Rule of Threes: Tottenham, hottest place on ILX

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What's with all the buzz surrounding London's newest trendy (sub)urb of Tottenham?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

this isn't funny!

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

For a while, Tottenham Hale was the only Victoria Line stop I had never used. Then I started using the Stansted Express from there. But it really is a bit of a desert, what with trendy Walthamstow to the east and err.. handy Finsbury Park to the west. OK, Seven Sisters is a bit of a no no too.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

walthamstow=clerkenwell

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

clerkenwell never had E(ast)17.

― MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Piss off Gareth, Walthamstow isn't full of punchable trustafarians and new meeja offices. It's wonderful.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooh right - so if you've got a #73 to Tottenham, what bus do you then get if you want to carry on to Walthamstow?

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

get a 123 that goes up Forest road and then get off at the Bell and get a bus up Hoe street. Weirdly there isn't a bus that goes straight from Tottenham to the Stow.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

are you sure you wouldnt rather live in Uxbridge chris? ;)

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Oooh, cheers Chris. That do seem peculiar, don't it just! I am very happy that the N73 continues all the way to Walthamstow. God knows how long that will take to get there though. This means easy hometimes from Victoria, Oxford Street and Kings X and the Angel! Yay!

Hold on, Walthamstow = Clerkenwell??? JUSTIFY? You FREAK?

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Personally, I am just overjoyed with the recent resurgance of Londoncentrism on ILE. Take that, NYC fuX0rs!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Positive Steve, it's not nice out here.

Sarah, it's not that bad actually, and even quicker if you go for an N55 (it may be an N56) which drops you off at the Bakers arms and is a lot quicker.

The N73 gets you home nice and easy from the Betsey too.

I've really fallen out with Gareth over that remark.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

There is a bus that goes from tottenham to the stow, the 230, goes from wood green, past the swan, past seven sisters and tottenham hale, blackhorse road, st James st, walthamstow, lea bridge rd, (presumably along hoe st, on to Wood St and upper 'stow.

the joy that is http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/route_maps.shtml

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

London R0XX hard! There's even a zoo!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

That is one of the oddest routes I've ever seen! Very handy for Sarah though.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

If Walthamstow = anything, it's Rotherhithe or East Greenwich circa 1999 for sheer chum concentration. Even my boss lives there.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I am none to happy with Clerkenwell being described as 'full of punchable trustafarians'. Tehy may work in the meeja offices but the people who live there tend to be cycle couriers, postmen and of course me.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Why did I think you were in Newcastle, Ed?

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Talking of which Jonesy, check yr mail.

I stand by my Clerkenwell assertions, as is my right.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I divide my time between Sheffield and EC1R.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Well then I stank by my right to be offended.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

(best typo ever)

My boss also lives in Walthamstow, as do at least 3 goths of my passing acquiantance, 2 of whom I've never seen, 1 of whom I've spotted twice but each time been too tired or grumpy to bother saying hello.

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I've just started using the Tescos on Tottenham High Road. Only 5 minutes from Stamford Hill on the bus and it's a hell of a lot better than our crappy local Safeways.

― James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i only meant that clerkenwell and walthamstow seem to have a crossover demographic. of course, this has only become true over the last couple of years.

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you spent much time in Walthamstow lately Gareth? Even Walthamstow's trendy Village area is full of teachers and nursing students. They're nothing like each other, especially in demographics.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

finish him!

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Walthamstow = Crouch End, if only because it's full of bloody ILXORs.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

yes but crouch end also=clerkenwell;)

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I think comparing the two on a saturday morning will explode that myth.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

My brother worked in Tottenham's big hospital (North Middlesex or something?) and really didn't have a lot of nice things to say about it or the area.

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Because Clerkenwell is scarily people free on a weekend?

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

indeed

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I've only been there once.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

'Scarily'? I relish the lack of people on the streets of Clerkenwell come the weekend, it's all diasporic Italians for church and the adjacent shop, resting cycle couriers and a steady trickle of fashion and design kiddies headed to Magma. I like people who dress up funny, so there.

