― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 21 April 2003 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 21 April 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 21 April 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 21 April 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― chester (synkro), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
I think the above attests that Anthony Lane isn't always thinking. Though he's as easy to read as Godard is difficult. Easy reading is often k-difficult writing.
I agree about Schjeldahl; he's good.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 21 April 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 21 April 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 21 April 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 21 April 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)
Movie critics (those who I bother reading) seem evenly split on Spielberg and sad to say the "populists" (or at least those a little less wedded to academic film studies) are probably more right than the "elites" (i.e. Jonathan Rosenbaum, etc.) with whom I have more affinities otherwise.
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 21 April 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)
My feelings on the man are very very mixed.
― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 21 April 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)
haha what slutsky said, exactly.
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 21 April 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 21 April 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― H (Heruy), Monday, 21 April 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 21 April 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)
I'd like to able to say J. Hoberman and Jonathan Rosenbaum but nothing in their last few years' worth of columns has really had the spark of inspiration. I think Hoberman is confined by the Voice's word allotment, and Rosenbaum's recent work seems formless, like notes toward a review rather than an actual review. (Perhaps time will be kind to it.)
I like reading the "amateur" critics on the Web. There's a lot of received wisdom masquerading as revelation there, but often there's also a genuine enthusiasm for contemporary cinema (and by contemporary I don't mean Kiarostami and Hou and Wong etc. but stuff that's coming out right now by relative unknowns) and the medium's possibilities. Shelly Kraicer's Chinese Cinema Page is a perfect example.
I actually have fond more such enthusiasm in the academy than in daily newspapers--I don't know whether that says more about academia or the state of American journalism. David Bordwell remains something of a ideal figure here; he constantly refines his view of cinema past in light of the present (his new book on the staging of Feuillade, Mizoguchi, Angelopoulos, and Hou sounds incredible) and bringing his profound understanding of cinema past to current developments without exhibiting any cynicism or crankiness.
More later maybe.
― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)
I do read Ebert rather compulsively, although he seems especially resigned lately. I think he's fine at appreciations--and I do think he is very sincere, and I respect that he's aware of the chance he has to communicate with very many people, and often chooses to champion good movie-related causes (preservation etc). Have you ever read that fascinating interview with him & Siskel in a book I unfortunately can't remember the name of? Oy. It's late. I must continue this later.
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)
i think one problem is that the film studies/cirticism field is so crowded and so titled toward academia--and the canon so entrenched--that people don't want to go out on a limb lest they not receive an opportunity for tenure or a position at a solvent paper. academic film criticism is sort of going in circles like most humanities departments. and daily criticism doesn't afford the opportunity to go out on a limb--neither the space nor the editorial policy begs for it. i guess cahiers--a journal founded by "amateurs" after all--isn't really all that far from those online magazines, only no one's buying the latter so people have to make a living in other ways (now we're back at the academic problem).
where are the filmmakers who are also poeticists of the cinema? kiarostami apparently publishes some stuff in farsi (but aside from his poetry what's available in english or french translation) and we have that crazee von trier and then there's the wonderful guy maddin (not so much a grand theorist as a ranconteur) .... who else?
...haha cosspost: slutsky i typed some blanket insult covering the salon critics but deleted it for fear i'd open up a flame war. but i see you've got my back.
― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 08:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 09:34 (twenty-two years ago)
Glieberman I have no love for myself, nor any of the EW critics. Like so many others they seem to be writing towards the boring mean of wide-circulation movie criticism. However they bother me less than most of the smug Film Comment types though.
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)
2002 roundup
Double-Bills
John Cazale
Pop music soundtracks (one of my three or four favourite movie pieces)
Scorsese
(There are other good ones listed on his home page as well.)
― s woods, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― s woods, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)
It's good, but she's not at her best: it feels to me a little knocked off while a blueberry pie was baking or a fridge defrosting. Some of the claims feel arbitrary - the especial glory of a teen girl's amorous valour, for instance: why? And she pays far too scant attention to the obvious centre of the picture: the matched and glowing beauty of the leads, which critics at the time denied or failed to see, and without which the film really would be off-putting, as it isn't.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)
Amateurist, let me take a look at some old Comments and get back to you; right now I don't remember anyone's name. I'll admit that they do publish some good stuff, but a lot of the time the writing comes off as smirky. Love Guy Maddin's columns tho.
