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I got home today and find that someone has turned the computer on and downloaded all my email. This machine is password protected, and I am positive my lodger doesn't know the password. And I just found out whoever it was composed an email to go to everyone in my address book. It's semi-pornographic, and was sent to relatives as well as friends and acquaintances, and clearly designed to humiliate me. There is one person in the world with (I think) the keys to this house and who might know my password, because I've used the same one for years. It was laced with facts that quite a few people know (like my age and that I work office hours and am divorced), some stuff that many don't, like being bi, and some stuff made up to make me look bad. The style of it makes it obvious who it was, but clearly I can prove nothing. I don't know if anything has been stolen or taken otherwise - nothing obvious. I do notice that the stereo has started behaving oddly: if I switch it on to cassette it just makes loud white noise when I get near it. That is probably just coincidence.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, that's terrible.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

This is very bizarre, Martin. At the very least, it's time to change yr password! (Something I should probably do too!)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

But worth speaking to the police about?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin that is fucked up and scary. How could someone do that to you, its bs.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i was wondering about that.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

That is terrible. This biznitch deserves to be tied up in the desert with Luna's ex and left to be attacked by angry manatees.

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Woah bummer bro! My not-very-good-idea: time to invest in some bear traps.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh. My. God.

Martin, I really don't know what to say apart from I can't believe someone would do such a thing. If there is only one person it could be, then you might have some case against them; after all, you have proof of where you were when it was sent. Contact your solicitor straight away.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

change the locks on your doors while you're at it, too, and I do hope everything turns out all right

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't delete the emails; you'll have full headers in there saying where it came from, which can potentially be used as proof.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

wait a sec - is this the real martin skidmore who posted? how do we know you aren't the intruder?

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That's horrid, Martin. Try talking to the police about this--I don't know the relevant laws, but it's possible that even if this person has a key to your house this act would count as breaking and entering or unlawful presence.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretty shitastic, to be sure. Like JBR, I was wondering about that, as I received a copy of it -- I initially thought it might simply have been an e-mail burp, so to know it's something far more awful is very distressing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That's some scaryass behaviour right there, Martin. I'm sure you've changed your password already but if not, then. Jeez.

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

: (

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I changed my password. I don't see how I can prove anyone else has been in here at all - the police are hardly going to call in Grissom for a hoax email. And it was only sent when I connected - three emails to everyone in my address book had been sitting in my outbox waiting. It hadn't occurred to me to check that, as I never do. There isn't a shred of evidence for anything. I would contact a solicitor, but since my ex-wife extracted almost two grand from my account recently, I am broke (and worse) and can't afford one. I will have to get the locks changed, certainly - more expense. I presume that, and general harassment in advance of the court case (over the financial settlement), is the idea.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry to hear this, Martin. Changing the locks should be top priority so nothing else mysterious happens.

Though I wonder why this person went to that trouble? If he/she knew your password, couldn't he/she access your account from anywhere?

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

(You might get the lesser-mortal Horatio Kane!)

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I mean my PC's password. Then you don't need to put in a password to get the email. And I (and others) could tell if it had been sent under my name from a different machine. Messing with my email (and I have no idea if anything has been lost from that - if 'whoever did this' (there really is only one coneivable person) thought to delete the email and delete it from the deleted items folder, I wouldn't know it had ever been there) wouldn't have been anything like as affecting as coming into my home and messing with it here. Also, I can prove nothing - for all anyone knows, I sent that email, perhaps by mistake. I'm not sure who I'd be sending what reads like a sexual contact ad to, but that's clearly not evidence.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, I'm so sorry to hear this. People are fucked up.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

my advice is to find this person and take the opening dialogue in "m.e.t.h.o.d. man" to heart

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess is otm.

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

how disturbing. (hugs to martin)

JuliaA (j_bdules), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, although this probably has nothing to do with it, I tried to e-mail you last night and it kept rejecting it. I just now sent one to the same address and it went through. Maybe just a coincidence.