None of the meeja office workers in the vicinity actually live here; they go back to less glamourous parts within 30 minutes of last orders (and you're welcome to them and their nasty cheap Dotty P and Next suits, zones 2-6).

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

clerkenwell=crouch end=walthamstow=bourgeois playpens

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

That is absurdly reductionist. There are so many shades of class and social strata. Walthamstow's population influx is more like Stoke Newington, five years behind. Plus loads of teachers.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

and one of the biggest ethnic mixes I've seen in London, certainly more so than Willesden.

Gareth, I have to say, you're talking bollocks. And I note you're not mentioning Islington in that little group of locations?

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i didnt mention it no. but it certainly belongs also.

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)

nick is OTM. more so than my admittedly reductionist take. walthamstow is 100% following in stoke newingtons path. stratford is also on that path, though further behind

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

really? does that mean we're going to get more than one decent restaurant? that may be a good thing. so long as we don't start getting less pound shops and markets and more swanky boutiques.

The pound shops and weird food shops are one of the best things about the Stow

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Along with the transport links, ability to get out into the countryside quickly, nice park, Excellent Market practically every day of the week, fantastic sausage shop, lack of any pretensions whatsoever (apart from by estate agents, but what can you expect?)...

― Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 07:58 (twenty-two years ago)

lack of any pretensions whatsoever (apart from by estate agents, but what can you expect?)...

I think my wiser co-habitant has just summed up why the stow won't be turning into nu-stokey.

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 07:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Please do not forget Stoke Newington High Street.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Good point, N - the contrast between SN High Street and Church Street is pretty stark.

― James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:16 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

ed was wrong about tottenham. so unhot it didnt even manage to be the primary neighbourhood on its own thread

― Storefront Church (688), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

Although two ILXers have moved to Tottenham since the thread started, so it's possibly hotter than it was.

I don't think it's very hot.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

Never ever been to Tottenham unless you count passing through Tottenham Hale station on the Northern Line. Gets a bit ominous after Stamford Hill.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

when I was unemployed I used to have to go to the dole office on Tottenham High Road. I am not sure why, Edmonton would have been more sensible seeing as that was where I was actually living at the time. W3 bus along White Hart Lane, then brisk walk past the Spurs ground with the Corner Pin pub with its luxuriant covering of moss, which thrived owing to ppl pissing up the wall, or so local legend had it.

― New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

I've lived in Wood Green and Edmonton so I've been through Tottenham quite a bit, although I only really know the area around Seven Sisters and the High Road. There's not much to recommend the place. The area around Bruce Grove is pretty dodgy. Upper Edmonton's not too great either.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

Bruce Castle Park is ok. I like the museum in the castle. And Bruce Grove was home to Luke Howard, Namer of Clouds.

I was born in upper Edmonton (North Middlesex Hospital as mentioned by the Kaiser upthread). My father worked in the supplies department of the North Mid for many years until he got a similar job at the Whittington in Highgate.

― New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

Never ever been to Tottenham unless you count passing through Tottenham Hale station on the Northern Line.

Erm...

― Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

correction: Victoria Line, not Northern (somehow I keep thinking of the tube ride to Walthamstow as a Northern run).

To me I'm afraid that whole enclave of NE London looks like the kind of place only Iain Sinclair could love.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm actually going to Tottenham tonight for the game. I might go to the Swan!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

my friend played a gig at the Swan and said it was rather terrifying and that the ppl in the audience looked as though it was the first time they'd been out of the house that year.

― New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

aw, it's ok bless it, although we're officially south tottenham which kind of doesn't rly exist, more like "bit between tottenham and stamford hill that doesn't have a centre"...

is the swan still open?

i love this thread though.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

Bear in mind, of course, that in London-related matters I'm an SW snob and therefore biased.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

what is actually yr local, Steve?

