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mark williams vs ken doherty: 11-5 overnight.

so i decide to go and watch some improv on this wonderful may bank holiday afternoon and miss the third session. i come back and its 12-12!!!! (damn can't believe i didn't tape it).

talk abt it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 5 May 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i got sucked in too, switched on to see williams polish him off but no! ugly ken is fucking him up, forcing sloppy errors etc, classic stuff

dud is the commentators trying to attribute doherty with the "man utd influence"

is that the conway hall thing you went to?

Chip Morningstar (bob), Monday, 5 May 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there anyone in the county cheering Mark Williams on? I can't think of a less appealing sportsman. And what's with the doublechin he's developing? Is he on the Stephen Lee diet or something?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 5 May 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i find snooker strangely nice to watch on TV when there's nothing else on...i am such an old man its a little scary

stevem (blueski), Monday, 5 May 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

nah, steve, when you start watching bowls, that's when you'll feel old!

jel -- (jel), Monday, 5 May 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

come on Ken!

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I got really sucked into a couple of games earlier this week. It's the same with darts and bowls. Give me an unathletic game for two hours and I'll watch it forever.

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Come on Ken! F'ing Mark Williams: "oh, he's a character". I swear if Steve Davis talks about 'characters' one more time, Hazel Irvine about Man Utd's influence on Ken or (f'ing) SPORTS PSYCHOLOGY or John Parrot BREATHES once more. I swear!!!

COME ON KEN!

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Tha guy who has been talking to Steve (Davis) and Ken (as a panel) about SPORTS PSYCHOLOGY (ie body language etc) is REALLY annoying (like me).

I just asked my li'l bro why he keeps saying "oooh, Ken's missed... come on Mark..." - apparently, he is "bamming me up". Fair do's.

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

< /mucker>

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

What happened to the Sunday Night Final Climax? That was an INSTITUTION.

Starry (Cozen), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

nothing must be allowed to run over 24...they actually cancelled 24 for one week because of the fucking golf a month or so ago, that was bad enough

stevem (blueski), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

What happened to the Sunday Night Final Climax? That was an INSTITUTION.

Surely it's finished on a May Day BH Monday for ages?

Cor, 17-16... must watch exciting finish in bed. (Last year Pam fell asleep midway through 35th frame...)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

just finished. mark 18-16

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

shame, feel sorry for Ken, but Williams seems a funny chap and pretty decent.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

great match: i wished ken won really. Mark has been the best player. he trashed everybody on the way to the final and is world no1. and he knocked stephen hendry out so he's fine with me.

''is that the conway hall thing you went to?''

yup.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I always liked him. < /back-track>. haha, no, yeah, he did come off as a nice guy... More power to him and all that...

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, after his comeback in the semis i thought his name was on the trophy. oh well, it was a good game, and i quite like williams, too.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a right tool when it comes to snooker though (like most things, I suppose) in that I really like Stephen Hendry and really hate (HATE!) Ronnie O'Sullivan.

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I like ronnie and i don't hate stephen (though many do) BUT i don't want him to win more world titles.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronnie O'Sullivan makes me think of the pig's head, goading me, making me stupid.

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

wah! ronnie is great and should win more world titles. you are just jealous of his talent. bunch of hataz!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

ppl hate ronnie cos he's an arrogant prick, but yes, he is entertaining.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronnie O'Sullivan is like a modern day Michael Corleone.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

come on Jimmy!

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Reserve your hatred for John Parrott. Supposed to be funny, but just comes across as self-absorbed, unnatural on TV and, dare I say it, blown away by Steve Davis in terms of TV presentation.

Daniel (dancity), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

We need better snooker coverage here in the states. The kids don't even know how it works here.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Wot no Cabbage?

I enjoyed 'Frame Academy' very much indeed. It put the 'OO' back into snooker for a few minutes, especially Steve Davis's elasticated balls.

I also enjoyed the odd glimpse of Terry Griffiths.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

R O'Sullivan is signing his books in Borders round the corner from me tonight, and his lingerie emporium is v.near where I work. It's Ronnie's world, I just live in it.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Ronnie O'Sullivan is everything.

Alex K (Alex K), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

nine months pass...
bum-di-bum-bum-bump!

o'sullivan vs hunter 8:7 ...and 4 more to go, eh? or less, meh?
(it is live on eurosport, innit?)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

...the masters...

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

what is with these dudes' hair??

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

like, long?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

they saw me and thought 'heeey!'

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.worldsnooker.com/snooker_media_centre/masters04/story_images/ma15_sm.JPG

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

and o'sullivan kinda looks like nick cave.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

uuu-mmm... not quite

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, I'm just peeved they don't carry this in america.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, it's now 9:7 to o'mullivann...

