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Today my aol front page featured a picture of an ostrich with it's head in the sand and a poll asking whether France should be "punished", and we should boycotttheir products. I was horrified to read the poll results and see that most people were anti-French, and belive an "ally" is someone who always does what you tell them to. I hope its just becasue most people who use aol are moronic seniour citizens and chuckleheads from Arkansas woods. I feel like putting a French flag everywhere I see an American one. I am so sick of "American Flag pollution". The other day I was looking out at a nice looking old abandoned pier in the bay and I was disgusted to see old glory ( or shall I say old gory) waving from one of the wood piers. It's a sad time to be an American.

I am sick to Americans looking up to people like this guy http://www.sunspot.net/templates/misc/printstory.jsp?slug=bal%2Dmd%2Edelgaudio24apr24

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Saturday, 26 April 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"I hope its just becasue most people who use aol are moronic seniour citizens and chuckleheads from Arkansas woods."

i think the people who take time to participate in the aol polls belong to an even more rarefied category of dumbassdom.

i get terrified and sickened by the sight of seemingly every suit on tv wearing a goddamn american flag lapel pin. so straight out of '1984', so fascist...

the fact that the 'punish' france thing is actually a matter of serious consideration is just further evidence that the u.s. is being run by a bunch of men who possess the emotional maturity of 4-year-old boys. and the fact that the 'american public' are going along with it & supporting it speaks volumes about how barbaric american society is...

― Dallas Yertle (Dallas Yertle), Saturday, 26 April 2003 10:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think the American public IS just going along with it, but you get a very skewed view of what "public opinion" is from the media (and i don't just mean these lame polls).

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 26 April 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I love polls. I guess I am a chucklehead.

― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Justyn: You apparently are not encountering the same people I am. Lucky man.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 26 April 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Why does France get all the glory? Hey, Russia's treacherous, too! You spent almost half a century hatin' on those blasted commies, and now you won't give 'em the time of the day??? And what about Germany?? Germany is way more evil than those stupid French. Pay attention to us, damnit!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 26 April 2003 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i was wondering if AOL operate as an ISP in France, and whether their adverts are like the British ones...except they get a girl with a silly haircut and a magic cyberdress and instead stick a beret on her head, a sack of onions over her shoulders, call her Chantelle and have her say 'n'est pas child porn avec L'AOL!'

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I would like daft American's everywhere to keep boycotting french products, especially wine. Its keeping the prices down at a time when one of the greatest Bordeaux vintages of all time is coming on stream. (Glugs more wine)

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I would just like to add that my mother is from rural Arkansas and you can all (well, just the ignorant, dehumanizers here) just f*ck off and die, y'hear?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 26 April 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i am now so very proud of having cancelled my AOL account.

and as i said on another thread, i've been making it a point to buy french magazines and newspapers lately (like le monde and le nouvel observateur) and prominently reading them on the subway and the train.

― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

You should invite Mugabe over for dinner, too.

― Stuart (Stuart), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe if Le Pen was running France, would the Mugabe remark be salient.

do you wingnuts ever listen to the fucking stupidity that pops outta yer mouths?

― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

What, did Chirac not threaten to lift sanctions on Zimbabwe if the monster Mugabe wasn't allowed a visit?

You people act like France is the plucky little ally being bullied around by mean old America.

― Stuart (Stuart), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

and france is the only country in the world that has made questionable foreign policy moves ... unlike America, of course. and what mugabe has to do with sanctions on France, or boycotting French products, is beyond me (i.e., if you've got such a bug up yer ass about Mugabe, why not boycott Zimbabwean products or impose sanctions on them instead of France?)

... but i'm not a Republican, so whudda i know?

― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

One must remeber that Chirac is a right wing reactionary knobcheese who was using the mugabe thing in the eternal tussle that is the entente cordiale.

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

knobcheese = righwing bourgeoise nationalist very much like bush himself

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

doubtless Chirac is a jerk. but Dubya and his sycophants aren't pissed at Chirac because of his jerkiness, and dollars to donuts if there hadn't been a war with iraq and had chirac not done what he did wr2 same none of the redneck bozos who are so zealously and gratutously bashing the french wouldn't know Jacques Chirac from Pepe Le Pew.

― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to remove "and die" from my previous post.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

oh true, but for anyone about to laud Chirac. He is a pernicious self interested little fraudster.

