ILX Yahoo! Fantasy Baseball League 2003 -- Part 4: ...going...

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lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 5 May 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Peter Gammons sez the Cards are considering moving Ankiel to OF!!!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 5 May 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Are they gonna build a mound for him in the outfield so he can make those throws to the plate?

Here, let me open a tag:

< bnw wrath >

felicity (felicity), Monday, 5 May 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The Snooker thread has more posts than this one!

Snooker? I hardly knew her!

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

What do you want me to do? I can only write so many baseball related pomes.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

New rule: when making personnel moves everyone must first pick up and drop Albert Belle.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

THIS IS MY OVERMANAGING SHOW ME YOURS

Benching Prior + starting Danny Graves in the same week!

felicity (felicity), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

So in my $$$ league I've been offered Shawn Green for Eric Gagne. I won't do this straight up, but I'm thinking of asking him to splash the pot (hi f!) with someone else... Just thinking out loud here.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe I could ask for Green and Edgardo Alfonzo for JT Snow and Gagne? My corner infielder slot's pretty weak.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear ILX Yahoo! Fantasy Ba$eball Agony Aunts,

2 of my players are on the reality DL. What am I supposed to do? I put one of them on the yahoo! fantasy "DL" but it didn't open a roster spot for me, I don't think. What good is having a "DL" spot? I am already aware the player is on the reality DL, THANK YOU.

Sincerely,

New York Newbie

felicity (felicity), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

You should be able to add a player.

When it asks you which player of yours to drop when adding the new guy (which it always does, regardless), there should be a choice "empty". Pick that one.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear Mr. Diamond,

Thank you. I tried that but it did not let me! Perhaps the problem is that I have 2 players on the DL? I am very worried about my team.

Sincerely,

Worried in Midtown

felicity (felicity), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm... I don't know what you did, but for some reason the player you put on the DL (Kim) is back in your lineup tomorrow - you can see this if you click on the "Tues" link on your team page. Try clicking that link and putting him back on the DL through that page.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ankiel is a good athelete. Just like Eric Crouch he can be converted to a new position with no problems!

bnw (bnw), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

That worked! Thank you.

I read about the remedial fielding exercises Ankiel does to practice fundamentals on one of his many fan sites. Like the coach will roll the ball. Poor lil guy. :(

felicity (felicity), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I need some input on my possible Gagne trade...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

. . . on how to be sub-mediocre, like my team? Wait until Aaron W gets back.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, I think I'm gonna try to deal Mike Macdougal, but I might've waited too long in selling high...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Cuz my Juan Bong's worn off etc etc etc

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

deal Macdougal fer sure, I wouldn't do Gagne for Green straight up

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I was gonna deal him even before his recent implosions, but was waiting for a few more solid outtings so folx would think he's the real deal...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

A friend dealt Macdougal for Preston Wilson a couple of days before his Red Sox implosion. Lucky bastid. I'd definitely wait to see if he recovers & then shop him around.

And if you can get Alfie for JT Snow in addition to swapping Green for Gagne, that would be a big ol' steal. Closers ain't nothin' but upstars & charlatans - treat them as such. (& gimme some - I need saves.)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

My pitching staff is nothing but closers right now!

Zito
Washburn
Beckett
Ishii
Lidle
Gagne
Worrell
Mantei
Macdougal

Zambonies = smoke & mirrors!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlatans.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlatans U+K.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

kelvim escobar:

13 games pitched
1 win
4 saves
17 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKs
10.13 ERA
2.40 WHIP
1 roofie / sexual assault allegation

come and get 'im.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

g!, are you back?

I need Prior to get a W and 6 K more than Jake Peavy tonight. Me:Zambonies::Brian Wilson:Lennon-McCartney. I am obsessed.

I hope I can hang onto 9th for a while. It just seems like the right "fit."

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

f., sort of... will be more "back" later in the week.

Here is the league top 10 as of yesterday:

alfonso soriano
gary sheffield
mike mussina
alex rodriguez
carlos delgado
carl everett
eric gagne
todd helton
javier vasquez
esteban loiza

congrats you guys, y'all are kicking my ass.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

FYI: nen is out for the year. scary scary!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

In my other league, I just traded away Glaus & Berkman for Mike Cameron & D'Angelo Jimenez. The mental midgets in that league have been posting oh-so-funny comments on my supposed stupidity, so I thought I'd allow folks that could actually work a light switch to weigh in.