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

*scratches head, googles said lyrics*

Hm. That is pretty illustrative.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Combining this with martin's thoughtful post on the relationships thread and the ironing is killing me.

Sorry about the fucked-up sitch, but I think that the damage control was sufficient for most purposes that this shouldn't really be a problem except for the feeling of intrusion, etc.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't see how that could be relevant, Carey - I actually was here and got a normal amount of email in the normal way. I can't imagine what was going wrong with the ones from you.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I know the lyrics. I really have no hate for her, though she is trying very hard to change that.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

It seems like you know who did it. Confront them about it.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, even if this person has a key to your flat, there's prolly something the police could do. At the very least, if you think you know who it is, get a restraining order (I'm assuming that the UK has those). And don't worry about lawyer's fees - some will work pro-bono, some will work on contingency. You won't find any solution to problems like these unless you ask, and not asking because you're afraid of the cost is not an excuse.

hstencil, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

She sounds like a psycho hose beast! You're much too kind, Martin -- if someone did something like that to me I'd want to find them and give them a Def Jam Vendetta-stylee beat down.

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, that's truly fucked up, and more than a little scary. I can only assume you've let everyone in your address book know what happened (although if there's some true stuff in there you'd prefer to keep to yourself that's not much consolation really).

If you know who it is, I'm not sure whether it would be better to confront said person face-to-face about it or phone the police. As it's someone you are/were close to and nothing has been stolen I suppose getting the police involved might not necessarily be a good idea. At the very least you can prove you weren't in a position to send the email at the time... its also time to change your locks (never mind the password).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think it's a good idea at all to confront this person face-to-face. Some third party with authority (the police, attorneys, etc.) should be involved.

hstencil, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The one thing is that yah -- if you can pin illegal entry or something on them it may help yr. other legal dealings.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

well obv. this person didn't have Martin's permission to enter his house. I don't think that the person having a key is necessarily consent on Martin's part, but I'm not a lawyer, I just play one on ILX. Martin should consult a real one ASAP.

hstencil, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I think we need to give Martin the benefit of the doubt here when it comes to sheer anger against who did this. He's been very clear about his ex in his many posts -- this is not someone who he thinks is the most awful person in the world or anything. If he's still not feeling hate, yet at least, then that should be accepted.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

How do I confront her? Without coming over as a psycho? I have no evidence at all. I can't even prove that I didn't send it myself. All I know for sure (and I can't prove any of this) is that someone with a key and knowledge of my password and some bits of personal knowledge did it. Incidentally and on a completely unrelated note, I must get the spare key to this house back from my ex-wife sometime.

As for the email, it was left in the outbox, so it was sent after 6 today, when I connected. All my email up to about 5.30 had already been downloaded - one possibility I fear is that I had been connected for ages and ages at daytime phone rates.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Confront her with a third-party. And change your locks ASAP. There might be other evidence that she left in your house, if she hates you enough to do this to you.

hstencil, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin - you've also said in the past that you're not particularly worried about your Googleability... is that still the case?

(I realise this isn't especially constructive but might be worth bearing in mind if she's deliberately setting out to humiliate you)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, seriously fucked up, Martin! :( Agree with the changing locks advice. Don't wait to get the key back, that'll just mean you have to talk to her.

Obviously mailing something to your friends/aquantainces saying, "Someone has sent an email from my account. If you could kindly delete and disregard the message sent to you around 6pm I would very much appreciate it" will probably do much (if you haven't already sent one). People tend to be pretty sympathetic about invasions of privacy like that, and being embarressed only let's this person win.

Anyway, sorry mate!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Woah! Sorry to hear this dude :( (I got the messages, deleted them without reading, as I saw this thread first)

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, bear in mind that if it WAS sent at 5.30, a lot of people will be probably be moving between work and home, so there's a good chance that they won't actually have read it yet. If I were you I'd send something out asap.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I did send an email as soon as I could, and attempted to recall what I could.

