Anyone ever see the video of the lecturer who has a fascinating interpretation of the Hebrew alphabet?

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The forms are 2-dimensional representations of 3-dimensional shapes which interlock and are "the creation that made creation". No joke, he had them all made out of copper and was interlocking them. Book of Genesis: first few letters interlocked to make a heart-shaped closed form which at once looked like both an apple and a heart. Weird shit. I'm looking to buy it to show some people, but all I know is that he was a travelling lecturer at colleges and it was taped by, basically, the AV department somewhere. I think he was a professor from MIT or Harvard. He was young-ish and seemed to be blown away by the implications himself.

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 28 April 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The problem with reading too much into something like that is that Jewish/Hebrew religion and mysticism have always been so focused on the alphabet and language that, while the above may be true, it may also be deliberate. Letter shapes aren't arbitrary, after all, even once they reach the state where they've been abstracted away from "ox-head" and "man with a jar."

So he could be entirely correct, but it wouldn't necessarily mean much beyond "the Hebrew alphabet was shaped with this in mind."

(Emet, or truth, is formed from the first, middle, and last letters of the alphabet, and so sort of summarizes the alphabet and stands for both the Torah and creation -- but that's less likely a linguistic coincidence than it is an artifact of the language being arranged to make this so, or the word developing its meaning to reflect those nuances.)

Not to mention the fact that it's all a matter of which forms of the letters you use, since as with other written languages, written Hebrew developed and changed over time, and there is no surviving text of Genesis from the time when it was written (regardless of when you choose to believe it was written).

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 28 April 2003 05:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Let me explain it to you the best I can. It was very weird and seemed downright "damn, that's truth!":

You know how those Hebrew letter forms go from thick to thin? Imagine each letter was made from a 4-inch wide flat piece of copper. So, in order to shape a piece of copper so that it would resemble the thicks and thins of Hebrew letter forms (you know how they appear to be done with a calligraphy pen?), you would have to bend the form so that you are looking at the SIDE of the copper at the points where the letterforms become THIN and shape it so that the widest point is facing the audienece where the letterfroms become fat. Do you get that? He then took these copper sculptures, which were easily identifiable and stuck them together like some Hellraiser puzzle.

It was shocking to see them fit perfectly together! It really was.

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 28 April 2003 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

BTW, if memory serves, the coolest part was that the entire alphabet fit together as a perfect circle!

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 28 April 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm definitely curious about the lecture -- but I'm going to have to wait till this sleeping pill wears off to go at this properly and look around and see what I can find out about it.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 28 April 2003 06:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you, Tep. I've been looking for information about it everywhere and am really coming up against a brick wall. I'm thinking that's it's more annoying that I was lucky enough to see it, rather than "shit, I was lucky to see that!" because it was over 6 years ago and I sort of thought it was something I could rediscover later when I had the time. Searching it on the net has really turned up empty as hell for me, so the more people we get on this subject (especially people like you all who seem to know everything or else at least be able to find it online) will be a great help!

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 28 April 2003 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

It's more "able to find it" than "know everything," believe me :) If it was six years ago, there should be articles and further investigation and things like that that've happened, and I'd like to read those -- I'll see what I can turn up.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 28 April 2003 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks again, man. I hope other people find this interesting enough to go scouting. I get as far as Google and then I really don't have a lot of resources, so I might just be weak in this area. Please let me know where you find this information!

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 28 April 2003 06:37 (twenty-two years ago)

wow im really interested in this too i will try to find something!!

st (simon_tr), Monday, 28 April 2003 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

This sounds more like a magic trick than proof of anything. With good imagination, anything can be twisted to represent some supposedly higher truth. Ever seen the movie "Pi"?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 April 2003 06:49 (twenty-two years ago)

yes of course how boring who cares if its just 'imagination' then

st (simon_tr), Monday, 28 April 2003 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe we can ask umberto eco if he knows this guy

st (simon_tr), Monday, 28 April 2003 06:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, if you just like a good magic show, there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that there are some people (and I'm sure no one here is one of them) who think too highly of such camera tricks. Erich von Däniken to thread!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 April 2003 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man, von Daniken. Yeah, that's why I want to read more, to see what his conclusions were from this, how important he thought it was, and how other people responded.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 28 April 2003 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Bible code variant / Art Bellian in all regards

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Monday, 28 April 2003 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man, von Daniken. Yeah, that's why I want to read more, to see what his conclusions were from this

He'd probably just say it was aliens who gave Jews the Torah.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 April 2003 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, whoops, I didn't mean von Daniken's conclusions :) I meant the lecturer.