My justification for this trade: I need more team speed, I need more roster flexibility, it changes my starting OF from Sosa / Berkman / Beltran to Sosa / Berkman / Wells (which is just fine w/ me), and I get rid of A) Fat Elvis and B) a dope-headed gamer that's content to suffer through hamstring pulls & turf toe & brain damage just to show how tough he is.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait. I thought you traded Berkman? Ummm... that looks like a fucking horrible deal, dude.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Replace Berkman w/ Beltran in that revised outfield.

See, that opinion I respect. The fuckclowns in my league (who're saying the same exact thing) get NO LOVE from me.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I can understand ditching Glaus cuz he really ain't all that (2002 playoffs exempted), but dealing Berkman at his lowest trade value I can't understand. And D'Angelo Jimenez??? You couldn't get a Dave Roberts type for that? And Cameron's gonna drag yr BA down something fierce (which Berkman was already doing quite well!)!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah if I'm dealing Berkamn for speed I'm looking for a Dave Roberts or a Juan Pierre minimum

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I have faith that D'Angelo 'll turn out to be the uberguy folks projected him to be pre-neck break. As for Cameron - yeah, that might happen, but he's #4 or 5 on my OF depth chart. (I have Trot Nixon & Marlon Byrd on my bench. Hey, Marlon, dood, stop sucking. Love, Daver.)

Boring roster booshit:

Old starting lineup -
C - LoDuca
1B - Delgado
2B - Vidro
SS - Rollins
3B - fucking Glaus
OF - Sosa
OF - Beltran
OF - fucking Berkman
Util - Durazo

New starting lineup is the same, except for switching Jimenez for Glaus & Vernon Wells for Berkman. Also, if I need SBs, I can slide Cameron in for a game or two. (Also also - my league doesn't do average - we do OPB & SLG. Right on.) Jiminez is batting 2ndish for a killer lineup; Glaus is batting 5th in a lineup of stiffs where Garrett Anderson steals all his RBI opportunities. And Glaus couldn't run before he got hurt. And Berkman ... well, Berkman can just suck it.

U&K question: am I trying to justify this trade w/ you fine folks, or am I trying to justify this trade to myself? Hmmm.

The REAL impetus for this trade is the dumbest reason possible - I wanted to make a change. My team, as it stood, was pissing me off. Team chemistry blah blah. I need Felicity to come online and repost her Unassailable Baseball Truths.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

PS - I thought Blount's "minimum" was actually "mmmmmmmmmm" & I was going to ask why he was getting all lusty for SLG sinkholes.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

haha!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Geez, I dunno David, that does look like a somewhat bad deal for you. I'm as high on Jimenez as anyone, but I still don't trade Berkman at low ebb (and I'll refrain from mentioning that he hit a home run tonight).

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

(Then again I see you have Delgado as well, so you're basically loving life right now)

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Brooks Kieschnick on to pitch for the Brew-crew!

Also, Detroit Tigers en fuego!!!!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Dmitri Young soundbite I saw earlier - "we're trying to build something special here".

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It might be even more special if Young could ever stay healthy for a full season...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Goddamn - he went 5 fer 5, two homers!

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

And two triples!!! Meathook has wheels!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Mr. Diamond: I'm totally fine w/ Berkman leaving my team w/ a bang (and, hey, Lance, hit another one before you hit the buffet spread, 'kay dood?), and it brings to mind some story I read at Bill Simmons' ESPN column regarding ex-girlfriends, but it's a story so fucking awful, myopic, and sexist that I'd rather throw up in my mouth than type one word that nimrod fuckclown has to offer.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Excepting the euphemism I used in that post, of course.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

did you know...

that walks don't count toward total bases for pitchers? wtf?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

WHAT?!!!

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

James, I hope you did a spit take before typing that.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

so i bench thome in my other league and he is erupting all over the place with 2 HRs in 5 innings so far... and derrick lee goes 0/4.

i don't know james... i'm statwatching right now and worrell put a guy on with a BB and yet his TB is zero. i'll try to find the yahoo! definition of TB.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

mulder's 5 series

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 23 May 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Nobody bid on it!

