Bertolucci's 1900

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The local arthose cinema is showing the film next Thursday. All the five hours of it. I'd have to skip a mathematician's BBQ in order to see it, and cope with the infamously bad seats of said cinema. Is the film worth the hassle?

― Frühlingsmute (Wintermute), Thursday, 24 April 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

arthose = arthouse...

― Frühlingsmute (Wintermute), Thursday, 24 April 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't like this film at all, and I'm a fan of Bertolucci's early work. It seemed to borrow from Visconti and even Leone epics without finding a pace and tone of its own.

Interesting that this comes up, since I was just thinking recently about how this film has been largely forgotten.

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 24 April 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

If y ou're into full frontal Deniro and Depardieu, then GO GO GO!!! Also, you get to see Sterling Hayden take a piss. It's better than watching Huey Lewis take a piss.

Otherwise, a mathemetician's barbecue sounds more fun.

― Arthur (Arthur), Thursday, 24 April 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh you can also see Burt Lancaster come on to an underage girl and talk about his sagging balls, in what seems like a brutal parody of his part in The Leopard.

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 24 April 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Also I really think Bertolucci was in trouble when the best framing situations he could think of were the Liberation (OK) and "Giuseppe Verdi is dead!" (um).

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 24 April 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

a brutal parody of his part in The Leopard.

I guess it's the BBQ then. I liked The Leopard too much.

― Frühlingsmute (Wintermute), Thursday, 24 April 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Verdi was a very big fucking deal and his last name an important acronym, actually.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 25 April 2003 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the idea of an arthose!

However, I've been to a mathematician's barbeque and those tend to be very fun. The last one I went to ended with extreme drunken badminton at about 3 in the morning!

― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 08:40 (twenty-two years ago)

http://members.aol.com/johnnyradpants/ilxcomix.jpg

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 25 April 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The strangest threads make the most interesting comix! Yay, Chaki!

― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I know Verdi was a big deal, but what was his name an acronym for?

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Vittorio Emanuele Re D'Italia.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

chaki is a rad dood (it's true!)

B-but I thought verdi = vereinte Dienstleistungsgesellschaften...? I'm confused.

― Frühlingsmute (Wintermute), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Comic justifies existence of film (saw the last twenty minutes of it once -- eh, I suppose).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Germany's labor unions are actually full of Italian nationalists. But you knew tha, of course.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't bother with the film, but don't take that to mean that I'm recommending the mathematician's barbecue, I must emphasise.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

It has something to do with the fact that Verdi was a huge leftie. I haven't seen it, but I worked on a book about it. Can't remember much else about it though. Keep the red flag flying, all that. A response to Stalinist brutality and the fact that all commies were tarred with the same brush. Something like that. In another book there's a charming and carefree still from it of a young lady sitting between Depardieu and De Niro and holding their nobs. So really it depends on how generous barbecueing mathematicians are with their sausages. I have to say I would choose the film.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

enjoy my comix

― chaki, Friday, 9 March 2007 05:06 (eighteen years ago)

I like it up until Sterling Hayden's ...er...sitting under a tree scene. Then...blah.

― Capitaine Jay Vee, Friday, 9 March 2007 06:08 (eighteen years ago)

I do remember loving this when I saw it, but I was only about 15 at the time and I don't think I'd ever really seen any epic foreign-language films before, so it could just have been the novelty of it.

― accentmonkey, Friday, 9 March 2007 07:39 (eighteen years ago)

twelve years pass...

Showing this Saturday at the National Gallery of Art. Will I be tortured by full-frontal male nudity on the big screen? Will I wish I knew any mathematicians, whether or not they're having a barbecue this weekend?

― Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Thursday, 20 June 2019 20:39 (six years ago)

Haven’t seen it but the 4K version looks amazing; it appears to be a very different film to the one I’d always imagined..

https://youtu.be/RQNF5XiJT-0

This film really fell off the radar many years back.

― piscesx, Thursday, 20 June 2019 22:08 (six years ago)

I sat through the whole thing (and my rear end is still slightly numb). I wasn't even phased by the nudity and sexuality, probably because of the generous violence and profanity. Attila (obvious naming much?) was especially gruesome. This movie is so do-you-see about Marxism and the violence underlying Fascism that it's probably very easy to dismiss, even if you're not morally allergic to either.

― Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Sunday, 23 June 2019 13:14 (six years ago)

two months pass...

Full 5½ version split into two parts a week apart: yes?

― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 04:19 (six years ago)

― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:48 (six years ago)

I take that this is at a theatre?

― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:51 (six years ago)

yes

― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:52 (six years ago)

Maybe? I generally prefer to watch something like this close together if I can't see it all at once.

When the DVD came out, I watched it over two consecutive afternoons. Seemed to work.

OTOH, big screen, and the film is episodic enough that the week between shouldn't be as big a deal as it could be. The end of the first part is... something.

― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:56 (six years ago)

only two BB movies I've seen are The Conformist (great) and Last Tango (almost as great), all I know about 1900 is that DeNiro came right off it to do The Deer Hunter

― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:51 (six years ago)

I had just read this yesterday during a Taxi Driver wiki scan but De Niro was bouncing back and forth between Italy and NYC, filming 1900 and prepping TD.

My own opinion is that 1900 is pretty bad albeit interesting but I also think Bertolucci is more interesting than he is actually good. I find his films mostly pretty tedious but at least The Conformist looked beautiful. This one is pretty ugly. Which may be the point, the story is very ugly.

― omar little, Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:55 (six years ago)

oooo

eh I'll see how I feel when the day comes

― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 18:07 (six years ago)

two years pass...

Something I would definitely watch:

https://variety.com/2021/tv/global/last-tango-in-paris-making-of-series-1235120987/

I was thinking someone might play Kael, but she figures in after-the-fact. In a Twitter thread about this, someone says "This seems immoral..."

Depicting unpleasant history is now inherently immoral?

(Originally posted this on the only general Bertolucci thread, which exists in the far corners of I Love Film.)

― clemenza, Monday, 29 November 2021 23:23 (four years ago)

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