Monsieur Graham Taylor, il fait Bugger Off aujourd'hui

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I for one am very relieved, even though officially I don't care. But where now, little man? And who will occupy the hot seat in the boiling cauldron of Villa Park? And what kind of financial pressure? Has he got a big mortgage?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

what a lot of football threads

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, it's great.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

How much did Pompey get for Peter Crouch again? 5 Million? and thanks for Merson and Stone on freebies. Graham Taylor funded Pompey's promotion bid [re wages for new signings], we could not have done it without Graham Taylor's help, thanks GT.

Maybe we can buy back Crouch for say 1.5 Million, and use him probably re tactics.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Villa has been a disaster recently. They need a manager who the players want to play for, so they don't continue the downward spiral of good players leaving and talented players doing nothing. The players they have, they should be doing better already, and they certainly have the resources to be looking more towards European qualification than relegation.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw this in the bookies... probably to expected, but Villa surely fit in with Spurs and Middlesborough as a club whose fans have much greater expectations than a club of their size and ability should. Whoever takes over is going to have to be some manner of wunderkind. Paul Hart was the first thought, but I doubt Villa have the transfer funds to tempt him away from Forest. Was Burley installed full time at Derby? If not, he could be a good bet.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Hart is a pretty decent bet, if Forest don't go up.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - I heard O'Leary was in the frame!

― Bill E (bill_e), Thursday, 15 May 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i personally am upset to see Taylor go. he was trying to build a decent squad of young talented players with loyalty to him. Gudjohnssen, Barry and hitzelberger could be the midfield of the future with a bit of a chance and we have the makings of a good team. sadly this will probably be lost with the advent of a new manager who will impose his own ideas and more chaos.

i would not compare us to spurs of middlesborough. that is nonsense. both these clubs are next door to much bigger grander neighbours. we are a newcastle - pre bobby robson. easily the biggest team in the area and if we ever got a decent season capable of crowds to match man utd and liverpool and dwarfing arsenal. but with an evil despot in charge with all his henchlings interfering beneath him i doubt whether that will be seen for q. a while.

Sorry portsmouth fan but you are welcome to the dinosaurs we gave you. stone was never any good and merson only plays when he is in the mood, which i guarantee he wont be very often in the premiership.

i heard david platt is bookies favourite. might not be too bad. please god save us from oleary or even worse graham. i dont think hart has really done all that much yet but him or burley would not bring the kind of despair that either former leeds honcho would.

― arthur woodlouse (arthur woodlouse), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear George Graham's free...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

we are a newcastle - pre bobby robson. easily the biggest team in the area

I think Birmingham City fans may want to take issue with this? I thought that the fanbases were pretty similar, how different are gates?

― chris (chris), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't rate Taylor much, but he deserves some sympathy for inheriting tools like Alpay, Angel and Balaban. How can you achieve anything when you've got a constant background of disruption and dissent? With the right management there could be a cracking team at Villa in a year or two - Hitzlespurger (sp?), Vassall, Samuel, Barry etc are all good players. He should have played Allback earlier in the season though.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

without any facts to back me up
i would say within the city itself the fan bases are fairly equal
but villa have a huge amount of fans from throughout the rest of the midlands
whereas those blues have none.

i know they would argue with that and they beat us soundly twice but that is my anecdotal opinion.

i reckon we get about 3/4,000 more then them gatewise but bear in mind that was our worst season in about 10 seasons and their best in about 25 years.

do i sound defensive? maybe.

― arthur woodlouse (arthur woodlouse), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

no, all fair points Mr Woodlouse, I didn't know the spread of fandom around the midlands, and Birmingham have got a certain annoying quality about them, but that may just be the Savage factor, plus David Gold seems pretty irritating.

Schnitzelsperger was on loan at Chesterfield last season and was head and shoulders better than most around him.

― chris (chris), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Birmingham City = Millwall of the Midlands, surely?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i am trying to gracious about them
but they do have the some very offensive players in their team
and managemant structure

steve bruce was always a *&^%. esp at man utd. and as a manager he has the morals of cockroach on smack.

the wiener schnitzel is a damn fine player.
villa are only about 4 players and a lot of confidence away from being a good team - i know that isnt a popular view but i think it to be so.

or they were.

― arthur woodlouse (arthur woodlouse), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Villa's major successes (minus League cups) - winning the league and the European Cup - all coincided with Deadly Doug's temporary absence from the club. Oh the irony.

Though what I think Taylor has been alluding too is that the idea that Villa could become a force again is really difficult to envisage due to the nature of the modern game - exacerbated doubtless by the way the club is being run in his view, but even if all goes well, i don't think he can see a way for the club to make the jump into the top tier of the Prem, and he knows that in the absence of people waking up and realising the premiership needs massive reform, he'll take the flak for all of that and thinks 'sod that of a game of soldiers'. Naturally the press present this as some sort of spat between him and Ellis, which is the way of these things.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

watch how angel and balaban now go and score for fun abroad

i'm curious to see how well o'leary can manage with no ££. i don't think he's that bad myself. platt was certainly poor at forest, venables-esque even

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

mellberg, barry, hitzlsperger and vassell are a good spine to be getting on with

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i never understood the angel thing
why Mr GT never played juan pablo?
i know there were problems but...

mind you we have so many potentially good forwards it is ludicrous

allback, angel, vassell, moore and crouch
avoiding the dublin thing obviously.