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 23 May 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

it could have been the tough loss in cleveland that scared everyone off.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 23 May 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The signing of Jason Sehorn has caused some howling from pups management. "We just think idiots playing for local sports teams reflects poorly on all of us. We are pondering having Richie the Ogre Sexson punch Sehorn in the face anytime he flashes that annoying smile." Inside sources suggest however owner's box passes were sent immediately to Angie Harmon moments after the Sehorn signing was announced.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

http://land.heim.at/podersdorf/221260/PacCUBSAstros.gif

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Bernie Williams is out. Sweet. Im sure its just to put the finishing touches on his album.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ALEX SANCHEZ TRADED TO THE TIGERS!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

they're making a run for it!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

THEY GAVE UP PROSPECTS! D-TOWN FANS YR TIME IS NOW!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, I actually sat next to a Brewers fan (yes, they exist!) at the White Sox game on Sunday. We had a conversation about Sanchez. And now he's gone. Life is crazy.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm trying to imagine what a conversation about Alex Sanchez would be like and I'm coming up really goddamned blank.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Sanchez was benched by Brewers' manager Ned Yost a couple of weeks ago due to his inability to listen, take a walk, or play defense.

I found this on the INTerNet. I figure he'll fit in very nicely on the Tigers (who have actually been winning games lately! Come on guys... you're never gonna land Lebron James if you keep this up!).

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

The Tigers are tanking the season to get Dmitri Young's bro! BASEBALL NEEDS A LOTTERY SYSTEM!!!

That quote makes it sound like Alex Sanchez is five. Or a dog.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure that Tigers Bench Coach Kirk Gibson won't be putting up with any of that booshit.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

re: real-life Brewers fans - I saw a guy who looked younger than 20 wearing an old-school Brewers hat at Yankee Stadium on Sunday. He was probably the only person there that looked at me funny for wearing my old-school Cubs hat.

hstencil, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

they're rivals now

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

so like during the pitching change when they were trying to get the crowd going, they played this "slammin' jock-house" track accompanied by some video and what do ya know, interspersed in the collage was the geeky kid with the mic stand "lightsaber" from that video.

i giggled.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Awwwwww that poor kid!!

Managerial decision of the day... do I bench Derek Lowe for the game against the Yankees tonight? He's been awful away from home and the Yanks seem to have snapped out of it last night.... my mind sez no, but my heart sez yes!!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I had such problems. Life must be awesome.

Oh no, Percival down with Bo Jackson type disease! Who Is Killing the Great Closers of Baseball?

Jason Schmidt is a big stud. I want to have like 10,000 of his babies.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Pedro Feliz' last 5 games:

H/AB = 5/13 (.385)
BB = 3
OBP = (.500)
HR = 3
3B = 1
2B = 1
SLG = (1.308)
OPS = (1.808)
R = 6
RBI = 7

He's a 3rd baseman, but he's been PH-ing and playing LF in Bonds' absence. Granted, a lot of this slugging took place at Coors, but Alfonzo continues to be less than mediocre.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

holy moly, there's trouble in ATL:

CIN's Jeff Austin gives up back to back to back HRs to Furcal, DeRossa and Sheffield to start the game. He gets 2 outs before giving up a single to Fick. Up comes Javy Lopez who goes long.

6 runs on 4 HRs in the bottom of the 1st all to Austin. He gets pulled and they put in Jeff Hamilton who ends the inning.

Patterson pitches smoothly through the 2nd, well, except for ANOTHER HR from Furcal.

now it's the 3rd... no more long ball:

-J. Lopez doubled to deep left, R. Fick scored
-R. Ortiz singled to right, J. Lopez scored, V. Castilla to third, V. Castilla scored, R. Ortiz to second
-G. Sheffield doubled to left, R. Ortiz scored, R. Furcal to third
-C. Jones grounded out to first, R. Furcal scored, G. Sheffield to third


11-0 after three innings.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

whoops, that should be Hamilton not Patterson up there.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Jason Schmidt is a big stud. I want to have like 10,000 of his babies.

You can look but you can't touch... unless you open up your wallet.

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Will Schottzie please fire Bob Boone already? He should be canned for benching Adam Dunn on consecutive days! He should be CANED for that! (Of course, firing Booney won't miraculously improve that ballyhooed Reds rotation, but it's hard to win games 11-9 w/out starting your best hitter EVERY SINGLE DAY.)

(OK - second best hitter, behind Kearns.)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Schmidt got outpitched by Kim last night!

I was wondering what happened to felicity, I expected her to comment about her boy Prior who was rocking and rolling until two out in the 8th.