Von Daniken's conclusions ... that guy should have a show, and people from the audience can just ask questions, and he can rant about the answer for awhile ("aliens steal socks from your dryer!"), and David Cross will narrate and mock him.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 28 April 2003 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm. I wonder if it was this guy Dan Winter, who is being hunted by the US gov't right now. It seems possible, since this guy is being sued for copyright infringement and plagiarism over some guy named Mr. Tenan, who created some sculptures called the "flame alphabet" (?)
More about this plagiarism: http://www.danwinter.com/depoexcerpts.html

His website has been taken over and the people who are now posting messgaes there say he is like a car salesman who is selling cars with no engines. His "secret keys" are lies and his audience is "too stupid to know the difference": http://www.danwinter.com/index.html

Then I found this, which is tiny print and I didn't read it all, but appears these are fans of Dan Winter who think this is a witch hunt to shut him up (why this would be necessary is unclear): http://poetpiet.tripod.com/2002/DanWinter.htm

I also found Dan Winter's first book in PDF format, since now all his videos and books are illegal to sell:
"Sacred Geometry, Alphabet of The Heart" http://www.soulinvitation.com/dnaring/FIRSTBK.PDF

Seems prety odd that deciding to create 3d letter forms of the Hebrew alphabet would somehow be copyright infringement becuase some sculptor has beat you to it. Winters apparantly lost his case because he had not given Mr. Tenan credit for the 3d letter forms.

That seems absurd.

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 28 April 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Overview of this stuff, whatever it is. Also includes ramblings into the Lord of the Rings and Pi, the movie!

http://spirals.eternite.com/

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 28 April 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there a mathematician in the house? From http://spirals.eternite.com/ at bottom of page-ish:

BELOW EXAMPLE OF U.S. LAW ENFORCEMENT EQUALS IN
ABSURDITY THE CLAIM OF A HOUSEWIFE WHO SUED THE
MANUFACTURER BECAUSE HER PUPPY DOG DIED IN THE
WASHING MACHINE...

... a message in defence of Science...

Dear all,

everytime that Stan says, that Dan's equations are a fraud, he
makes it strong with court testimonies. Dan's equation is NOT
a fraud, it is a pure interprojection of excuisitely straightforward
equations. This is what we understand from the message on Ted
Small's website. As long as people refuse to look at the actual
mathematic contents, rather than the "social" form of what's the
issue, either because of dogmatism or simply for lacking brains,
Stan's false allegations will never be dismantled. Stan's claim is
just as absurd as making the number Pi (3.141) out of clay, asking
copyright on it and sueing every scientist who says it is a really a
mathematical formula. If a mouse wins in court, that does not make
him an elephant. And, if lawsmen do not understand mathematics,
that does not mean that the rest of society does not understand it
either. Unfortunately, Dan himself may have be lacking the time
and the exact detailed mathematical presentation to make his case
sound under legal pressure. But the truth is simple, like every truth.

This is what Stan did not discover himself, and which he now apparently
wants to hide for the world, helped by lawsman who do understand
law because they studied it, but do not understand mathematics simply
because they did NOT study it.

So NOW follows the never-before published (also not by Dan)
MATHEMATICAL FORMULA FOR PRODUCING A 3D FORM THAT
HAPPENS TO LOOKS VERY SIMILAR E.G. TO HEBREW LETTER
FORMS. THIS IS A CREATION OF NATURE, NOT A CREATION OF
DAN WINTER...

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 28 April 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)


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