the next big gadget...

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...will be a handheld VoIP + internet phone that accesses 802.11 networks. Due to the DHCP in use on almost all WLAN, in order to be able to recieve calls there will have to be a centralized system of servers like the ones that run AIM or something similar to allow the phones to login and receive packets no matter which network you are on. Cellular providers are v. worried that this (the prototype for 4G telecom service) might happen without them. Presumably Verizon et al.'s big idea behind installing 802.11 WAPs at nearly every payphone in NYC and elsewhere is to preempt this from happening - a little handheld that runs linux and a simple SIP application using distributed servers to route traffic could certainly turn the major telecommunications companies on their heads. It's like KaZaA for long distance and cellular service = TOO SCARY, BABY!

So, uh. What do you all think?

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

he's talkin funny talk!

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

they have to iron out the quality issues with VoIP. A lot of systems are half duplex and there are always problems with streams over packet switched networks. However the bandwidth is there even if it isn't lit yet. one should be wary of the WiFi bubble that's already being talked about but it could pose a real problem for those companies that have shelled out for 3G spectrum. Bugger all use for rural areas though.

An interesting little development is that someone has written a little voice messaging programme for 2.5G/3G phones. It's kind of like turning your phone into a walkie talkie but you can use your data services to send voice at much lower cost if you have an unlimited data package.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Bugger all use for rural areas though.

in the US this is still the case for most cellular networks. I don't think rural area customers would be very likely to adopt this sort of technology anyway (QoS & bandwidth issues abound).

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
Well it only took the Register (and Slashdot by default) half a month to start calling VoIP the killer app for WiFi adoption. Maybe I should just keep my bright ideas all to myself. Oh well, WTFE.

Millar (Millar), Saturday, 31 May 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like handheld gadgets, but WiFi really excites me because people are finally comin around to the idea that LAN access is a good thing. Maybe now USB and firewire will disappear back under the rock they crawled out from, and everything will migrate over to ethernet like it should have been from that start.

Dave Fischer, Sunday, 1 June 2003 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...
okay well CES has revealed that VoIP is definitely NOT going to be the real killer app for WiFI, at least not in the near future. These are the next big things, I think, much more along the lines of something I am quite likely to purchase in the near future anyway. Panasonic seems to have similar ideas in mind.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Possibly Linksys's wifi/ethernet dvd player which can stream DivX, XVid, Mpeg2 Mpeg4 from your computer. Or at least appliances like this. Appliances that work as terminals for your computer. the iPod is and off line version of this kind of device. The next stage is being able to access you tunes, movies, mail etc. from any room in the house.

Ed (dali), Friday, 9 January 2004 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
On /. today (please ignore my dumbass comment about 802.11 above, I hadn't read up enough on the up-and-coming RFCs apparently), courtesy of a user named Zebra X. I like the bold headings, he seriously couldn't be trying harder to sell this shit without a projector and some 3D graphs:

*This is not backbone technology*

802.11b is not a viable access solution
802.11b does not have enough reach or capacity to service a city. Limited bandwitdh, 11 MB/sec makes deployment in highly populated areas an un-reality. Each node can realisticly support 10 or 11 households. To support densly populated areas, hundreds of nodes would be required. In addition there is no real "roaming" available with 802.11b. The G simply ups your limited bandwidth to something higher, at the cost of range. That's not really a viable solution. Finally the limited range makes deployment in rural and suburban areas an impossibility.

The way of the future
A *SINGLE* 802.16 node would be capable of hosting about 1100 64K voice over IP channels. The same bandwitdh could be used to provide appx. 140 "broadband wireless" subscribers with 512K channels. That's pretty impressive. Stack 10 Nodes and you have 1440 broadband subscribers. Not only that, 802.16 was designed as a solution for Metropolitan Area Networks. 802.16 is simply an evolution of the 802.11 technology, scaled for carrier grade deployment, and the servicing of a large number of end users.

The real last mile solution
In rural areas, and even some city suburbs the reality of "broadband" isn't coming to fruition. The primary reason is cost. It costs too much to deploy cable systems and becuause of the distance from a central office, DSL is not feasible. Satellite isn't really all that great as on of it's "Features" is the very high latency.

A new age
802.16 will begin a new wireless age. In the coming years we will find that there is no Data and Voice usage with our cellphones, as the notion of a "Data Channel" and "Voice Channel" will go away, all calls will be just data. Instead of an 802.11b card, you will have an 802.x chip built into your laptop or handheld device, you will gain access to the same network that your phone uses and the protocol to do so will be the same. We will all have access, uniquitous access to data from any place that currently has cellphone coverage. 802.16, and it's future generations will be "The way" that data networks are accessed wirelessly.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 29 January 2004 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that Linksys product looks really great, I saw it at Showstoppers during CES and it looked like the natural evolution of the wireless media-streaming device. Prismiq was also showing off their new MediaPlayer/Recorder, which didn't have a DVD in it, but connected to your cable TV hookup and sent your TV signal back to your PC over the same wireless connection, using your PC as a PVR.

I'm still not convinced by VOIP, myself, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. I'm inclined to agree with the above.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 29 January 2004 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Will it give us cancer, though?

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 30 January 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

802.11b does not have enough reach or capacity to service a city. Limited bandwitdh, 11 MB/sec makes deployment in highly populated areas an un-reality.

Is the following article shows that it's already a reality?

http://www.wirelessreview.com/ar/telecom_aiirnet_makes_cerritos/

"Wireless ISP Aiirnet Wireless said it has reached an agreement with the Cerritos, Calif., city council to begin offering service on Jan. 1 through an 8.6-square-mile Wi-Fi hot zone that will cover the entire southern California community of 50,000 people.

The hot zone is based on 802.11 mesh technology provided by Tropos Networks(...)"

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 1 February 2004 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Too many 802.11 access points too close= lousy connections for all. There are 8 (last time I pulled up a menu & counted em) wireless access points on my apartment floor (or nearby floors close enough for the signal to reach me). I find when I try to connect mine that I often randomly lose access for a few moments at a time (pain in the neck when AIM then takes 2 minutes to reconnect itself... but that's the software's own problem...). So if this can actually fix collision problems, it would be nice. Or I should move to a building without so many geeks.

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 1 February 2004 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

It seems like there should be a relatively easy solution to that, to make sure you stay attached to just one of them...

Dan I., Sunday, 1 February 2004 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)


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