The funniest thing about that Cinci game will be waiting to see if Boone brings in a position player to pitch.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cinci board seems to think it might be Kearns. Apparently he had a good heater in high school.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Mr. Diamond, Kim pitched very well last night... in fact, there was great pitching for 12.5 innings until Mantei melted down. Even (gulp) Felix AND Worrell pitched well together. *tears of joy*

but yeah, Schmidt lasted longer. he's always been hittable but he looked good through 9, throwing 94-96 mph (152-155km/h) well into a triple digit pitch count.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

A save for Bong! (I tried to think of a quip but I just didn't have it in me). So, Boone didn't bring out a position player to pitch. He hates fun.

Santiago = best season ever at 38 years old?! It's looking that way.

Also, help me differentiate between Casey Fossum and Jessy Foppert. I always get those two mixed up.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 29 May 2003 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Best way to differentiate = Foppert has more upside. Also, different coasts. Also, different leagues. Both are cute, tho (if you look for that sort of thing) (& I think Foppert's the cuter one) (or at least is cuter for having a name that resembles "fop" more than "possum").

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 29 May 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Where does that leave Puffer? [insert Bong joke here]

I can't believe I put Ricky Stone on my team and he throws at Pujols' head. What a jackass. I hate when my homerism and ILB wishes conflict.

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 29 May 2003 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

My homerism will be the death of the Pockets as I stack my team with four Clevo Indians (Burks, Vizquel, Baez and Riske). Thome should be a current Indian so he counts as well. Also, Jake Westbrook and Brian Anderson have been in Pocket Town for a cup of coffee.

Despite all this I'm in 8th place and should be manager of the year.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 29 May 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

felicity, i'm already spending my $10 from our nl east bet.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

okay here we are, 1/3 into the season... 2 months down, 4 to go.

Aaron W. is running away with a 40 point advantage. He leads the league in Runs, Stolen Bases and Batting Average and is in the top 3 in RBI, Caught Stealing, OnBase%+Slugging, Wins, and ERA. His stars: Carlos Delgado and Barry Bonds on offense, Hideo Nomo and Shawn Chacon in pitching.

In second and leading the league in ERA and WHIP, skinny pups led by pitchers Kevin Brown, Matt Morris, and offensive leader Richie Sexson.

Third and fourth are held by The Lurkers and Joey "Albert" Belle Has A Posse, both with well-balanced teams.

Top 10 Players overall and respective owners:

#1. Alfonso Soriano (Zambonies)
#2. Gary Sheffield (0-fers)
#3. Carlos Delgado (Aaron Ws A-OKs)
#4. Mike Mussina (The Lurkers)
#5. Eric Gagne (Doo-Dooettes)
#6. Albert Pujols (Millar Time)
#7. Carl Everett (many turgid corpses)
#8. Mark Prior (ChicksDigKs)
#9. Bret Boone (Disco Avengers)
#10. Rafael Furcal (Millar Time)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Rafael Furcal! And I felt like such a homer voting for him on the All-Star ballot

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for the update, gygax. I look forward to seeing if my managerial prowess (I started Lowe yesterday... doh!) can bring my beloved A-Ok's the pennant.

In other news, looks like Mo Vaughn's career is over.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

The 'Come Beat the Mets' are one of the biggest train wrecks in recent years, no? "What do you mean there's no DH in the National League? The Mets have three of 'em 'playing' outfield."

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The sad thing is Burnitz is the best CF the Mets have fielded since Mookie (or Lenny) (the one of those two that left / was traded away for asscrap last).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Kim for Hillenbrand!

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

that sucks for SF because they optioned out of Mueller's contract to get Alfonzo, then Boston takes a chance on BilLeee Mueller and gets a winner.

here's a good article from the WP (w/ DIPS talk, you stat geeks):

Evaluation By Numbers Is Beginning To Add Up

By Thomas Boswell
Thursday, May 29, 2003; Page D01


For nearly 25 years, there's been a huge food fight in baseball. The argument was basic: How do you evaluate a player?

On one side were general managers, scouts and managers. For the most part, they evaluated players the old-fashioned way -- with their eyes, stopwatches and radar guns and by looking at statistics which were popularized in the 19th century.

Their mind-set was always, "How fast does he run? How hard does he throw? What's his batting average? Does he look like a major leaguer should look?"

On the other side -- led by statistical gurus such as Bill James and Pete Palmer, and assisted by countless lesser "seamheads" (including, at times, me) -- were the geeks, the outsiders, mere fans, who thought they knew better.