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)
Taylor's pretty spotty, agreed, and too much of a Kael disciple -- but I actually have a soft spot for Stephanie Zacharek.
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm an "Erik H." but that's not me either.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:19 (sixteen years ago)
charles taylor is fucking awful
― velko, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:28 (sixteen years ago)
he lets slip some of the contempt his dry little bon mots usually conceal = damn I wish I had some dry little bon mots to conceal my contempt
― Brio, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:35 (sixteen years ago)
Dry little bon mots are awesome with tea.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:42 (sixteen years ago)
Would like some dry little bon mots myself, but failing that I'd just like a relaxing little shave at the Bon Ton Tonsorial Parlor.
― Meade Lex Louis (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:59 (sixteen years ago)
i dont really see how that comment could have been fact-checked.
― Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 21:10 (sixteen years ago)
also charles taylor is terrible.
taylor is a pretty terrible critic, but he's terrible in such a specific, weird way that i used to like reading his stuff the way you 'like' poking at a sore tooth. he always sounds antagonistic and smug at the same time, like a less well-read ron rosenbaum.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:14 (sixteen years ago)
i dont really feel like anthony lane's contempt is usually concealed? i mean he's pretty out in the open abt it
― just sayin, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:17 (sixteen years ago)
Taylor's early Salon reviews (1996-1998) aped Pauline Kael -- in style and ethos -- so unabashedly that I couldn't help but like them; but the allusions to smart aleck buddies and insiderism gradually disappeared from her work.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:27 (sixteen years ago)
anthony lane seems p. nice to me? not a george sanders type at all. he is condescending, but whatevs.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:31 (sixteen years ago)
seems like a pretty weak example for his big go at anthony lane tbh.
― Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:35 (sixteen years ago)
His screed reads like he's still miffed that Lane brought whiskey instead of bourbon to the filmcrit xmas party last December.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:42 (sixteen years ago)
*~drops dishes~*
― jØrdån (omar little), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:45 (sixteen years ago)
more like he's mad that anthony lane didn't recognize him
― Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 23:31 (sixteen years ago)
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/resources/2007/07/charles%20taylor.jpg
lane made fun of his shirt
― velko, Thursday, 19 November 2009 17:14 (sixteen years ago)
i'll get you anthony
― Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Thursday, 19 November 2009 18:26 (sixteen years ago)
I don't remember Charles Taylor being terrible.
― Xiffy Pup (Eric H.), Thursday, 19 November 2009 18:27 (sixteen years ago)
for evidence, see his writing.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:18 (sixteen years ago)
Quote specific examples.
― Xiffy Pup (Eric H.), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:25 (sixteen years ago)
What a couple, huh.http://www.tinyepiphanies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/stephanie-zacharek.jpg
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:25 (sixteen years ago)
In terms of shirt prints, that is.
I like Zacharek well enough but Taylor really comes off as more pissy than his supposedly pissy target in that thing.
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:35 (sixteen years ago)
I agree with l'homme moderne.
― It Ain't The Meme (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:37 (sixteen years ago)
That's exactly the kind of thing that someone who wants to be considered a 'serious' critic should never publish.
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:39 (sixteen years ago)
He's overstating his case, and he's half the critic Lane is, but I do find the tart "dear" an incredibly aggravating and sexist mannerism.
And I'll give Charles Taylor some leeway for being, iirc, the only major critic to give Million Dollar Baby the battering it deserved:
"At least when Burgess Meredith did this stuff in the "Rocky" movies he had the good hammy sense to treat it like the hokum it was. "Million Dollar Baby" is a piece of ham intended for those who keep kosher. Its dried-out, humorless achieved grubbiness is meant to purify it, to lift it above its melodramatic roots. Eastwood's performance is one long wince, and he directs as if it would hurt him to throw in a little lightness, a little color, one scene that didn't look like it was shot in a gas station bathroom."