― arthur woodlouse (arthur woodlouse), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Having read today's super soaraway Sun, which some mentalist left on the bus, I am a bit more inclined to give GT some credit.

Hey Chris, what about West Brom? Much nicer than Birmingham City, especially in the Big Ron era.

I think Villa only have fans in the west(ern) Midlands, there certainly weren't many round our way. I think they were considered somehow effeminate.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 15 May 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Coleman becoming manager at Fulham leaves Klaus Toppmoller open, and he seems as likely a candidate as any, getting a side of fairly unfashionable players to great heights at Leverkusen (then they sort of fell off... a lot) seems like the kind of man Ellis would like. As opposed to the rather more fractious Mr O'Leary.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 May 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

o'leary immediatly improved leeds as soon as he was appointed, before he started spending madly.

― matthew james (matthew james), Thursday, 15 May 2003 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i heard a rumour a few months ago that if graham taylor left christian gross might replace him,anyone know anything about this?

― robin (robin), Thursday, 15 May 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

west brom = boing boing baggies = lovely club (and lovely fans apparently from the Guardians end of season questionnaire) But they always seem a bit disrtant from all the fierce rivalry round there to me, I'm probably wrong.

― chris (chris), Friday, 16 May 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The very idea of Christian Gross managing another Prermiership club fills me with joy.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 May 2003 07:29 (twenty-two years ago)

whoever it is it will probably be a surprise
the last 3 managers have all resigned so
and caught the board on the hop so i reckon all go on holiday for the summer
come back and then panic and pick the first name they can think of.

will probably end up with Collymore.

― arthur woodlouse (arthur woodlouse), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's give a big ILE welcome to... THE NUN! I'm very pleased, I might even find out who the players are and stuff next year, get myself a nice key fob and bobble hat.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 24 May 2003 07:41 (twenty-two years ago)

where did the name "the nun" originate?

My brothers father in law uses it all the time.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I love o'leary he made leeds great and then over spent and it all came crashing down but i say better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all (or Tottenham as it is otherwise known).

But

Why Villa, a mediocre team going nowhere with a chairman who is a dick with an attitude, if i was o'leary i would have waited till the start of the season, seen who was sacked (Dave Jones anyone) and jumped in with a div 1 team who at least had some prospects.

Do i want Villa relegated, this is a dream every season but this season im torn.

― james (james), Sunday, 25 May 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I first heard THE NUN used here, on super soaraway ILE, and I liked it. I guess it has to do with his angelic demeanour and that wimple-esque hairstyle back in the day. This is the first time I've had any interest in anything at Villa since mentally felt-tip penning Brian Little's sidies on every week.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps it was me that used it, the father in law is a major gooners fan. Yes I love the name "the Nun", the landlord in the forest gate, he was a funny character, I watched Liverpool pound Leeds 5-0 that time and he kept screaming stuff like "NO BEDTIME STORIES FOR THE LITTLE DARLINGS TONIGHT EH".

There were whelks on the bar. Happy days.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 31 May 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...

O'Leary pleads with fans
Aston Villa boss David O'Leary has asked fans not to turn on the players as they battle to beat the drop.
Fans are planning a mass protest before Saturday's game with Southampton against chairman Doug Ellis's tight hold on the transfer budget.

O'Leary is concerned his players' fragile confidence will be affected by any terrace unrest.

The Villa boss said: "If the crowd start getting on them, it can undermine the players."

"The fans come and want to see a good football side having success so they are going to be frustrated.

We need more than ever the support of the Villa fans
Villa boss David O'Leary
"But it is no good them getting frustrated and lowering the confidence of the players because that it is going to make it worse.

"This season more than any other the team is going to need the support of the fans" added O'Leary.

The Villa boss said: "I've not yet detected a feeling amongst the lads that they would rather be playing away from home.

"I've a quiet bunch of players. They are not big, strong characters.

"I don't think the crowd turning on them would help them in any way.

"We need more than ever the support of the Villa fans."

Supporters groups have united under the banner of 'Villa Fans Combined' to try to put pressure on Ellis and the remainder of the board to provide the investment they feel is needed to preserve Villa's top flight status.

O'Leary insists he was given only £4m to spend for the entire season and that was used up on the summer signings of Thomas Sorensen and Gavin McCann from Sunderland.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/3233052.stm

Published: 2003/11/24 10:55:47 GMT

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 24 November 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Villa are going nowhere regardless of who's managing.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 24 November 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

shouldnt it be "il faut que tu bugger off..."

― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 November 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

thirteen years pass...

RIP

― Neil S, Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:56 (nine years ago)

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