped: if a poetic film theory have to come from a research fellow it will probably consist of examples of rhetoric figues taken from different films. but i'm just saying that before having made a proper search.

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Saturday, 19 April 2003 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

read "Rhetorical Figures"
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(ilx should have a correction button next to the submit button isn'it?)

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Saturday, 19 April 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

whatever do you mean, amateurist?

― Josh (Josh), Friday, 13 June 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't remember! [/cop out]

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

twenty-two years pass...

https://www.bfi.org.uk/features/object-week-peter-wollen-notebook-lists

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