As for goggling, I am open and honest here, under my own name, because I am not worried about anything true getting out. She had to put in lots of lies as an attempt to humiliate. It's the fact of her being in here that is worrying.

I'm also pretty pissed off that the stereo has suddenly gone wrong (it was fine last night), but I can't see how that can have been done deliberately, and it is cheap and not very new. I just know that attack on my ability to play a lot of my music would be in keeping.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(Re:daytime phone rates - surely the phone would disconnect after 2/3 hours - at 4p a minute that is at most £7.20)

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Martin:(

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, sorry to hear abt this, M. I got thee email, and assumed it was for real at first (i am very gullible & literal minded) and FWIW was not offended by it. All I can say is change yer locks asap, go to a small hardware shop, not B&Q, coz they're really expensive.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Martin - I was drunk and I thought it would be funny.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Man I sure hope you're joking.

hstencil, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry martin :-(

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

N is undoubtedly joking. Thanks for the sympathy. I can't manage to change my own locks properly, so I'll have to get someone in to do it, which I'll do as soon as I can.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

One more tiny bit of info: I just looked at the mopst recent documents offered on the start menu. "Email ad" was there, which I didn't recognise. Selecting that caused the computer to check the floppy drive, so it was text written in advance and brought in - and removed again. This was clearly planned, not a whim. The person did not come here for some other purpose and mess around for fun, this was the purpose. How nasty is that? I'm not sure what it will achieve - it's a nuisance and annoyance, but that is all. My ex-wife, to shove in a completely irrelevant aside, lives quite a long way away. I have a lodger, so anyone wanting to get in secretly would have had to keep watch. And the last emails were downloaded less than twenty minutes before I got home - someone watching at the tube station with a mobile phone, or just luck? Last download: about ten minutes before I always get home, so the person may have been relying on my continuing with old routines.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

You should report this to the police straight away, Martin. Even if someone has got hold of a key, they have come into your house without your permission so that's an offence in itself- trespass or someting, surely?

Can't SOCO get fingerprints off your keyboard at all?? (STOP TYPING IMMEDIATELY!!!) They only need to match one with the person you suspect and they'll be able to prosecute.

Have you got a door chain on the front door that you can put on tonight while you're asleep? (not wishing to scare you with ideas of someone possibly letting themselves in at night or anything)

This is all just horrible.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, I don't know if UK police work this way, but in the US it would be worthwhile to report this to the police even if there's nothing they could do -- because if anything happened in the future, they would have a record of the complaint and would take you more seriously.

And condolences, of course.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, I'm truly sorry about this. Quick question (and forgive me for not having paid closer attention beforehand) - is this one more incident in a pattern of pathology, or is this a major escalation? I don't want to cause any undue worry here, but if she's already at the point of breaking into your house then it's time for some basic Cover Your Ass steps.

Therefore, I'm not advising - I'm *telling* you to:

1. Change the password on your email account, computer, etc.
2. Change the locks on the house.
3. Have a beer.

I wouldn't confront her about it, as the nature of this already puts you at a disadvantage. It's very easy for her to deny responsibility and then attack you for even considering it. Again, apologies for not following the complete details up to this point, but if this is her one temper tantrum, then you're OK. If not, then it's important to document everything that happens.

One last question, does she have any of your other personal info like credit card numbers and/or bank account stuff?

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

This is good thinking. It's a bit late to stop typing, but the intruder used the floppy drive of this computer, and therefore pressed the eject button. I shall avoid touching that. I suspect no one will be interested in fingerprinting here, but I will lodge the information with the police. I can't imagine the person getting violent, but I could never have imagined this - and I could be mistaken in who I believe it was. And there could be a second person involved, some kind of partner, who I barely know at all.

