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Anyone know of an active forum similar to this one for film and (even better) filmmakers? All of the forums I found on a google search were dead.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 28 April 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I would like to know myself. I'm kind of working on something like that right now, actually.

― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 28 April 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

you can always make one using ilxor

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 April 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

This is an idea.

by the way miloauckerman--there are lots of technically-oriented forums out there. if you're a final cut pro user for instance there are tons of user groups with q&a type forums that are incredibly helpful. try the LA one-- www.lafcpug.org --it's very good.

― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 28 April 2003 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll take a look at those, tech issues are the biggest for me. I'm a complete novice now, currently a still photographer getting fed up with a lot of the fine art wankery (I'm a white male from a blue-collar background - I don't have 'identity issues' to work out on film *twitch*), and want to try working with film/video.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 28 April 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Though I'm not looking to completely change over - more like an outlet.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 28 April 2003 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

are you looking to work in DV or film?

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm leaning toward DV. Higher startup costs, lower in the long run. I think I could afford a GL1 sometime toward the end of the year, if I sold some stuff and worked a bit of overtime. I've already got a half-decent Mac (933 G4) to edit on. I know the quality and look isn't as good as film - but at $8/hr of raw footage vs $150-200 for ten minutes of 16mm, I think I can learn a lot more without going (even) broke(r).

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 28 April 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(until I can afford my own, I can check out basic mini-DV cameras from school)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 28 April 2003 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm in a pickle right now b/c i've worked in both dv (thanks to classes) and 8mm. i can't afford to purchase and process 8mm reels right now, and i don't have the money to buy the hardware necessary to use dv outside of a class context. film is an extraordinary expensive hobby and though dv comes with this pretense of being more egalitarian (and it is if you want to make a feature, say) it still requires a lot of capital at the outset. i'm also still wary of dv because only a few people seem to really know what to do with it; use its limitations and peculiarities to your advantage (rohmer's recent film was exemplary in this respect) instead of just shooting as if you were using 16mm or 35mm.

right now i can't even afford to do much still photography b/c of the cost of using a darkroom.

the school where i work has some dv classes for continuing students, but not many--and all of them use professional dv--these huge 30 lb cameras that come in an even heavier case. nothing you can take on the trains. so that didn't prove too useful, although it was fun as far as it went. at this point i'll either need to get a "better" job to finance a hobby or just go to film school, but at the moment i'm not prepared to do either.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)

also i think the editing/image manipulation possibilities that come w/dv are a big crutch. in short it opens up too many possibilities, too much opportunity for tinkering and losing sight of the big picture. it takes more of a certain kind of self-discipline to get anything done w/dv.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

When you say professional DV--you mean DVCAM or something? What kind of cameras are they using?

I was a little wary of DV at first but now I love love love it. And one of the things I love about it is that people are still figuring out what to do with it, which I find makes it extremely fun to learn, especially if you're teaching yourself as I have over the last few years.

Love the super-8 as well; actually I love combining the two (shooting on 8 & transferring it to DV myself (often badly)).

I'm also enthusiastic 'cuz I just got something I've wanted for a couple years now, a DV deck.

― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 28 April 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I would be happy to contribute to an ILX thing along these lines. I work as an editor (FCP/Media 100), and make short films off my own back. I borrow 16mm and have 8mm and DV cams of my own. The only sites I know are British, but seeing as I will be living in the states from June, it would be great to get some help on this/recommendations.

For the record, I'm unconvinced about DV.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The only US sites I know are Mandy and Filmmaker.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

you can always make one using ilxor

How, Jess? I have no idea of how to do this, but I'd def volunteer to try and set something up. Let me know what you think, people.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

If you're going to drop for a camera you might as well go for the Panasonic DVX 100. It's 24p (gives roughly the same effect as HD) and tops out at around 3 grand USD. I don't care much for it, but it's growing on me slowly. DV is now pretty much low-end again, due to the push for HD, and the 24p gives you proper frame matchback iffin you should ever be able to do a blow up to 35.

― jm (jtm), Monday, 28 April 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't care much for it, but it's growing on me
slowly

I'll buy it off ya, Jimmy!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see why this is an issue, especially when film can be digitized and edited the same way these days.