― New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

Personally, I am just overjoyed with the recent resurgance of Londoncentrism on ILE.

hueg lolz @ "recent resurgance"

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

My main association with Upper Edmonton is blocks of flats with lifts stinking of puke and piss, unfortunately. I had a friend who lived in one. Her flat was quite nice but getting up to it wasn't.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

clerkenwell=crouch end=walthamstow=bourgeois playpens

What madness is this? I've lived in Crouch End and live in Walthamstow and they're about as similar as Highgate and Hackney.

― Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

well my mum's house couldn't be more different from the accomodation Colonel Poo has described - it is a spacious terraced house with mock Tudor gable end staright out of sitcom-land. Mind you whilst it is postally in Edmonton (N18) it is on the western side of the A10 just south of the North Circular; most of which is Palmers Green (N13) including my primary school, Oakthorpe.

― New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

When you get west of North Middlesex Hospital it does get nicer, when you get to that Palmers Green borders part. I don't really think of that as being Edmonton, that's just my perception of it though!

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

The public house nearest to my front door is the Woodberry Tavern on seven sisters road, but i have not been in, as it's a little intimidating. we have (at the moment) got the Oakdale Arms just up the road though, which is a Proper Ale Pub, hurrah. but it might close and get knocked down and flats built on it soon, boo.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

I am not sure that I ever been up the section of Seven Sisters Road between the station of that name and Manor House; have done the other bit loads of times as is on 29 bus route from my mum's into central London. My nan was a patient in St Ann's Hospital for a while - it's an odd place.

― New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

I like the wideness of the Seven Sisters Road between Manor House and the turn-off for Clapton Common. Plus it takes you past the Excelsior Hotel.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

and the turn-off for Clapton Common.

sorry I mean Stamford Hill etc.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

I wish there was a bus that took me directly from Stamford Hill to Tottenham Hale station. Probably my #1 'non-existent yet urgent and key' bus route addendum. It means if I fancy increasing my carbon footprint I have to take THREE buses from Clapton to do so or get a cab.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

YES, i totally agree, or one that went from Manor House to Tottenham Hale. it's SO annoying and makes 0 sense...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

many years ago the 230 used to do Manor House to Tottenham Hale (en route to Leytonstone, but then they diverted it to run up West Green Road to Turnpike Lane and Wood Green instead.

― New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Finsbury Park -> Manor House -> Stamford Hill -> South Tottenham -> Tottenham Hale -> Walthamstow and beyond

might be a good, handy new route for a single decker

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

If you could arrange for that bus to start at Camden Town and work its way up Camden Road before Finsbury Park that would be perfect for me.

― Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to remember whether High Cross is one of the Eleanor Crosses, or not.

I have only been to Tottenham Hale when there have been problems related to trains.

1st time: aged 9, my mum and I had been to a little village in the Essex countryside called Roydon, station little more than a wayside halt, no timetable, staff, announcements, nuffink. Boarded train for Silver Street. was wrong train and went to Tottenham Hale. Ticket collector waved by mum through with a "don't worry about it, love"

2nd time: after 7/7, Piccadilly line out of action.

3rd time: after a FAP/Poptimism/gig (not sure which), heading back towards mum's on Vic line, fell asleep on Tube, missed Finsbury Park interchange onto Piccadilly.

time 1: homeward bound on 41, changing at Turnpike Lane.
times 2 & 3: directly to my mum's on W4, a bus route seemingly TAILOR MADE for her.

So sometimes Tottenham bus route directions do change in someone's favour.

― New Mark H (New MarkH), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Vaguely related - they're introducing a 102 nightbus! This is good news for me as now if I'm visiting friends in Edmonton I don't have to cut the evening short to get back home (too skint to pay for taxis).

Alexandra Park Road residents are already moaning about the (potential) noise though.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

it's a wonder they can put gigs on at Ally Pally then!

― New Mark H (New MarkH), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

..and get a bus up Hoe street.

(giggles)

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

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