A few entirely irrelevant facts, because I obviously wouldn't accuse anyone. My ex-wife has a key still. My ex-wife knows the password I had in place. There are things in the email that are in the style of my ex-wife. My ex-wife has extracted nearly £2,000 from my bank account in recent months - I have closed this old account and opened a new one. I had the first communication from her in over a year last week, from an email address she imagines is not identifiable as hers (Sean C will understand why this isn't so): despite being unable to work in the long term through illness and so broke she is claiming maintenance, she offered to buy out my share of the house and take over the mortgage, which is over £100k. I wrote back to say that the offer was too small at the weekend. There is a court case over the financial settlement next month. I assume the money is coming from her partner, from whom I have also had email in the past and can therefore identify its source.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

On the brighter side, you have ended up soliciting sex with John Peel, which isn't something many people have managed.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

So sorry, Martin. I think the advice on this thread is all good. And given the premeditation of this and the fact that you will be having some contentious dealings with this person in future, I think it's a very good idea to take action about it, even if it's just getting a report on record. Your temptation might be to say that it's not worth it, that what's done is done, that you can't prove anything, etc. But if things escalate -- which I think we know it will, when it comes down to the finances -- you'll want to have a complete record of every single thing that's happened. I have spent the past couple years watching a he-said she-said game of ridiculously minor points and accusations getting batted back and forth between two people in my own life; when it comes to this, you don't want to go making bold accusations left and right, but you will want to have a solid, rational paper trail of everything that's happened, because you simply can't know now whether it'll wind up important in the future. (For instance: if you don't report it, someone can one day say "look at this email he sent out," leaving you with the feeble retort that "someone broke in and wrote that! I just never mentioned it before!")

But god, I'm sorry -- that simply can't be a good feeling. "Have a beer" has been one of the best suggestions yet.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Hell, have three or four. And maybe ten hours of sleep.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

disturbing.
my tires were slashed last night. by a deranged friend
so i am out hundreds of dollars, pissed off, but dont have the neerve to call the cops on him.


kephm, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't generally drink, and I don't think I'll be asleep early tonight. And I have to be up for work in the morning - no choice there. The bad timing is that I have a first date tomorrow night, and I am in no mood, and won't really want to explain why. Thankfully she hadn't made it into my email address book yet. Still, maybe something nicer to think about will be helpful.

And yes, I will lodge a record of this with the police. It can do no harm, and I can see ways that it might be beneficial. Maybe if I make the point that the intruder(s) sent pornographic mail to my family, which they did, they will take this seriously.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, I don't know if UK police work this way, but in the US it would be worthwhile to report this to the police even if there's nothing they could do -- because if anything happened in the future, they would have a record of the complaint and would take you more seriously.

In its quiet sort of way, this is one of the best pieces of advice on this thread. Call the police, and give them a statement, then ask for, and make a careful note of the "incident number". If this is something that is going to be part of a pattern (I hope not!) it will be as well to have all the incidents registered w/the cops.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

There is a court case over the financial settlement next month.

Then absolutely go to the police on this now - you never know if this incident could become admissable, but if there's a court case involved, anything goes, and the more police documentation you have, the better. In your statements don't take a position that is anything other than defensive right now.

Again, I'm really sorry about this. It's *very* easy to just get anxious and depressed right now, but it's incredibly important that you take some basic steps right now to protect yourself. Get those done first, then chill out with the beer as a reward.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"Mr. Skidmore will be represented by his solicitor, ILE, of the firm Ilovemusic, Iloveeverything, Desubjectivisten & Askadrunk."

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not going to the police tonight, or I'll never get to sleep - it's 11pm now. I will call them tomorrow morning.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry to hear about this Martin, it's one of the worst invasions of privacy I can imagine. (Actual practical lock-changing advice, get one from a French DIY shop, the style's completely different to standard Yale and they simply screw in, it's a tenminute job. The normal locks act as a minature bar across the door and are v effective < / changng rooms>)

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

If you'd like me to come round with tools I'll come and change your locks for you if you want.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

you are a kind man, ed.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to quote Ed's post and make dirty jokes, but I don't think I need to; it's already innuendo-laden.