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like Chirac either, bit the US is not talking about punishing Jacques Chirac.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i would like to re-add "die" to spencer's last post

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Chirac was just following the anti-war mood in france he is a populist twunt.

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

chirac and bush are the same person
france and america are the same county
there is no difference

they hate each other because they are each other, it is only chance to overly proud nations get chance to express their self hatred. externalization, babyee!

― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

So Chirac is a jerk, his interests are shady, he parties with dictators, and he refused to participate in an effort to hold Saddam to his word or do anything that would have actually threatened Saddam's hold on Iraq. Oh, and his anti-war stance pushed his popularity ratings to their highest peaks. But redneck bozos are ignorant and wrong for boycotting French products? Is that what you're saying?

― Stuart (Stuart), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"Don't hate the country, hate the government."
"Fuck that! Let's dump out all this wine and vandalize stores with even remotely French themes! Also, FREEDOM TOAST."

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Support for the war has risen 30% in France in the past 3 weeks.

Nate: How is hating a government supposed to have any effect on it if you don't actually do anything about it? Would it be wrong for anti-war Europeans to boycott Coke?

― Stuart (Stuart), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

How is hating a government supposed to have any effect on it if you don't actually do anything about it?

You mean like marching and stuff?

Would it be wrong for anti-war Europeans to boycott Coke?

They've been vandalizing McDonalds'. That's actually pretty lame.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I wanna see more freedom kissin'.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Marching didn't stop the war and vandalism is a crime.

― Stuart (Stuart), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

They've been vandalizing McDonalds'. That's actually pretty lame.

Not this time I'm afraid.

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

*sigh*

― hstencil, Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

france and america had different interests when it came to iraq. the methods were the same. the bully boy tactics america used on western europe to get them to support a war not in europeans national interests, were the same tactics france used on eastern europeans to get them to oppose the war. the western europeans didnt budge under american pressure. the eastern europeans didnt budge under french pressure

france and america have different aims, but they are still the same disreputable bullies. opinion of both outside their borders is low, but is also irrelevant because neither care about external opinion.

france=america=twins

― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

as for boycotting. boycott what you like, i wont be boycotting either french or american stuff, just as i wont be boycotting british stuff when my govt does things i disagree with. i'll reserve the right to my opinion though, all the same

― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Gareth is OTM.

― hstencil, Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

all I know is that Pepe Le Pew is one strange cat

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Does anyone else imagine Stuart's posts in the high nasal voice of Eugene Levy's character in A Mighty Wind?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Finally, The People start giving all those corporate special interest lobbies with their donation-strengthened grips on elected officials reason to pay attention, and all of a sudden it's petty and ignorant.

― Stuart (Stuart), Saturday, 26 April 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

it wont last 5 minutes anyway, this will only fly if good for economy, not for emotional reasons, business wont stand for it otherwise. also, if this was serious, would happen through bumping up tariffs on french imports rather than boycotts?

boycotts dont work anyway, just ask nestle

― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 26 April 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

go Cards!

― bnw (bnw), Sunday, 27 April 2003 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

It's Erin Moran's husband!

― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 27 April 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/sprj.irq.fries/

― man, Sunday, 27 April 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

france is irrelevant.

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 27 April 2003 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry about that Arkansas remark, I'm sure they're fine folk. Next time I'll pick on Oregon. I am not even really thinking that much about if what France did was "right", I am mostly annoyed that it has become a popular thing amongst many americans who use aol to believe that the U.S. is always right. I mean , would they approve if Bush ordered all five year old girls to be re-named " Fumepot" ?

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Sunday, 27 April 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry about that Arkansas remark

sorry about the f*ck off and die thing, I'm not a morning person. It's true, there are a bunch of morans there, but there are great people too, just like anywhere else.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 27 April 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

cept for France harhar!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 27 April 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i refuse to boycott Miss Kittin and the Hacker!

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 27 April 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

france is irrelevant.

how do you mean keith? i think french foreign policy affects a number of countries very much, just as american foreign policy affects many countries, france certainly likes to throw its weight around outside of borders also, wouldnt you say? and for the people in those countries (cote d'ivoire etc), france is pretty relevant whether they like it or not?

or do you mean it is irrelevant in relation to america, and america foreighn policy? in that case i would agree with you, france is pretty much like britain in that respect, irrelevant, france is the biting little dog that america flicks off irritatedly, britain is the doting puppy that trails along behind, but neither country is relevant in the slightest, in common with ust about every other country. i mean, finland/cameroon, hardly relevant are they????

