X Men 2's ties to history/religion

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Is it just me or were there A LOT of connections. I mean, some obvious ones were Dr. Xavior representing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. w/ his peaceful approach to humans, and Mageneto representing Malcolm X with his more violent approach. Then there was the fact that somebody actually said, "The mutant problem," which was an obvious reference to "The Jewish problem."

There was of course, when Stryker (who rocked, by the way. I mean, granted, he stole his name from a lame Mortal Kombat character, but he was in 'Nam!) rounded up the mutant children and put them in a cell (read: camp)

Then there also some subtler stuff that maybe only I picked up on. Like where Jene Grey used her powers to part a giant mass of oncoming water, and died in the proccess, and the next scene was of Night Crawler holding a cross and praying. That HAD to represent something.

Anybody else notice anything?

David Allen, Sunday, 4 May 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"The mutant problem," which was an obvious reference to "The Jewish problem."

Or "The homosexual problem" or "The negro problem"? Or "The [insert minority here] problem"?
I always thought Xmen had themes about intolerance in general, not any specific intolerance.

webber (webber), Sunday, 4 May 2003 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, Ive actually heard "The Jewish problem" used, many, many times, in racist peraphanalia, but you're probbably right.

David Allen, Sunday, 4 May 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, also, on a somewhat unrelated note, there was one part in the movie, where Mystique really wants to have sex with Wolverine, so she gets on top and starts changing shapes and saying he can choose whatever he wants. And later in the movie she fights him by turning into him. Then I thought to myself, "Hey, Wolverine shouldve asked her to turn into Wolverine form when he had sex with her."

David Allen, Sunday, 4 May 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The theme of the X-Men comic book, unless I misunderstood it, was otherness in general: "alienation," to use a word contemporaneously popular with the X-Men's glory days ca. 1978-80. The X-Men are all ostracized persons...in some ways, they're good analogues for people who are only ostracized by virtue of their innner states (i.e., there are some X-Men who don't look like mutants...BUT THEY ARE). I'm not a Buffy watcher but I wonder whether lots of the issues broaches by Her Buffness aren't things that cropped up in that first flush of "deep" X-Men multi-issue runs, especially the series that ended with Magneto imprisioning them in these bitchin'-ass you-can't-use-your-mutant-powers suits and rendering them infants. I forget which X-Man it was that manages through some very subtle technique to free them from their shackles, but I remember it was one of the women.

That was unfocused, but it doesn't matter, because really the X-Men aren't a patch on the Inhumans. I am always harping on this when the subject of comics comes up but the Inhumans, Man-Thing, and Ghost Rider all had the X-Men beat on the I'm-on-this-earth-but-I'm-not-of-it schtick.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 4 May 2003 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah the Inhumans weren't really very cool though, I mean those costumes while certainly er, distinctive, didn't have anything on the X aesthetic. Ghost Rider is totally fucking rock and roll, which is a problem for sales because the kind of people who would get really into Ghost Rider don't read comic books (or didn't used to). Man-Thing. Yeah John whatever. Silver Surfer wins.

Millar (Millar), Sunday, 4 May 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

the film has one of the funniest coming out scenes, made funnier by mutants.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 4 May 2003 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't the general consensus that it was a gloss on identity politics as a whole? (Plus, on an individual level, what John said?)

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 4 May 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)


my review:

Adolescence, race, queer issues, military conspiracy, the nature of faith in a confusing world, the nature of identity as isolationist versus assimalationist, martyrdom, the Oedipus conflict, superheros as americas defense, the uses and abuses of the psychiatric system-written like that the new X Men movie does not sound like the junk food rush expected of a summer actioner.
This is selling Singer short though, he deals with all of those issues with a consummate grace, Professor Francis Xavier runs his residence as a way to bring children into their own talents and gifts. The chief villain a William Stryker, talks like Strom Thurmond used to talk about african americans, and how Rick Sanatorum talks about homosexuals. Iceman, a teenage mutant, is forced to admit this to his parents under extenuating circumstances in a scene lit and written like a pitch perfect parody of coming out, most of the third act in the plot takes place in an abandoned army research facility in Northern Alaska. Nightcrawler, is seen praying the rosary when confused, isolates himself in a church, goes through a steel wall thanks to the lords prayer and comforts everyone at the end with the King James translation of the twenty-third psalm. Pyro, a close friend of Iceman, is frustrated by the non violent resistance of the X Men and joins Magneto who hates humanity and wished to destroy it, at the end Jean Grey dies so they can leave Alaska, Wolverine, who has the subplot about finding who he is ending up with him as the son of Stryker. In admist of all of this their is the involvement of the X Men and Magnetos followers with the president.
In the midst of these plots, subplots, allegorical readings, myth founding and laying down history for the rest of the franchises, their are comic moments (when Iceman tells his mother he is a mutant, she replies ""Haven't you tried just...not being a mutant?"), product placements (Wolverine drinks Dr Pepper), action sequences choreographed with a hong kong grace (A woman is found to be the other person with adamite claws, violence ensues)
The movie is also directed with great beauty, art direction that can show the huge variety of emotions needed. A damn crumbles catastrophically, cops approach an upper middle class home, black op soldiers raid a school and terrify children, a boy and a girl fall in love over lunch, a massive and complicated computer lets Professor X see all of humanity, an industrial research lab is built subterraneanly- all of these things are drastically different, and it takes a great director to shoot all of them with similar care and tender.
This is a movie for the deep thinkers and the shallow drinkers, and it works on multiple readings, it was in many ways a painful work, and deeply honest. That honesty is told with a visual style that is not sugar coating for bitter medicine, but integral to the text. Along with Ang Lee directing the Incredible Hulk, and the zen-messiah kung fu of the Matrix, this may be the begining of a new kind of action film, one that considers the implications of its characters, and something beyond wham-bam explosions. This, I'm looking forward to.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 4 May 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree...shame the script was a little lax tho (Storm 'Where's Wolverine?'; Jean '....gone!' being just one example of a little too much 'show AND tell' which could've been handled/edited better i think) - i don't expect the Matrix Reloaded script to be particularly better either judging by the trailers...altho the trailer for Matrix Reloaded is very probably the best i have ever seen.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 4 May 2003 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Answering the very first questions, I think the King/X thing is a projection - when Jack Kirby created the X-Men and set Magneto up in moral opposition to them it was 1963, 1964, and I don't think that was in his mind at all. The Jewish connections certainly were - Kirby was himself Jewish. There are no shortage of great Kirby villains who just want to get rich or take over the world, but most of the best have rather more complex drives and motivations, and Magneto is one of the top examples of that. While they've been much more explicit in the last twenty years, often very clumsily so, all of these themes were firmly put in place way back in the sixties.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 4 May 2003 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

while we're busy highlighting obvious political parallels, I watched the first x-men film again the other day and it don't take much abstract thought to tie senator kelly's "i hold in my hand a list of known mutants" (or something very similar) to mccarthyism.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 4 May 2003 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Aren't there obvious 9/11 parallels? An act of terrorism aimed at the president leading to the cessation of civil liberties for a portion of the population...

(i realise that the structure and story are the same as in the comic, but I could'nt help seeing this)

bert (bert), Sunday, 4 May 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

John I am a Buffyista, and you're spot on. Actually, I think that specific point may have been made in Ned's "Why don't I like Buffy?" thread.

I'm just wondering if they're going to make Colossus into a commie in X3.

J (Jay), Sunday, 4 May 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Man-Thing. Yeah John whatever. Silver Surfer wins.

Oh come on man. Man-Thing's empathy attracts him to people feeling fear, but when he touches them, they burn? Man-Thing was actually the first case of me finding something that I'd rejected & ridiculed at 12 and seeing it in a whole new light (i.e. as bitchin' and deep) at 14.

Silver Surfer design-wise will not be denied, but I think he's always been overrated as a character.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 4 May 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I always thought Man-Thing was a ninth rate character who was briefly written brilliantly (Gerber) rather than an interesting character in his own right.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 4 May 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

anthony easton - I really love your review, but I must say, the new Hulk movie looks awful. It may be well writen, but the CG is definitely the worst I've seen in years.

David Allen, Sunday, 4 May 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)


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