I can only echo the sympathies and recommendations of others in this thread, Martin. Here's hoping this was a one-time thing.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Suggestion to file a report with the police makes a lot of sense for a couple reasons. First, if ... this person ... decides to do something else or escalate her behavior, you've got a document. Second, if you're still involved in litigation, it's an issue you could bring up. And if you chose to pursue the matter, it's called defamation.

Again, my sympathies. If I were on the other side of the Atlantic I'd stop by and bring you some nice chicken noodle soup and/or beer.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 8 May 2003 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Best of luck Martin.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 8 May 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

oh dear. Please don't confront this person. Going to the police seems sensible, but I can't see how any good would come of contacting the person directly. Best wishes.

isadora (isadora), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Get your new girlfriend to start a bar brawl with her. That's what my ex did when faced with similar psycho-ness. Ahem.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

im sorry to hear of this martin, it is SO FUCKING INVASIVE and horrible, i hate that there are people who do this sort of thing to others.
i hope you have contacted the police and made a 'complaint', and that ed has come over and changed your locks for you!

:-)
@ ( thats a hug, btw, and i 'dont do hugs' normally but you deserve one over this )

donna (donna), Thursday, 8 May 2003 06:12 (twenty-two years ago)

You really do need a solicitor, Martin. Good luck.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin --

I have yet to read through this whole post, but something you mentioned up above (points upward in thread) has me thinking.

You say you can't even prove it wasn't you who sent the e-mail -- well, what makes you think that? It was obvious to me from your original post that you were out of the house at the time the e-mail was sent. You could have a strong alibi there, esp. if you were somewhere where you didn't have access to the Internet or if people saw you doing non-online things, which could cover your butt if you had web-based access to your e-mail account, which might not even be the case. I know with my ISP, I have to be at home to access my messages because I have to dl them onto my system before reading them. It will be very good for your case if you operate under similar circumstances.

Your lodger also has a strong alibi -- you admitted the individual doesn't have a password, nor does it appear that the person has any particular motive to send such a damaging e-mail to the people in your address book. You also mention that the only other person with easy access to your place is your ex-wife -- process of elimination! If she has the motive and has the means to do so, she will look very guilty in this situation. I know that in certain murder cases that are very difficult to solve, police use process of elimination to determine the only person who could've possibly committed the crime. (And if this isn't a crime, well it's about as harmful and serious as one.)

I'm glad people have recommended you change your locks and report the incident to the police. Even if you don't think it's that serious, think of it this way -- she could've easily walked off with numerous personal items, and that would've been serious enough to be an arrestable offence. Changing your locks -- gosh, you really should've done that as soon as she moved out, but since you learned that the hard way, it's better late than never. Deadbolt locks are good, and multiple locks are safer than just the one.

Good luck, and hope something really good comes out of this. Also, remember this -- revenge is a dish best served cold, and living well can be the best revenge. Show her who's the top dog here.

Take care.

Dee the Semi-Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, this is horrible - I feel awful for you. A crime has been commited here, so I would definitely get a solicitor, contact the fuzz and at least get a crime number. Even if it goes no further, you have recorded it. I don't know whether you can get them to dust for fingerprints, a solicitor would know. I don't know trespass law, though I reckon you might be on shaky ground here as she had a key, but the e-mail is certainly defamatory and libellous. You might have grounds for a retraining order keeping her away from your house, although again a solicitor would know better. I would not get in touch with her, but maybe a strong solicitor's letter once the legal position is clearer would be the next step.

Keep your chin up - hopefully you'll be able to put all this behind you soon. All the best.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:48 (twenty-two years ago)

dusting for fingerprints: the time our flat was broken into, the cops sent a fingerprint duster round the very next day, without us even asking. this is in ireland, but it may be the same in the UK. i hope you're feeling better today, martin.

rener (rener), Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, I'm so sorry. The sense of invasion of privacy is really really scary.