The default setting of those who talked about Runs Created, Adjusted Production or Total Average was, "What's his on-base percentage? What's his slugging average? Forget steals and defense. Does he draw lots of walks?"

Guess what: "Revenge of the Nerds" may be playing in a ballpark near you.

Many of us never thought this day would come. Now, with the best-selling success of "Moneyball" by Michael Lewis, sophisticated statistical analysis has finally become a publicly acknowledged part of baseball's mainstream. As Lewis has chronicled, the methods used by the Oakland Athletics in recent years have succeeded so suddenly and so well that, after reading "Moneyball," many an owner -- especially poorer ones -- will have to ask, "Why aren't we doing it this way?"

A few years ago, Oakland General Manager Billy Beane bought the whole New School stat-analysis worldview, inspired by James's popular "Baseball Abstract" but expanded by many people over many years. Beane's 100-win low-budget A's have been constructed almost entirely on academic ideas that are heresy to traditionalists.

In Beane's world, the stats always rule. If they dictate that you replace Jason Giambi (lost to free agency) with obscure Scott Hatteberg, so be it. If numbers say that an unwanted Class AAA submarine pitcher named Chad Bradford will be a star, then you trade for him. Without ever seeing him. And if those stats say spend a No. 1 draft pick on an overweight college catcher nobody else wants, then do it and ignore the laughter. In Oakland, scouts are de-emphasized. Drafting high school kids, who have few valid stats to analyze, is almost verboten. And fresh-out-of-college whizzes with computers run the A's in cyberspace.

Just as important, Beane's disciples or imitators are now in complete control of the Boston Red Sox (for whom James is a consultant) and the Toronto Blue Jays -- the Red Sox lead the American League East and the Blue Jays are three games back. The virus has spread. The genie is out of the lamp. There's no turning back now.

Forward-thinking individuals in baseball understood many of the new statistical models long ago, but they were never in control of a franchise. Often they had to hide their knowledge as though it were shameful. In 1985, when Davey Johnson managed the Mets, he had Palmer's stat classic "The Hidden Game of Baseball" on his bookshelf. However, when he mentioned "Professor Ernshaw Cook's theory of favorable chance deviation," I knew he was a fellow "sabermetric" subversive.

What's different now is that one person -- Beane -- has been allowed to build an entire organization using the tools that some, like Johnson, knew existed long ago. A handful of tenets are at the core of what Beane is doing. Though some of the math is hard, the conclusions aren't. His "secrets" may be alarmingly easy to copy.

• Analyze all hitters through on-base percentage. Getting on base, while making the fewest outs, is the heart of offense. Walks are wonderful. Hitters who know the strike zone drive pitchers crazy. High on-base hitters usually take many pitches, foul off two-strike pitches and, as a result, exhaust the pitch limits of most quality starters. Result: Crummy relievers enter the game and get waxed. Even in a three-game series, the high on-base team wins a war of pitching attrition. The Yankees teams of Joe Torre have used this theory in recent years. The Red Sox do now.

• Slugging percentage is the only other vital offensive statistic. Power matters. Combine on-base and slugging averages, with much more emphasis on the former, and you'll automatically build a high-scoring lineup. Hard as it is to believe, many high on-base average players come cheap. Walks are boring. Nobody comes to see, or pays big salaries to, walkers. (So, Beane grabs 'em easily.) As for batting average, ignore it. Irrelevant. Forget stolen bases, too. Until your success rate is over 70 percent, attempting to steal is, mathematically speaking, a waste of time.

• A superstar, such as Giambi, can be replaced -- at reasonable cost -- in pieces. When the A's lost Jason Giambi, Johnny Damon and DH Olmedo Saenz after '01, they added David Justice, Hatteberg and Jeremy Giambi. The combined on-base percentage and slugging percentage of the three new players roughly equaled the comparable statistics of the three lost players. Jason Giambi wasn't missed.

• Any decent pitcher can be turned into a star closer because any solid pitcher should be able to pitch one inning when he always enters with the bases empty. Once you create such an overrated star, you immediately trade him at peak value. Then just develop a new closer since it's so easy to do. Repeat as needed.

• To evaluate pitchers, use the breakthrough DIPS theory of stat man Voros McCracken that's been invented in the last three years. DIPS stands for "defense independent pitching statistic." It's a stunner. Nobody believed it at first, but now most serious stat geeks accept it. Once a batter hits a pitch, it's very close to pure luck whether it gets caught or not. From one season to another, for example, Greg Maddux's ERA may fluctuate by 1.5 runs even though he pitches identically. One season a lot of hits find holes. The next, they don't.