It is an enormously expensive endeavor, and I say so having made/shot/edited both DV and Super-8 films, the best thing about the latter being that the process is primarily similar in regards to 16mm. I would definitely be in if an I Love Philm phorum was birthed around here somewhere.

As to the question of the worthiness of film school (the, current ahem, THESIS QUESTION OF MY LIFE)....gee, if you can learn things on your own through renting equipment from your local filmmaker society/junior art college and mustering motivation and initiative within yourself, do you really think paying "a few" grand every semester will really make any difference ? A degree goes how far, in this field ? The fact that you network and get to meet a lot o' people interested in doing the same thing you're into, contacts upon which you may have to rely on for your future career, does go a very very long way; however, the key is self-education, whether one is inside or outside of school.

― Vic, Monday, 28 April 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Agreed, Vic. I'm still paying off film school. I've heard all the jokes, but it got me a job (for a while! :P ) and I made a decent enough graduation film. All my equipment was borrowed from school, my crew were all classmates (and talented), I got film + processing at a discount, and I got all my locations cheap/free cos I was a student. You take from it what you can.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Re;a film board. I'll have a look at ILXOR when I get home tonight. If there are enough takers, we should definitely get something started.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordic that is terrific! You'll have to screen it at some future ILF (haha so now i'm naming it? I like "philm" so would it be ILP? ) FAP!! Its just that it should be remembered that not everyone who applies to and gets in film school gets a director's credit, or even a graduation film credit, to their name. It's expectedly uber-competitive, of course, but the worst part is that you usually have to compete with the same people who you rely on as "friends." One of my friends who wanted to be the director on an undergrad thesis film wound up being a DP instead, and had to live with the fact that one of our mutual friends wound up getting the very job he wanted. .All the Hollywoody politics get intensified in college! Are you working in a non-film job now ?

― Vic, Monday, 28 April 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, sadly. Worked as an editor (advertising and a bit of tv) for a while. :( I am writing/shooting a little short with an art-skool friend on evenings/weekends at the moment. Should be finished next month. :)

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll buy it off ya, Jimmy!

If I had one I wouldn't be bitching about it as much. Just used it...

― jm (jtm), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

:( but hey, Nordic, at least you got work! I have a new G4 but still have to burn FCP on it from a friend; i only have Avid experience, though.

If you were in the SoCal area, i would def volunteer to help you with your short!

― Vic, Monday, 28 April 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Neat. I would like a film board. I'm currently in film school. There's an interesting Listserv I subscribe to for experimental filmmakers called FRAMEWORKS. You can use it to gleam technical info as well as theoretical discourse and shit. I recommend it to y'all.

― theodore fogelsanger, Monday, 28 April 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

gleaming the newb

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

tracer, wtf??

Vic - I'm in the UK, but I'll be in the NoCal (can you call it that? see? I'm DOWN) area from June/July. Still hustlin'. :P

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordic this is the first time I've seen someone use the verb "to gleam" (apart from title of said movie my post was aping) and some of the posters here are unfamiliar to my eyes so you've got the recipe for a pointless pun there I guess. No intimations intended!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see why this is an issue, especially when film can be digitized and edited the same way these days.

I suppose then that this is a reservation of mine about online editing, esp. with the latest editing software that incorporates image manipulation capabilities.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

No intimations intended!

None taken. Damn, I used to love that movie.

amateurist, do you cut on a flatbed? Just curious.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordicskillz, yes, you can use NoCal, and even though people say you can't, go ahead and use 'Frisco'.

Also, I was shocked by the DV quality in 24 Hour Party People. I didn't even realize it wasn't film.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I learned to cut on a flatbed, but agreed that it's increasinglty impracticable (if that's what you're implying). The advantages of online editing are obvious, but I tend to get sidetracked by the array of options available. You can also see the impact of online editing in the "frame-fucking" increasingly evident in music videos and Hollywood movies, whether you think that's a good or bad thing or neither.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to work in the Dirty Vicar

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Amateurist - a solution= iMovie, video editing without a wealth of options! No, I really liked linear editing, but I'm clumsy and I scratch my film.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

A very shaky beta-version of I Love Film, then. Do drop in and make it more than the sound of one geek furiously masturbating. thanks.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Hurray for that.

― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Indeed. I'm strugglin' over there, though! :}

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

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