I've had my email account hacked - several years ago - by a jealous ex-boyfriend who sent nasty emails to everyone in my inbox. (However, he only did it online, I can't imagine how scary it would be to have them physically *in your space*.) In my case, there was very little I could do except call my ISP - who were extremely helpful and understanding.

But honestly, protect yourself. Get the police involved.

kate, Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Very sad to hear about this. There is good advice on this thread and, just as importantly, lots of emotional support should you need it. ILXors roXor. Take care Martin.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:16 (twenty-two years ago)

This sounds utterly mental, Martin - total sympathy for you and disgust at a person who could do such an intrusive/invasive thing. Best of luck at getting this sorted out.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, this is more than deranged, you need to notify authorities in case this is first step, there may be, as others have said, more to come.

if it is the person that you have intimated that it is, i think there is serious cause for concern, especially if there has been no contact for over a year. that would indicate an ability to move on from the situation, and what would seem to be a burning anger on their part. is there any reason that you can think of that would drive a person to such lengths? (could they have a misconception about something, think you are responsible for something you are not?).

surely there are mutual acquaintances/friends/people? what do they think? if the other person is this enraged and obsessed then i think it is likely to an extent that they are unable to hide this, something that is consuming them this much they must surely be giving vent to somewhere?

its difficult to think that someone would go to such lengths, without somehow having some sort of self-justification about it. do you have any way of knowing what this actually is? and who they are telling?

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 8 May 2003 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin I hope nothing like this happens again, the way in which you're acting so calmly about it is evidence enough that you don't deserve it.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 8 May 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

oops, typo, i meant inability to move on, not ability

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 8 May 2003 09:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I've nothing to add to the wise and sensible advice given so far. Just to say I hope it's a one off incident, you're far too nice a guy to deserve anything like this.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 8 May 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin - are the Willie Nelson albums safe?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 8 May 2003 09:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Jesus, man, that sounds like a complete nightmare. Still, I assume/hope most of the people in your address book know you well enough to dismiss this out of hand?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 8 May 2003 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin you have my sympathy, I really hope you've contacted the police.
Speaking as somebody who is dealing with a similar ex wife maniac situation right now (my boyfs ex is similarly vindictive and spiteful), the police prolly wont do much but you should at least report it (make sure you get a reference number though, coz here, if they don't go and see the perpetrator, the report just disappears off their system) in case it comes to a restraining order.
On the changing the locks thing - how well are you insured? Coz if it's reported as a crime you could claim your insurance for the locks, they'll send a wee bloke oot (or you could just get your keys/wallet nicked, wink wink nudge nudge etc) Hope no insurance people read this.....

smee (smee), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Firstly, thanks to all for the kind words and thoughts - they help a lot at a times like this. Special thanks to Ed for the offer, but I have already had the front door lock changed (back door is always bolted from the inside and in any case would require climbing through about ten other gardens). I have also contacted the police - I have to get back to them when I can be home for some hours, for them to come round, so that will wait until tomorrow. I will avoid touching the computer near the floppy drive, since I know the intruder used that. I will also try to avoid opening so many files that the document on the floppy disk vanishes from my recent documents list, as there would be no sense in my writing extreme sexual stuff away from the privacy of my own home then loading it up there. The only other computer I use is in our open-plan office at work!

Dee, the email was in the outbox, and only went out when I logged on, so the timing doesn't help me. Given that the last email downloaded was ten minutes before I got home, the 'send' can only have been pressed on the THREE emails to everyone in my address book (I emphasise three - if any recipient could come up with any reason for my writing such things in an email, and could imagine my accidentally sending it out to everyone in my address book, which isn't easy to do, it's obviously inconceivable that I'd accidentally send three!) within ten minutes of my getting home. I could have stopped it if I'd looked in my outbox before connecting, but who does that?

