How do you learn from your own mistakes?

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So, I went to see Roy Ayers last Sunday night, which was fantastic. But I managed, rather stupidly, to get really trashed before I got there (I have no idea what I was thinking), was half an hour late, fell over while there, you know how it is.

The problem is, I went to the gig with a guy I'm very fond of and spend lots of time with. Now, we'd had a conversation very recently in which he said he was sick of seeing me drunk and if I didn't do something about it our friendship would get strained (fair enough, even though none of my other mates say anything! Anyway...)

Of course I was horrified, embarrassed, etc etc. And yet there I was a week later, drunk and being a dick at a gig.

All this is after my ex-fiance throwing similar shit at me as one of the reasons he broke it off with me 12 months ago (turned out that wasnt why at all but thats another story). Back *then* I was mortified, never again etc. And that didn't last long...

Why the hell don't I listen and learn the lessons I'm clearly being shown? How the hell does it work? Why does it seem so goddamned hard? I'm really annoyed at myself but somehow changing, I mean *really* changing, seems impossible because I feel like saying "well this is how I am! Deal with it!" even though I keep stuffing up and losing boys I love as a result.

I don't know if I want answers so much as opinions. I'm at a bit of a loss...

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Or alternatively, does anyone else out there have a karma-kicking-you-up-the-arse tale you feel you did or didn't learn from? Am curious to know how people make themselves "a better person".

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

In my experience, it doesn't feel like a gradual thing, there's *a lot* of repeating the mistake until finally (until it's too late?) there's a switch thrown on (or off) inside of you that sort of puts you in a different mindset, and that's when change happens. It feels abrupt, but has built up after a long time.

There is a lot of hardwiring that keeps us from altering pathological behaviors, even when we're conscious of engaging in these kinds of acts.

So unfortunately, all that I can say is that the only way to learn from mistakes is to make them over and over.

Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 06:46 (twenty-two years ago)

yikes trayce, not to poor gas on the fire, but are you sure you don't have a drinking problem? cuz boys don't generally complain about girls drinking too casually, drunk girls seen as a good thing usually for reasons that can only be described as creepy. as for the bigger question, I don't know, sometimes I think I've figured out something or finally learned not to let the more stupid aspects of me overwhelm the less stupid aspects of me and then biff bang pow I'm making the same stupid mistakes I was making at thirteen. so I don't know. I will say that alcoholism (and I'm not saying you're an alcoholic) is a more serious, dangerous problem than merely not ever figuring out how to 'play it cool', so maybe at least give that aspect of your life some inspection.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

the only thing i learn from my mistakes is that i make them. it doesn't stop me from repeating them. i have limited self control.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

feel free to e-mail me about this, btw, trayce.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It's ok James, I'd expected someone would bring that up :) Lets just say I am heading too rapidly towards a problem, and need to really out on the brakes before I get there.

Only two people Ive known ever said it was "an issue", and I know this cause I've asked other friends/partners in some panicked attempt to figure out if I really was an alcoholic! They all say "youre no worse than the rest of us whats the deal?" so its hard to make a judgement call. I know I have no self control, I know thats the big issue.

I've been viciously aware of this for a while now (12 months or more I think) and it isn't easy, but I'm trying! :-/ One day at a time and all that...

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

In my experience, it doesn't feel like a gradual thing, there's *a lot* of repeating the mistake until finally (until it's too late?) there's a switch thrown on (or off) inside of you that sort of puts you in a different mindset, and that's when change happens

this is a big fear I guess. That something awful (as if whats already happened isnt bad enough) will have to happen. I don't really even want to think about that.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)

This is one of those things that's so internal I have no idea how to give a useful answer. The only thing I can come up with is "effort," which is useless enough that you should feel free to punch me in the arm :)

My closest thing to an anecdote is that I used to suck at relationships. That's not entirely true, but it's the easiest way to sum it up: I was no good at balancing between relationship, work (that is, writing; school, job, didn't count -- I can sacrifice time and attention from those without caring), and whatever my own needs at the time were (generally, "growing up" -- in my first relationship, I think I pretty much stayed 18 for three years because I was too busy doing shit to actually grow from the shit I was doing).