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I've not watched snooker for a while. What's happened to O'Sullivan's bowlcut?

Also these are a couple of sexy shits, eh?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I imagine someone making smartass comments, esp about the blond one...

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

But if it was a foul leading to a free-ball in some dim alleyway, I bet you'd force him to play again, eh?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever.

They're both pretty great.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Ew. Hunter looks about twelve and has one of David Beckhams's old haircuts. This does not sexy make :(

(xpost)

O'Sullivan's post-therapy interviews are a mind-boggling wonder of pop-psychology-speak (well, the only one I saw this week anyway).

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

...9:8 now, with 18th under way

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Ain't that entertainment -- 9:9, uhhhhh!

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That was some red, eh?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

This could be Hunter's chance now, I reckon.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

We should commentate. You be Willie Thorne.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

https://archive.ph/4HfMX

Totally get the obsession to write about Ronnie, but I think this loses focus when she is writing about how the human mind is able to see things a computer or a technology cannot.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 March 2025 11:03 (one month ago)

In terms of snooker I think Ronnie is also a product of modern approaches to sport, which includes psychology (his sports psychologist doesn't get a mention) plus how his energies into running and a kind of 'mindfulness'/fitness training would not have been in the culture and available to someone like Alex Higgins of Jimmy White. You see it in tennis, golf too where players were saved by changes approaches in therapy and sports science.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 March 2025 11:17 (one month ago)

Snooker wise she doesn't really account for the four or five players that made the last twenty years of snooker the most technically and emotionally exciting era of the game. Ronnie might have won a lot more if it wasn't for John Higgins, Mark Williams, Selby and Stephen Hendry. The drop off in the last few years has been sharp with only Brecel and a couple of Chinese players maybe coming through (but not quite).

xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 March 2025 11:24 (one month ago)

I think this loses focus when she is writing about how the human mind is able to see things a computer or a technology cannot.

absolutely. there could be and almost certainly have been books written about this, her rather uninformed 'makes u think' approach is pretty lame. she also vaguely suggests that positional play is something that ronnie is uniquely gifted at, when it's the absolute basics of the sport (even if ronnie is the best).

birming man (ledge), Friday, 7 March 2025 12:07 (one month ago)

Yeah Ronnie had that 'cue ball on a string' with the most consistency for longest, but yeah its a skill that is kinda bog standard for a couple of hundred people in the UK and Ireland.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 March 2025 13:29 (one month ago)

If I were to pull out a Ronnie match it has to be the Semi final of the WC where he beat Mark Selby for his 6th world title. They were both at their absolute best and Selby knew how to beat him with his tactical play (John Higgins the other who used tactical mastery to consistently beat him).

Ronnie pulled out the best ball striking I will ever see under pressure.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 March 2025 13:39 (one month ago)

one month passes...

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/graeme-dott-accused-sexually-abusing-35023624

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 13:49 (three weeks ago)

Jesus..

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 April 2025 15:04 (three weeks ago)

Ten Chinese players in this world's. This is a ticking time bomb for a member of the BBC commentary team

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 April 2025 09:07 (two weeks ago)

That aside this is great news because I am not fussed by any of the English or UK players (maybe Allen aside), and not fussed about Ronnie winning the 8th. I like Brecel a lot and his win (esp his SF with Si) was the last great highlight, with last year's edition being one of the worst.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 April 2025 09:14 (two weeks ago)

"But the most intriguing of this year’s Chinese contingent is Zhao Xintong. Suspended in 2023 as part of the match-fixing investigation that almost engulfed snooker in China, Zhao returned as an amateur late last year but has already become the first player to make a maximum on the amateur tour, and has come through qualifying."

Bring it on.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 April 2025 09:22 (two weeks ago)

Lei knocking out Wilson!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 April 2025 08:44 (two weeks ago)

Xiao - Higgins looks like an excellent duel at 8-8.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 25 April 2025 17:24 (one week ago)

10-10. Last frame was an incredible tactical battle lasting over an hour with Xiao on top.

Higgins had chances to bury him. Its the type of frame he has been a past master at winning

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 April 2025 11:37 (one week ago)

Higgins got stronger and was within a black from winning three in a row.

He missed and Xiao cleared nicely so now they have to come back tonight for two more frames as we've run out of time. Great match.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 April 2025 13:13 (one week ago)

This ofc went all the way. Higgins was so strong at the end. Again.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 27 April 2025 09:49 (one week ago)

Top half of the draw is looking like a Ronnie - Xintong SF. Ronnie has had it easy so far. It will be good to see him under pressure.

Bottom half is less clear. Brecel was frighteningly good last night.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 27 April 2025 09:53 (one week ago)

Xintong played a beautiful double, bridging over the pink.

Love this cheat.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 29 April 2025 12:48 (one week ago)

Williams won the first four frames for 12-8.

