Is Tottenham the only affordable place left to buy in Zones 1-3?

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For a first time buyer on about £20K a year with about 10K as deposit. Is it even affordable?

I'm not planning to buy, or anything.

I suspect there may be places in SE London, actually.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)

i was just about to start a thread 'What is with all these threads about bloody Tottenham?'

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:13 (twenty-three years ago)

That's looking like a purchase price of £100,000, outside £110,000.

Fish 4 homes has no way of doing zones but clapham and elepahnt and castle have places going for that kind of money.

Interesting that the first item on the list is just outside Calais, soon to be London's newest commuter town.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Elephant still, eh? That has got to be the smart choice.

Clapham?? Are you sure?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:27 (twenty-three years ago)

To be fair the elaphan one showed a picture of a particularly oppressive looking block of flats. Estate agents are notoriously loose with their area descriptions. I've noticed a few new invented ones recently too.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:31 (twenty-three years ago)

yea i think calais is about to blow up by the looks of things, or is it already happening.

what about charlton, willesden, white city, blackwall, beckton, plaistow, kidbrooke etc

i also wonder about those places on the north circular, a lot of them
are boarded up, so they cant be selling?

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Once the CTRL is open Eurostar have promised to start a Calais-Ashford-Ebbsfleet-London Commuter service.

Blackwall is getting pricey now, and popular, a lot of new build going up.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Ex-Local Authority studio flats probably the only things going for five figures now, even in SE London. Saw an ad for a nice one in Denmark Hill the other day - £92k. An £82k repayment mortgage is going to be around £550pcm?

There were plenty of one- and two-bedroom Victorian conversions around Forest Hill and Crystal Palace 18 months ago for £100-£110; they're a lot more than that now, I'm afraid.

(I'm secretly hoping this means Nick is moving back and will end up as JtN & Mandee's comedy lodger in New Cross.)

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:56 (twenty-three years ago)

humph.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't see you getting a place in Willesden for that, they're tarting it up big time. Plaistow maybe or one of those awful places in SE London (not including Greenwich/ Blackheath of course)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Plaistow maybe or one of those awful places in SE London (not including Greenwich/ Blackheath of course)

Check a tube map, you cheeky swine. Oh, and you can FORGET about pumpkin pie this year.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:11 (twenty-three years ago)

White City is probably being re-labelled North Kensington to increase the price/prestige. White City barely exists as it is anyway - everything to the west of Wood Lane/BBC Centre would probably fall under East Acton (affordable if you don't mind sharing a loft with 13 Australians) but everything to the east e.g. Latimer Road is pretty grim, thus affordable if not quite bearable (what with the noise of the Westway and all)

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:12 (twenty-three years ago)

one of those awful places in SE London (not including Greenwich/ Blackheath of course)

he means the area between Catford and Woolwich perhaps, but i figure Lewisham area is probably no cheaper than Willesden, but Hither Green might be an option

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:15 (twenty-three years ago)

They've been doing that with White city for a while Stevem, I always used to get confused when looking for flats and trying to work out where North Kensington was.

Jonesy, you are, in my mind in proper South London, I was thinking of Catford/Woolwich etc. Where you live is delightful

mmmmmmm pie

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I suspect most of the decent bits of SE London (ie Forest Hill, C Palace and parts of Lewisham, Catford and Sydenham) are beginning to balloon in value... I wouldn't touch the rest of SE London with a fucking barepole (especially Kidbrooke) although I have a feeling you could get a fairly decent place in Eltham or somewhere for pretty cheap.

Hither Green is quite nice though, but its proximity to an incredibly convenient mainline station might push that up.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:19 (twenty-three years ago)

that;'s weird.. my backslash grovel gag didn't show up

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:20 (twenty-three years ago)

South London is wonderful, oh South London is wonderful, it's full of tits, fanny and Wombles, oh South London is wonderful.

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Eltham mings to high heaven (despite some lovely surrounding countryside), I would've thought Kidbrooke is better.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

It isn't.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Seriously, Kidbrooke is fucking GRIM. It's weird actually, because at the top of Kidbrooke Park Road is all glorious big posh Victorian houses (but this is technically Blackheath by virtue of being nice and five minutes from the heath), and then you walk down the hill and the place just drops away and suddenly turns into this horrible godforsaken hole. The Ferrier estate in particular is really nasty and kind of dominates the area.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:47 (twenty-three years ago)

the ferrier estate is perhaps one of the most desparate places i have seen in london

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:51 (twenty-three years ago)

thats one thing i notice more in SE LOndon than other areas - the narrower proximity and overlap of palaces and slums.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 14:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Short of the horriblest estates down from Elephant & Castle, I think there is little to beat my area for price. East Ham is zone three, as are Upton Park and Plaistow, and they are all much nicer than E&C, and you can be a few hundred yards from the tube. I'm not sure that you could get 5x your salary (I know some promote that, but I'm told it's almost impossible to actually get), so you might struggle to go above 90k, and I'm not sure there's much like that available. It's cheaper here than Tottenham. The low prices are due to terrible schools and the highest proportion of non-white people in the UK, but if you're not racist and are without kids, I can't see how those are drawbacks. It is a long way out, as Zone 3 goes.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

But E&C is so central!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I had friends in Plaistow once. There was nothing much wrong with it instrinsically, but there was nothing good about it either and it was MILES AWAY even from Hackney.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Proximity to Proper Central London = rubbish criteria for choosing where to live, Nick.