When my second engagement ended after almost four years, I realized I was at a standstill with writing, school, and my own personal bullshit as well -- I'd respectively: fallen into that rut of tinkering with the same stories over and over but never finishing them, reworking old ideas instead of coming up with new ones and pushing myself; gotten hung up in a program I thought I was emotionally invested in but actually wasn't getting any satisfaction from; and fallen into cycles of behavior I kept blaming on external things even though the behavior was the same no matter what the excuse was. The relationship would have ended no matter what -- but it ended when it did, and the way it did, because I was spreading myself too thin between treading water in four different ponds and not making any progress in any of them.

My first relationship had ended exactly the same, only more painfully and less healthily -- but I had been in the same position of having no idea what I wanted to do with my life over the short-term, and having no real investment in anything (I've mentioned having gone to Hampshire; this is when I dropped out). So I figured, okay, that's a crappy three-to-four year cycle to fall into. Let's fix that fucker.

At first I thought that the problem was that when I was in a relationship, I put other things aside, and so I should take time off from even the possibility of a relationship and get those other things tended to. I decided not to date for the rest of the year (this was in a March) -- not just no serious relationship, but no dinner-and-a-movie, no one-night stand, nothing. Fix my shit before inflicting it on anyone else.

I got my shit about half-fixed before I realized what a half-assed idea that was, and spent the next year after that focusing on what I should've learned ages ago: how to do that balancing act, how to be in a relationship without either neglecting things outside it or investing in them at the expense of the relationship. How to write regardless of mood and the content of the day-to-day bullshit -- how to keep my day-to-day life out of my writing. How to focus selfishness so that I could take care of myself in whatever ways I needed to without actually doing so at the expense of other people.

All in all, I think I'm lucky to have figured that shit out in two years -- being in graduate school and having thesis hours to burn helped :) None of it is especially helpful to you, because it's not like I can say "well, I turned the rheostat of my arrogance down from obnoxious to simply charming." It's all internal, and a lot of it came down not to telling myself to stop doing things, but asking myself why I did those things -- or why I felt certain ways -- and moving in a different direction.

Of course, I had an easy hook, too -- writing (I feel like I bring up writing in nearly every post here that isn't a one-liner. I'm nearly always writing in another window when I read ILX.) I could set an easily-imagined goal by saying, "Okay, I want to write XYZ. What kind of guy would write XYZ?" "Well, that guy would." "Right. I'd better be that guy, then." It's just a mental trick -- maybe like those visualization exercises they used to have us do in grade school -- but at the time, I did say I was learning to be the guy who could write the stories I wanted to write.

(And it worked; I decided not to submit anything for publication during that learning period, and since "fixing" things, my resume has been rapidly bulking up, while still leaving me time for a girlfriend, friends, and two demanding cats.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Sweet sexy Jesus, that was a long post. I hope that if it's not useful, it's at least entertaining in some kind of voyeuristic way :)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Tep, that was very cool :) As a frustrated writer myself, that makes a lot of sense. I like the idea of "being that guy" to get into a piece of writing. I guess it comes back to the more basic "self talk does wonders" trick, which is something I need to do more of.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it really does, yeah -- although I always wonder to what extent these things are universal, and if people more extroverted than me need to handle their stuff in different ways. But if you're a writer, you're probably not the extrovert type that I'm thinking of (unless that's just a horrible generalization; but writing is such a solitary activity that I figure most of the people who do it lean that way to begin with).

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

FWIW, yeah I am a rather introverted person, I internalise everything, I'm a shocking daydreamer, and I sometimes have problems coping with social situations, I'm either mortally shy, or over-talkative out of compensation. All this leads back to the "why I drink around friends in the first place" thing too. Its almost as if having to be that "switched on" that people would find me interesting is such an effort, I can't just be like that naturally/easily. And now thinking about this is depressing me!

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)


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