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was just reading about the book but beautiful by geoff dyer-it sounds quite interesting
i've heard the name but don't really know anything about him,whats he like?
anything thats particularly good or bad by him?
c/d,s/d,etcetc

robin (robin), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

He can't be better than John Dyer.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 30 April 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'm a GRAVEROBBER in Sacramento Opera's Faust!!"

the exclamations are his

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I've only read two things by him: 'Out of Sheer Rage,' which was rather good, and 'But Beautiful,' which is absolutely tremendous. I'm on my third copy of it. If it sounds interesting to you, I can't imagine you'll regret purchasing it.

charley, Wednesday, 30 April 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and there's a decent Salon interview with him here:
http://www.salon.com/books/int/2003/02/24/dyer/index_np.html

charley, Wednesday, 30 April 2003 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought 'but beautiful' was inexcusably awful and trite, and generally reduced jazz musicians to caricatures of themselves. but i hate fun so there

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

ditto dave m., i'm afraid

(haha i gave it a bad review in wire years ago and dyer still hates me)

(i compared the book unfavourably to a cure song, so poss.he is justified!!)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The new book, 'Yoga for people who can't be bothered to do it', may be a test case. It's very endearing and thoughtful and insightful - in much the same way as 'Out of Sheer Rage'... but as a record of "the twilight of [his] psychedelic years" it has a tendency to hippydippiness. It concludes with a Coleridgean montage of a Buddhist temple and the Burning Man Festival, and I guess how seriously you take those things is going to inform how seriously you find yourself able to take Dyer. Even if you don't buy his premises completely, there is still much to enjoy: meditations on antiquity and the Detroit ruins, an exploration of Amsterdam under the influence of psylocibin, intelligent stuff on Auden, O'Hara, F and Rilke.

For what it's worth, I am a great fan of 'Out of Sheer Rage', 'Paris Trance' and the Pinefox's essay on 'The Colour of Memory'. I also liked 'But Beautiful', but I know nothing of Jazz.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i think i read that bit about detroit yesterday,i linked to it on mike taylor's thread about him going to new york,it was published in the guardian
i liked that,anyway

robin (robin), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe I should avoid 'Yoga', since the summoning-the-spirit-of-Bud-Powell section of 'But Beautiful' was a little much for me. the ppl in the seminar where i read it loved the book, though, so maybe my jazz purism is kept secret even from myself.

what's 'Out Of Sheer Rage' like?

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't agree at all with pans of But Beautiful, a lovely book, much more nuanced than you-all give it credit for (and he gave me a bad review some years back, and I still say this!).

Uncle (Methuselah), Thursday, 1 May 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

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bosko, Monday, 14 June 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

twelve years pass...

just been informed that dyer believes keith jarrett is the greatest living musician lol

methuselah's always-valuable opinion notwithstanding i still think GD is a twerp

mark s, Friday, 19 August 2016 11:42 (nine years ago)

But Beautiful is a fantastic book and Jarrett, although maybe not the greatest living musician, is certainly one of them.

heaven parker (anagram), Friday, 19 August 2016 11:53 (nine years ago)

maybe i shd reread -- not done so since it came out -- but i am unpersuaded despite these encomia

mark s, Friday, 19 August 2016 11:55 (nine years ago)

co-signing. everything i've read by dyer (articles & reviews) is formless, blindly self-involved, boring. first encountered him years back in but beautiful which i tossed aside after a few chapters. i was like "don't project your dopey fantasies onto these great musicians" but of course that's totally unfair.

indie fresh (m coleman), Friday, 19 August 2016 11:58 (nine years ago)

A little while ago, somewhere on ILX, xxyzzz linked to a pretty witless Dyer review where he slagged off free-era Coltrane and yes, bigged up Jarrett

GD's book on Tarkovsky's Stalker is mostly trash - in general, his film writing seems especially poor

Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Friday, 19 August 2016 12:01 (nine years ago)

in addition i fear he's the p bog to john berger's welles :|

mark s, Friday, 19 August 2016 12:04 (nine years ago)

reconstructing the roots of my dislike at the time, BB
(a) reminded me too strongly of beat-generation portraits of jazzmen (inc.my beloved pynchon's mclintock sphere -- tho TP grew out of this habit via baraka and reed, and
(b) chimed too well with too much mid-80s UK-crit cliché-sanctification of soul and jazz (ie the sensibility seemed not at all far from rattle & hum's ANGEL OF HARLEM… )

BB and R&H both 1988, not sure which came first tho: this kind of stuff was a serious foe&nuisance in those days, as a way to utterly mis-see black music of some decades' standing (hence me veering sharply off down the black science fiction route not long after this, as sign-posted of course by greg tate)

happy to cede my allergy in hindsight may be overstated -- it's not as if "afrofuturism" hasn't now become its own dreary cliche (not really my fault, let alone greg's)

mark s, Friday, 19 August 2016 12:37 (nine years ago)

six years pass...

Think I knew the answer before opening this thread--what does ILX think of Geoff Dyer?--but I found his Stalker book interesting when I read it a couple of years ago (felt like we had a similar relationship to the film), and I just finished The Last Days of Roger Federer and liked that, finding it moving at times. I like how he roams all over the place. Someone I play badminton and tennis with noticed the book the other day and asked to borrow it when I finished; "Sure," but I think she's going to get a lot less Roger Federer than she's hoping for.

clemenza, Friday, 10 March 2023 20:44 (three years ago)


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