Especially with *ahem* a world-class transport system like ours.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 07:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's a great criterion. Over time all inner city hellholes have become desirable. It will be a long time yet before the trend reverses.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, they are planning to knock down the entire E&C shopping centre and a couple of the council estates, re-route that whole strangulating traffic system and build a load of shit to cash in on the Eurostar, the Globe and the Tate Modern in the near future, so expect the place to become very gentrified indeed over the next 10-15 years.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:16 (twenty-three years ago)

You'll have to live on a ginormous building site in the meantime, though ;)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:17 (twenty-three years ago)

A bit late to cash in on the eurostar, given that its moving to St Pancras from Waterloo in 2005.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd just like to see Elephant and Castle completely removed, as an area, a concept and memory. It's shit.

― alix (alix), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:52 (twenty-three years ago)

the Eurostar will run from both St Pancras AND Waterloo still i thought

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Elephant and Castle will become the best bourgeois playground in the world ever Alix, and you will regret not moving there while you had the chance.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

St pancras only, they dod have a crazy scheme to run trains to st pancras and from waterloo but that was scrapped as the ravings of a loon. Not quite sure what waterloo international will be used for from 2005.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Bourgeois playpen!

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:05 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...

This seems like a reasonable revive.

I want to buy a house. Under 250k, two (or, in my dreams, 3) bedrooms, preferably within zones 1 and 2.

a. am I out of my fucking mind to be considering Elephant & Castle?
b. am I out of my fucking mind to be expecting to find a property within the above criteria?
c. where else isn't horrible? I hear good-ish things about Walthamstow. If I thought I'd get anything more than a shack, I'd stay where I am (Bow).

― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, yet another London property prices thread! Argh!

it's so frustrating to see how cheap 2003 was by comparison with now. :-(

― Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

I take it you mean a home rather than a house?

― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

I've always wanted to live in Vauxhall. 10-minute walk to Westminster and absolutely nothing going on there. Nobody ever thinks of living there, right? Maybe it's not too pricey? (The only possible fault I see in my scheme is that there are approximately 12 houses in the whole of Vauxhall.)

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

I like Zone 8

― Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

It's starting to be pushing it to get 2 bedrooms fro 250k anywhere in zone 2.

― Ed, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

a) dont buy in e&c
b) you can get a reasonable 2bed place for under 250 yes in zone2
c) try southeast london. otherwise clapton and stamford hill may still be doable for you, but you will have to be quick. harringey is zone 3, but things dont seem to be moving as fast there. there was an amazing 2 bed place on geldeston rd, e5 the other week for 250, but it had gone, so there are still things around, but you will have to act quick, im now seeing one bed places for 250 on that st

― 600, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.e5hackney.com/

2beds for 235

― 600, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Is no one answering my Vauxhall question because it is patently ridiculous? Or because it really is the blind spot of London?

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

I have a friend who lives between there and stockwell, it ain't cheap.

― Ed, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

It certainly FEELS cheap, except for Vauxhall Grove

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, sorry, i mean "a home" rather than "an entire building, specifically. A flat, part of a house, a maisonette, whatever.

What's wrong with Elephant? People always say "it's really rough" but people say that about basically absolutely everywhere esp Hackney, Bethnal Green, Mile End, Bow etc and I've lived in all of those places for the best part of a decade without (too much) hassle.

The only reason i want a 2 bed is so some sucker can pay half my mortgage but in my dream world i'll find a one-bed i can actually afford that isn't in the sticks or some awful sink estate. What's Holloway like? What's Pimlico like? Vauxhall is a good point.

― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

go have a look at some! go see ones in elephant first. your problem with places like elephant is the property is quite divided, that you havent a hope in hell of affording, or the sink estates you said you didnt want to move into. but maybe im wrong go look for yourself

whats your price range for a one bed? holloway isnt cheap. pimlico...i dont know, id think pretty pricey. vauxhall...could be?

im currently debating stamford hill vs southeast (the debate is concerning the 30-35k difference)

― 600, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

people always say pimlico is cheapish... odd place but why would it be cheap?

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

haha sorry, the word "cheap" looks pretty silly on this kind of thread.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

Well?

― Patrice Leclerc Delacroix Poussin (admrl), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)

I'm still considering it.

― Alba, Monday, 8 August 2011 22:43 (fourteen years ago)

Me too!

― Patrice Leclerc Delacroix Poussin (admrl), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)

what's affordable?

plenty of decent places round Nunhead/Brockley for less than 250

― + +, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 10:51 (fourteen years ago)

There's not much in Nunhead though - really short on amenities and shops and stuff (probably a good thing right now but generally...) and the general quietness means it can feel sketchy in places.

Brockley is generally nice - big tree-lined streets, and there are some decent places opening round the station.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 10:58 (fourteen years ago)

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