making jokes about the Third Reich - classic or dud

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is it ever acceptable to make jokes about the Third Reich, or jokes based on concepts that have come into popular culture through the Third Reich?

my perception is that it is less acceptable to derive humour from the Third Reich now than it was twenty or thirty years ago, despite the Nazi period's recession further into the past.

examples of Nazi-based humour that may or may not be acceptable:

- that "Surf Nazis Must Die!" thing

- those comedy Nazis in the Blues Brothers

- various Monty Python sketches

- To Be Or Not To Be (both versions, neither of which I've seen)

- Freddie Starr (Hitler in shorts)

- The Great Dictator

- Triumph Of The Will

and many others. do you object to them? does comedy derived from the Third Reich somehow mock their victims, and does that in and of itself make it unacceptable?

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 May 2003 08:13 (twenty-two years ago)

my own view - the winning combination of uniforms, ranting, and being led by one of the weirdest bunch of freaks ever to command a country makes the Nazis inherently humourous, despite the colossally awful nature of their crimes.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 May 2003 08:20 (twenty-two years ago)

'Allo 'Allo

Alan (Alan), Friday, 9 May 2003 08:39 (twenty-two years ago)

'Allo 'Allo, Freddie Starr, many Jerry Lewis films - can we turn our back on all this great comedy? If we do, then the Nazis have already won.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 May 2003 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Springtime, for Hitler and Germany

Classic, obviously, especially if done by Jewish people:

  • The Producers (1968) - Mel Brooks [1 VHS, Amazon US]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000399WR.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg

    Mel Brooks's directorial debut remains both a career high point and a classic show business farce. Hinging on a crafty plot premise, which in turn unleashes a joyously insane onstage spoof, The Producers is powered by a clutch of over-the-top performances, capped by the odd couple pairing of the late Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder, making his screen debut.


    [...]


    Truly startling during its original 1968 release, The Producers does show signs of age in some peripheral scenes that make merry at the expense of gays and women. But the show's nifty cast (notably including the late Dick Shawn as LSD, the space cadet that snags the musical's title role, and Kenneth Mars as the helmeted playwright) clicks throughout, and the sight of Mostel fleecing his marks is irresistibly funny. Add Wilder's literally hysterical Bloom, and it's easy to understand the film's exalted status among late-'60s comedies. --Sam Sutherland for amazon.com

    Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Friday, 9 May 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

  • Ich liebe Dich, Ich Liebe Dich ... ach Lieb Me Alone

    Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Friday, 9 May 2003 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

    "Churchill was a lousy painter! Lousy! Now, Hitler! THERE was a painter... he could paint an entire two-bedroom apartment in one afternoon! Two coats!"

    Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 9 May 2003 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

    Boring. About time for Khmer Rouge and Taliban humour to take over. There should be a sitcom based in Taliban-era Afghanistan featuring two loveable rascals who have a wall toppled on them at the end of every episode.

    dave q, Friday, 9 May 2003 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

    It's likely to cause a Führer.

    N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 May 2003 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

    Aparrently the new CEO of my old company was visiting the Irish offices, and out with some of the top brass: quoth:

    CEO: Y'know, my father died at Auschwitz.
    Other guy: Oh.
    CEO: Yes, he fell off one of the guard towers.

    However, since this is the only joke anyone has ever heard him tell, it's possible that it's literal truth.

    Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 9 May 2003 09:51 (twenty-two years ago)

    Probably not, as that's a Bernard Manning joke

    dave q, Friday, 9 May 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

    Hitler blanks a donkey!

    ("censored" sketch from the last Kids in the Hall ep I believe)

    Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 9 May 2003 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

    About time for Khmer Rouge and Taliban humour to take over.

    they're not as funny.

    DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 May 2003 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

    Steve Bell's done good work on that front, though. The problem with doing comedy about it is that it's that alien a culture to Johnny FirstWorld that it'd probably border on racist even if Jeremy Hardy wrote it.

    Do make female castration jokes? No chance. Stoning jokes? Not this side of the Life of Brian. Maybe a Chelmsford 123 type scenario with a poor US envoy trying to administrate over there and some plucky locals who come up with hilarious and hair-brained schemes. Throw in gentle Last of the Summer Wine material wherein people end episodes rolling down mountains in abandoned tanks and you're probably laughing.

    Or a Brush Strokes-style young lothario heroin grower who is constantly close to getting the girl, but she always ends up washing down so much of his yen pox she becomes a tired, inhuman ghost of her former self.

    Nah, sorry, can't see it.

    Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 9 May 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

    someone on ILX once said they should make a sitcom about the two remaining Jews in Kabul (who spend their time bickering about who the real leader of Kabul's Jewish community is).

    DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 May 2003 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

    Oh yeah - that was me.

    N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 May 2003 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

    (saying they should make a sitcom about them, not also claiming to be the leader of Kabul's Jewish community)

    N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 May 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,627073,00.html

    N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 May 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

    Someone has dedicated an entire website to Allo Allo at http://www.coldcut.com/video/aa/

    Sadly, the web address is misleading, as Coldcut did not put this together.

    Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 May 2003 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

    could someone please be offended by the very existence of this thread?

    DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 May 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

    Well I never! (monocle pops out)

    NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 9 May 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

    OUTRAGEOUS

    There. Can't think of any reasons though. I'll go ask my grandparents.

    Frühlingsmute (Wintermute), Friday, 9 May 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

    Did ya see that Father Ted episode where everyone thinks he's a racist? That was a pretty good one.

    Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 9 May 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

    it's one of the more surreal ones... when he heads down the pub and it's full of Chinese people playing trad... weird.

    DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 May 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

    There's a great Smith and Jones sketch where they set up a meeting in a German war office between every nazi stereotype you can think of ("I am ze German office who is just a little bit gay"). I liked it a lot.

    Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

    officeR, obv.

    Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

    A meeting in a German war officer?

    Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

    DV, do you like Hitler?

    Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

    I got nothin fer Nazi jokes, but sometimes when I'm hot & sweaty, I'll say "damn, I'm sweatin like a Klansman at the Apollo here!". That is all.

    nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

    DV, do you like Hitler?

    no.

    I don't like George Bush either, and he is also very funny.

    DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

    http://www.oldmanmurray.com/features/69.html

    Stuart (Stuart), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

    isn't it Castle Wolfenstein which ends with you fighting a huge spider like monster WITH THE FACE OF ADOLF HITLER?

    I think it would be great if some actual Nazis starting posting to this thread and complaining about how we are belittling their wonderful philosophy.

    DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

    I don't know about "great" . . .

    bnw (bnw), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

    HOGAN!

    Colonel Klink (Nick A.), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

    Oh, those Nazis. They were such cut-ups.

    Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

    http://uk.geocities.com/zaz_fan/zaz_web_pages/tspics57.jpg
    Top Secret!

    Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 9 May 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

    whoops!
    http://uk.geocities.com/zaz_fan/zaz_web_pages/tspics57.jpg

    Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 9 May 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

    argh, ok, I'll just use this one:
    http://perso.wanadoo.fr/reddragon/Covers/T/Top%20Secret%20bcksmll.jpg

    Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 9 May 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

    I know a little German. He's sitting right over there.

    bnw (bnw), Friday, 9 May 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

    How do we know that you're not Mel Tourme?

    Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 9 May 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

    He's just a little horse.

    Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 9 May 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

    one year passes...
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    bosko, Monday, 14 June 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

    You should be able to joke about absolutley anything. More talk is always better than less.

    If someone makes a joke we perceive as offensive, fine, now we know what that person thinks and can debate it with him. It's better than just supressing everything we think and feel. That's probably the worst resultof the political correctness movement, the idea that not saying something, or tempering what we do say, is better than actually saying what we feel.

    David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 14 June 2004 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

    fourteen years pass...

    Friedelinde Wagner provides us with an example of [Hitler]'s teasing. Goering and Goebbels were both present at the time that he said to the Wagner family:

    "You all know what a volt is and an ampere, don't you? Right. But do you know what a goebbels, a goering are? A goebbels is the amount of nonsense one man can speak in one hour. And a goering is the amount of metal that can be pinned on one breast."

    difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 06:20 (six years ago)

    I read he was a gifted mimic in the Larvell Jones of Police Academy mold, and when he was boring his captive audiences with old war tales he would add his repertoire of artillery/drum rolls/horse clopping sound fx and probably could have done a mean human beatbox.

    calzino, Monday, 22 April 2019 07:45 (six years ago)

    did a good chamberlain apparently. if mimickry's aided by having someone's number, presumably a good goebbels and goering too

    difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 07:57 (six years ago)

    After all these years we finally know who he thought he was kidding

    mumsnet blvd (wins), Monday, 22 April 2019 07:59 (six years ago)

    I read a book on humour inside the third reich in the summer that my undergrad in university was ending. About what everyday people were able to say within a totalitarian state in order to get by and keep living.
    NOt sure which it was may have been Underground Humour in Nazi Germany, 1933-1945 by F. K. M. Hillenbrand

    BUt things seemed to be chaotic and people needed to have some outlet to keep them going.

    Stevolende, Monday, 22 April 2019 08:22 (six years ago)

    Strasser threatened to split the Party if a definite program could not be agreed upon. Hitler avoided the situation as long as he possibly could in the hope that something might happen, that the situation would somehow solve itself. When it did not he agreed to Strasser's demand for a meeting in Leipzig at which their differences could be thrashed out. Strasser was in the restaurant at the appointed hour. Hitler came late. Hardly had he sat down to the table when he excused himself in order to go to the toilet. Strasser waited for some time and when Hitler did not return he began making inquiries. To his amazement he discovered that instead of going to the toilet Hitler had slipped out the back door and driven back to Munich.

    difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 08:33 (six years ago)

    classic pwnage and that's how you nip factionalism in the bud!

    Volker Ullrich's completely humourless second volume on Hitler was completed last year but is still unpublished in Germany, so perhaps it might be next year before there is an English edition.

    calzino, Monday, 22 April 2019 08:47 (six years ago)

    that's how you nip factionalism in the bud!

    night of the bog skives

    difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 08:51 (six years ago)

    a+!

    calzino, Monday, 22 April 2019 08:51 (six years ago)

    think we talked about the ullrich book a few years ago and i was like oh i'm def reading that soon. today i can report i almost bought it

    difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 08:56 (six years ago)

    today i can report i almost bought it

    Which was Hitler said after the von Stauffenberg plot.

    Freddie Starr (Hitler in shorts) (Tom D.), Monday, 22 April 2019 08:59 (six years ago)

    hah!

    calzino, Monday, 22 April 2019 09:01 (six years ago)

    strong showing for "classic" here

    difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 09:03 (six years ago)

    feel like a broken clock on this topic tbh

    deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Monday, 22 April 2019 10:22 (six years ago)

    ten months pass...

    In gratitude for the services he had provided to German-Japanese friendship, Hitler presented Oshima with the highest German medal, the Large Golden Cross of the Order of the German Eagle. Afterwards the Führer amused his entourage by telling them he had temporarily forgotten what the medal was called when he was presenting it to the ambassador.

    calzino, Friday, 6 March 2020 00:39 (five years ago)

    why am i picturing Johnson doing that shtick?

    Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Friday, 6 March 2020 00:41 (five years ago)

    Hitler clearly had a terrible Tight Five.

    Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 6 March 2020 00:41 (five years ago)


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