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 20 November 2009 09:51 (sixteen years ago)
WHY DO PEOPLE EVEN READ ANTHONY LANE
― .. help? (admrl), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 23:56 (fifteen years ago)
I take back what I said about him being funny. I have no idea what I was talking about!!
― .. help? (admrl), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 23:57 (fifteen years ago)
:( i think he's funny
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)
=(
― .. help? (admrl), Thursday, 19 August 2010 00:00 (fifteen years ago)
He's not as funny anymore but still funny.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 August 2010 00:38 (fifteen years ago)
that's true; also i don't read him regularly anymore.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 August 2010 00:42 (fifteen years ago)
i think anthony lane is funny even though hes wrong a lot of the time! but at least he has sort of interesting taste. and god he looks like the greatest critic in the world when hes alternating with david denby
― max, Thursday, 19 August 2010 00:43 (fifteen years ago)
by "interesting" i just mean "unpredictable" i guess which can be nice
i probably already mentioned this in this thread, but in his nobody's perfect collection there's an article he published on the the new york times fiction bestseller list that's soooo funny.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 August 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)
i always get pretty disappointed when i flip to the back of a certain weeks issue and denbys name is there, i usually take longer to read those issues than others, knowing that hes involved
― max, Thursday, 19 August 2010 00:47 (fifteen years ago)
It's better than Gore Vidal's, which says a lot.
He's often more incisive on literature: Matthew Arnold, Waugh, Connolly, Ruskin.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 August 2010 00:55 (fifteen years ago)
ditto for the one where he tackles the huge, stodgy, tedious bestsellers of 1945
― The great big red thing, for those who like a surprise (James Morrison), Thursday, 19 August 2010 01:06 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, totally
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 August 2010 01:09 (fifteen years ago)
This is an old thread; I guess Lane was still relatively new when it was started. I'll skim-read the beginnings of reviews at newsstands to see whether or not he likes something. If there's a voice there that I might connect to, I'm either reading too fast or reading the wrong parts. He seems to me to be so inconsequential in the shadow of Kael.
― clemenza, Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:08 (fifteen years ago)
He's excellent when analyzing, with a mix of camp and seriousness, the arc of a director's career: Bunuel, Bresson (I discovered him thanks to Lane), Hitchcock, Sturges, Kieslowski.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:10 (fifteen years ago)
A friend whose opinion I respect a lot says he's very good. What I've read just goes right past me; the writing seems very precious, as far away from Kael as possible (which is not in and of itself a bad thing--I know she drives some people crazy), and the humour is evident but not in line with my own sense of humour. I have his collection and skipped around in there a bit, but again, I lost interest quickly. I undoubtedly have a huge blind spot where I expect him to fashion his writing after Kael's, and am not able to get past that. My problem, not his.
― clemenza, Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)
I'm not sure what to say. Kael has her blind spots. I prefer to regard her as one of the great essayists of the last fifty years than a film critic.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:30 (fifteen years ago)
his recent eurovision article was kinda dumb, but made me lol a lot
― symsymsym, Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:38 (fifteen years ago)
also, max otm about denby
― symsymsym, Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:39 (fifteen years ago)
this guy is basically rex reed but good. nobody's perfect is one of the best toilet books i've ever owned.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 11 June 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)
most of my respect for pauline kael comes from 5001 nights at the movies being the same in the latter case, but i lost my copy of that long ago.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 11 June 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
Funny this just got revived, as I was just thinking this morning how little of Lane's writing lately I've actually enjoyed, reviews as well as that pointless Pixar piece.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 June 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
i enjoyed the pixar piece if only because i was surprised to learn what weirdos the pixar people are.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 11 June 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
From his Chef review:
The action begins on a day made anxious by the fact that—Oh my God—a critic is coming. I love this idea. The next time a Superman film comes out, I’m definitely going to call the cinema beforehand and make sure that Clark Kent tries extra hard to save even more of the world than usual.
p sure this the worst joke anthony lane has ever made
― slam dunk, Thursday, 8 May 2014 23:08 (eleven years ago)