After the interval Higgins wins the next three.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 April 2025 11:39 (six days ago)

Its a decider. Higgins won't die.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 April 2025 12:02 (six days ago)

Williams potted an incredible blue to win.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 April 2025 12:41 (six days ago)

In the other QF if Si could cut some of the silly errors he could beat Ronnie who is getting through matches without much of a long game.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 April 2025 12:43 (six days ago)

Brecel is awesome. Won all four against Judd so far. Everything is in the heart of the pocket. Nothing is safe.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 April 2025 14:44 (six days ago)

Didn't watch it but changing your set up overnight and getting killed the next day is such a brilliant act of self-sabotage from Ronnie

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 May 2025 14:07 (four days ago)

Trump pulled out all the shots against Williams when 12-10 down. Final frame of the session coming up

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 May 2025 11:19 (three days ago)

Williams is playing really strong stuff. 13-11 as we go into the final session.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 May 2025 11:31 (three days ago)

Really interesting final tomorrow. Wonder whether Xintong can get into a scrap if he needs to against Williams.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 May 2025 20:30 (three days ago)

Anyone with tickets for tomorrow evening must be feeling concerned now. Another seniors exhibition beckons.

Eyeball Kicks, Sunday, 4 May 2025 15:11 (two days ago)

Lol yeah.

That was an incredible plant by Xintong in the last frame of the session.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 May 2025 15:36 (two days ago)

Williams is in the final now but they are sharing it so far. Beautiful clearance by Xintong to steal the penultimate frame. 11-5.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 May 2025 20:21 (two days ago)

Williams won that session when it was Xintong who had a great chance at the final frame. 5-4.

Xintong huge fave.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 May 2025 20:48 (two days ago)

Yeah, I am anticipating that they will continue in the vein of the evening session and it'll be more or less even frame by frame until Xintong's big lead gets him to 18.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 5 May 2025 08:47 (yesterday)

First two frames shared.

Zhao hasn't played out and out great since the first session but idk if Williams is gonna play well enough to take advantage.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 May 2025 12:48 (yesterday)

Three superb long pots at the next out of nowhere for Xintong. Incredible 58 break. 13-7

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 May 2025 12:59 (yesterday)

Williams started with a 45. That broke down and it took two chances but Xintong wins. 14-7.

Forget a Williams come back, if Xintong wins the last four we won't get a final session.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 May 2025 13:17 (yesterday)

Absolutely zero chance Williams is gonna beat this guy 11-3 or better in the remaining frames. If I was in his position, I'd be happy to lose this this afternoon and at least get my evening back.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 5 May 2025 13:17 (yesterday)

still a little anxious until Zhao finishes the job tho

i got bao-yu babe (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 May 2025 13:34 (yesterday)

Don't really follow the snooker much these days but was talking about it earlier in the week and saying it's about time a Chinese player won it, 145% tariff on baize and cue chalk notwithstanding.

Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Monday, 5 May 2025 13:41 (yesterday)

Only one away at the end of the session.

And for all the talk of the longevity of the likes of Higgins, O'Sullivan and Williams the latter pair had nothing to offer.

Xintong is excellent and a brilliant player but he wasn't pushed for more than a session each in the SF and F. Wonder what the likes of Ding will be feeling..

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 May 2025 15:03 (yesterday)

Williams has won three frames in a row..

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 May 2025 18:52 (yesterday)

Four

Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Monday, 5 May 2025 19:06 (yesterday)

Incredible break in that final frame.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 5 May 2025 19:11 (yesterday)

You find yourself making daft pronouncements like 'you only have so much luck' and that fluke + the double and...

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 5 May 2025 19:11 (yesterday)

I am so mad Williams has decided to turn up now

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 May 2025 19:16 (yesterday)

Thank you President Xi

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 May 2025 19:39 (yesterday)

When he got 3 in a row, I was thinking is it worth a punt. Then sense prevailed, clear that Zhao wouldn’t drop 6 on the bounce.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 5 May 2025 19:46 (yesterday)

Really needed a translator for that interview

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 May 2025 19:47 (yesterday)

bbc radio news today was getting the pronunciation of Zhao completely wrong, thought they had people to sort this stuff.

zoloft keeps liftin' me (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 5 May 2025 19:58 (yesterday)

Seemed like a pleasant young fellow. Hazel Irvine's attempts at getting Mark Williams to cry fell on stony ground, then the interview with Zhao fell flat. Good work, Hazel!

Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Monday, 5 May 2025 20:59 (yesterday)

First World Champtionship I’ve got into for many many years, forgot how enjoyable Snooker can be to watch. Shame the final didn’t quite end up being the classic it might have been, but really great to see such an exciting young player.

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 5 May 2025 21:10 (yesterday)


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