So, to learn how good a pitcher is, McCracken measures only his strikeouts, walks and home runs, because those stats are unconnected to his defense. (Nobody has to field a walk, a strikeout or a home run.) This method unearths radically underrated pitchers who had poor ERAs or bad winning percentages simply because they were unlucky. Buy 'em cheap. Then wait for their luck to turn.

There's a lot more skinny from this realm of what was once statistical mystery. But now the Blue Jays and Red Sox -- with their A's-cloned GMs -- know it, too. Billy has spilled the Beanes to Lewis. Pretty soon, thanks to "Moneyball," the whole sport will catch up to the curve -- the learning curve, that is. And it's about time.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company


gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

KIM FOR HILLENBRAND!

Oh, thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you THANK YOU!

(Note: I actually typed the first 8 "thank you"s before Alt-V'ing because I'm SO F*CKING HAPPY! YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, holy crap! Flip a hot Shea for a guy that's looking like a foine starter (in limited sampling, of course), stick Mueller Time in @ 3rd permanently (which'll lower his gaudy stats some, but as long as he gets on base & scrapes the Monster occasionally, that's all that matters), get more ABs for Millar & Ortiz & Giambi...oh, yeah!

Now, if only they could dredge up better bullpen fodder besides RUDY F*CKING SEANEZ. (If Garces was El Guapo, is Seanez El Guano or something?)

I'd say something to gygax! regarding Mueller & Edgardo, but I already jinxed the Gints bullpen, so I'll shut up.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

great trade

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

And if they stick Kim in the bullpen, they can EAT MY ASS.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The best thing about this trade is it involves one of those hott young GM turks (our Theo Epstein) & a crabby, ign'ant dood (Joe Garagiola Jr.) that's been known to mouth off about "statheads" & such nonsense. Maybe the Sox & Snakes can form some sort of A's / Royals relationship.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Holy harmonic convergence - I was literally mid-transaction (I dropped a player and was scanning potential replacements), and I hovered over Aramis Ramirez for about a minute before finally deciding on Dye, and in that span Maura had picked up Ramirez.

Anyway, I think this is a great trade for Boston - and Kim should totally start; he oughta baffle the AL for at least a little while. And I'm all for the new breed of younger GMs. But let's not anoint these guys geniuses. Last time I checked neither Boston nor Oakland has won jack shit. I heard the interview with Michael Lewis on "fresh air" (wow, fresh air and the Post?! Yay for the PR machine!), and it was certainly interesting and entertaining (I'm planning to pick up Moneyball; as much because I dug Liar's Poker as anything), but still I wonder if it wouldn't be prudent to hold off on the hagiographies until these guys, you know, grab the brass ring.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 30 May 2003 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

one question:

how healthy is Kim and will he stay healthy?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 May 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Winning schminning - it's all about LOOKING good.

I'm all for waiting until they win before handing out accolades, but while both Riccardi & Epstein need more time to work their mojo (& Theo's the only 1 of the 3 that actually has a fat bankroll to work with), Beane's been fantastic given what he's had to work with (payroll-wise), and for him to fashion a perrenial contender without much moolah might earn him (& his staff) that "genius" cap. Though a li'l luck has to be taken into account, too - how often does a team manage to get 3 starters as great as you-know-who w/out injuries or other li'l gremlins wrecking plans?

Gygax!, from what I know, the only problem w/ Kim is his ankle. If that's his only problem, it's all good.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 30 May 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Now I look like a nimrod for cutting Mueller.

Hopefully Kim stays in the rotation, I need Lyon's saves, now my one bright spot.

And I've heard an ex-A's scout gripe about how Beane lusted over Ariel Prieto over Todd Helton in the '95 draft.

Leee (Leee), Friday, 30 May 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

he ain't selling jeans leee!

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 30 May 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, like GMs haven't made mistakes like THAT before. If that & an unhealthy fascination w/ Terrence Long are the only smudges on Beane's onion bond paper (and I bet there are a few more "oops" to go along w/ those, probably involving relief pitchers), then he's heads, shoulders, and nips above at least 10 GMs working (or "working") right now.

But this doesn't matter. What matters is ESPN comparing Shea to Kim re: success against the Yankees. Nimrods.

PS - I NEED SAVES!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 30 May 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)


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