Gareth, the person in question has nothing to be angry with me about, and no reason to feel malice towards me, to the best of my knowledge. Changing the subject completely to my ex-wife, who I would never accuse in print of doing anything like this: we parted amicably, after my suicide attempt (her last words before I took 120+ pills: "Go on then"). It stayed amicable for a while. She'd ask how I was regularly. About 5 months after the split, I confessed to feeling really low, and clearly into the first bad bout of depression I'd suffered since the split. She immediately turned nasty in ways that, in retrospect, she'd plainly been saving up for her chosen moment.

More recently, I mentioned her extracting almost £2,000 from the 'joint' bank account, which she hadn't otherwise touched since our split, and has certainly paid nothing into. That was to her gain, but this incident isn't. If it were her doing this, it might be because she thinks that tipping me back into another bad depression, especially when I have no money left to hire a lawyer, might leave me in no state to defend myself in the court case next month.

There are no common friends. Every time she has changed location or job over the years, all her friends have been discarded. I don't know how much she would have called my friends hers too, but I'm pretty sure she has had no contact with them in ages. As far as I know, and as usual, she has kept in touch with no one from her life with me.

Dr C, I had a look at a few CDs and records and other things that I thought would be first to go, both for a random burglary or for the only person who could possibly have done this. Nothing missing, nothing damaged.

Andrew, I hope so. Certainly I can see no way in which, even if all of the email's contents were true, which they aren't, anyone could imagine my writing this into an email, then sending it to everyone, then sending it again. I've been pretty open about sexual matters here and with friends, but I've no idea whether anyone will think the false parts true. There's little I can do but continue to be open and honest. I'm not terribly bothered about that - I am bothered by the malice, and the fact that this stuff was sent to my family, who don't want or need to hear any of it, true or false.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

simple curiosity: how do you know the person used the floppy drive?

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, Does your ex know you post here?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, I read closer and see, now.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i wd assume anyone who wishes anyone ill is in fact lurking, to be on the safe (not to say sinister) side

martin i emailed you last night, but if you didn't see it yet, just to echo all possible best wishes (and gobsmacked outrage) as per above, and yes, what gareth said (w.typo corrected)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as I know, my ex has no knowledge of ILX, but if she looked at my bookmarks or internet history, or has googled me, she will know. I have no idea. I am not going to live my life as if I'm being watched by some psycho who wants to hurt me, so I will assume she is not following me around online or in person.

And thanks again for all the kind words and thoughts, everyone.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 8 May 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Stupidly, I didn't change my BT email password. So she has changed it. I can now not get at any email sent to the address you've seen here up to now, but she can. I've changed the password on another email I had, seen below, and emailed BT to ask them to stop these accounts, but she has the passwords and was the name on the account. If anyone gets any email apparently from me, please check the actual address, and please don't use my old address.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 11 May 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

At this point, I'd consider setting up a sting. Maybe get someone to mail you at that old address in such a way (perhaps with some innocuous promise of information) whereby her curiosity might be piqued enough to risk a response. It's a definite longshot, but it'd *really* be good to have an e-mail header or something to work with.

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 11 May 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Except if said person is also reading here (seems likely if email's been fux0red with) then anything said here is useless now.

Very worrying, and Martin I do hope you resolve this and it doesnt become ugly, best of luck...

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 11 May 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I have my old email account back! I had to talk to BT about other problems, and was able to get them to change the password for me. I'd redirected Yahoo groups and told all my friends, so almost all that was there was about 200 spam mails. This means either will do to contact me, once more.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 16 May 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

# Someone has been at my email [Started by Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), last updated 11 minutes ago] 1 new answer

huh

and what, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

Someone taking zing kultur a little too far into the realms of cretinousness/cuntishness, Ethan.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

ile is crazy today

and what, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

There was a new post deleted. Reviving sensitive threads for a lame joke isn't cool, guys.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)


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