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

the french should get out more often.

― hstencil, Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

best yet stence!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:49 (twenty-two years ago)

All of Europe is irrelevant. Our ancestors left that bog for a better life. They weren't wrong.

― blue djinn, Sunday, 27 April 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I like how Rumsfeld was like " Oh, they're just old europe." I mean, does that man realise he is on TV when he says these things?

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 28 April 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

More than that, he imagines himself to be hilarious.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 28 April 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Czeching in on Democracy

[LETTER]

April 15, 2003

President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20500

President Bush:

Twenty-one years ago I lived in communist Czechoslovakia. In order to hear news rather than propaganda and lies, I used to listen to Voice of America secretly in the middle of night. I am U.S. citizen now and very proud of it. And I am horrified to see what is happening to this great country under your leadership. In order to hear news, instead of propaganda and misinformation, I listen to independent radio every day and wonder how long will it take before I will have to do it secretly in the middle of night again. Isn't it ironic Mr. President, that I am in America listening to Voice of America?

In Czechoslovakia as I remember it, we had freedom of speech, but life got very complicated after the speech. So whenever I hear the slogan: "Who is not with us is against us," that has become so popular in the last few months, it gives me shivers. It was one of the most frequently used slogans of the communist government. The implied and feared continuation of this quote was, "We will deal with him /her/ accordingly."

With the adoption of so-called "Patriot Act" legislation that is supposed to protect us, and now the impending introduction of "Patriot Act II," I see our civil liberties beginning to slip away. Please Mr. President, prove my fears unfounded! Because this too reminds me of the past. Those minefields and high-voltage fences were also there for our protection from foreign enemies. I had my doubts then, just as I do now.

Mr. President, I appreciate and admire your religious commitment, but please keep it to yourself. Religion has great potential to turn a decent human being into a better one. But results from a fanaticism and the misuse of it are still too fresh in our memories. I might be wrong, but I really think Christian fanatics are just as dangerous as Islamic ones.

Mr. President, please don't act like we are the last generation of humans on Earth and you have God-given right to destroy her. I don't have my own children, but my primary concern and goal of my life is to leave this planet livable for yours!

Sincerely,

Jarmila Temelova
Eureka, CA 95503

P.S.: Now that the war in Iraq is almost over, please make sure history will not be repeated. You see, a strange thing happens to textbooks when one country dominates another.

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 28 April 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

'More than that, he imagines himself to be hilarious'

one of the u.s. newsweeklies a while back made mention of his, uh, 'sex appeal'

― Dallas Yertle (Dallas Yertle), Monday, 28 April 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

― dyson (dyson), Monday, 28 April 2003 06:24 (twenty-two years ago)

All you people accusing America of becoming an oppressive police state sure are comfortable talking about it.

― Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 28 April 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

that's because i live in canada.

― dyson (dyson), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

that's because i live in england.

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

that's because I don't give a fuck.

― hstencil, Monday, 28 April 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually overheard a coworker say earlier today "The French are untrustworthyable; what have they ever done for us?" BLARGH!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, my sister has a Freedom Fiancee! Imagine having to deal with that family crisis!

(ha ha, j/k. Well, she does have one, but you know what I mean)

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate this whole "boycott France = replace 'French' with 'Freedom'" thing, but shit "freedom kissing" sounds ROWR. I'm so doing that tonight!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Freedom Kissing in the USA!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't get why France is the opposite of freedom. Before, were we all condoning slavery by having French toast?

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

yes

― webber (webber), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

this is true

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

If it wasn't for the french all you americans would be drinking tea at 4:30 EVERY day.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

you're thinking of the poles

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I should take up having tea. Like in the Ruttles.

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm drinking tea right now! (but it's only 2:13 pm, D'oh!)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

If it wasn't for the Americans I wouild be waering moccasins EVERYDAY! Wait, I do wear moccasions. Or, are they simply sneakers?

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

ten months pass...

timely revival

― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 6 March 2004 07:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Bashing the french is a venerable and worthy occupation. When one bakes bread, one first allows the dough to rise, then one beats it down. When it rises again, the dough is finer. Like the French. Bashing them isn't going to change their essential nature. They need to be beaten down every few years to allow the culture to rise in a finer form. And besides, you wouldn't want a big wad of yeasty bread dough fighting next to you anyway.

― Skottie, Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

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