Al Qaeda's Osama bin Laden's terrorism network

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Al Qaeda's USAMA/ Osama BIN LADEN

The growing intelligence of the evidence of Al Qaeda's Osama bin Laden's terrorism network

Yet more evidence this was reported yesterday ! September 9, 2001 - On Videotape, Bin Laden Charts a Violent Future

He tells followers that there is nothing to fear from the United States and that their Islamic faith — and their willingness to die — is enough to neutralize America's military might.

Much of the tape focuses on the current upheaval in Israel and the Palestinian territories. What is not clear, say intelligence experts, is whether Mr. bin Laden plans to mount direct attacks on Israeli targets, or whether he is firing followers' passions for attacks elsewhere. "Our brothers in Palestine are waiting for you anxiously, and expect you to strike at America and Israel," Mr. bin Laden says. "God's earth is wide and their interests are everywhere."

What more evidence do you require?

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actual proof, for one thing. Circumstantial evidence is just that.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Russian Intelligence - on Bin Laden August 30th

Bin Laden's appointment confirmed that a center of international terrorism is being set up in Taliban-controlled territory, the ministry said in a statement.

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When something of this nature occurs and everyone in the whole fucking country immediately suspects one particular guy, isn't that usually some indication that he couldn't possibly be responisible for it? Considering our current state of Bin Laden- paranoia, I like to imagine that we have something of an eye on him.

Now, Bin Laden-financed; another story. It's not as if he's even a terrorist -- he is the Yoda of terrorism.

But my suspicion is that the conclusions of a bunch of kids on a music discussion forum will have very little to do with the reality of the situation, so unless Encyclopedia Brown is now to ILE, speculation might be out of order.

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thank you, Nitsuh. You put it better than I could. I don't rule him out of possibility automatically, but neither do I automatically consider him The Guy.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry; that sounded bitchy. I'm just very uncomfortable with the blame-assignment portion of these proceedings -- bad memories of being verbally abused by strangers during the Gulf War.

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Martian so far this is all just big talk.

mark s, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, fuck me, I guess -- from CNN:

U.S. intelligence officials tell CNN "there are good indications that persons linked to Osama bin Laden may be responsible for these attacks."

I suppose "linked" = "Yoda-d."

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"U.S. intelligence officials" = ppl saying TRUST US NOW even though EITHER we knew nothing whatever of this till today OR we knew something but said nothing....

mark s, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why are you suprised? this man has stated his intent to kill american's and hurt american interests big time. This is a big attack that he boasted would happen 3 years ago. He said revenge will happen, this is on records.

Who else is involved?

Bin Laden has connections with stacks of extremists across the middle east and north africa. This is fact not fantasy fiction.

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark there was a warning issued by the US Govt dated 7th september

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Martian -- That's precisely what surprises me: that despite his clearly stated intent and our supposedly solid knowledge of his doings, he would still be able to pull off something of this magnitude without our having an inkling of its imminence. I'm starting to get the feeling that he's just developing a pirate's reputation -- various incidents linked to him, but us with no real concept of his level of involvement. Again, widespread Yoda-ing.

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm still with Mark S on this so far. Anonymous sources could be saying anything and it would be taken as proof.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's hardly surprising that bin laden has been singled out (primarily by the media, I might add, as part of the predictably frenzy of finger-pointing) given that he's been on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted for at least two years.

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm As for whether he is connected with this incident, I'd hazard a guess that indirectly, almost certainly. Directly, time will tell. There are few things more comforting in times like these than conjecture, wouldn't you say?

ogden, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But as you yourself said of this, Martian: WHY WAS MORE NOT MAKE OF IT?

Ans = because it was all rumour and flimflam. If it's him, then he has been out in the world swaggering at full volume: this is hardly clandestine. So Intelligence Officials have zero excuse for not knowing more (they have far more resources than he does). They did not make more of it because they did not believe he was capable: why do they suddenly do so now? Of course he is prime suspect on TV: TV has lots of good sinister footage of him wearing funny Taliban-type hats.

I am sorry martian: I do not trust these kinds of sources, on this kind of a day. If it was HIM they have no excuse for not knowing.

mark s, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The good old wait'n'see.

At least we can safely rule out Breton separatists.

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What Mark said. Of course everyone's blaming Bin Laden. The need to point the finger ASAP is extraordinary in this sort of situation and he's the most well known terrorist sponsor in the world. Also, he does wear sinister looking hats and he's got one of them fundamentalist beards. Look, NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING CONCRETE YET, and saying it's obviously him on nothing but circumstantial evidence just serves to crank things up further.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

True, but there's going to be a lot of people wanting immediate retribution of some sort. Would Dubya do something really severe?

Johnathan, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The smartest thing right now is for *NOTHING* to be done in terms of 'retribution.' Innocents killed in the name of innocents killed makes me sick. I'll give our unbeloved leader this much, he didn't say jack in his statements about blaming anyone in particular or immediate retaliation. Vague, rhetorical and all that, I'll take simply the promise of action over action at this point.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If it was a government-backed act of aggression, launching full scale assault on the country responsible would be downright foolhardy. If I were Bush, I'd be wondering what kind of acts of guerilla response the currently unknown party might save up for a rainy day.

After all, it's a bit late to lock the doors if the bogeyman's already hiding under your bed.

Re: the original question, the bin laden quote only suggests incitement, not specific involvement. There's a difference between saying "[they] expect you to strike at America and Israel" and saying "Dive-bomb these targets. Imran'll meet you for flight X at Boston, he's got the plans" - how little involvement would the man have to have in order to be considered directly responsible for these acts?

ogden, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

CBS Radio and CNN are now reporting that bombs and explosions are going off over Kabul, Afghanistan. Reports still sketchy.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

CNN's saying it might be a civil dispute- bombing might not be from the west

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bin Laden 'spoke of big attack on US' three weeks ago.

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

More flimflam: no new facts. ObL is going to pay very dearly indeed for having a big mouth, I suspect: but so far vague threats are all he is even arguably guilty of, at least as far as this kind of story goes.

mark s, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If Bin Laden was behind it, why on earth would he spend weeks shouting his mouth off about it? Not the best recipe for success, is it?

Johnathan, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

From an interview on ABC:

John Miller: Mr. Bin Ladin, you have issued a fatwa calling on all Muslims to kill Americans where they can, when they can. Is that directed at all Americans, just American military, just Americans in Saudi Arabia?

Osama Bin Ladin: As we mentioned before, Allah ordered us in this religion to purify Muslim land of all non-believers, and especially the Arabian Peninsula where the Ke’ba is. After WWII, the Americans became more aggressive and oppressive, especially in the Muslim world. We are surprised this question is coming from Americans. Each action will solicit a similar reaction. We must use such punishment to keep your evil away from Muslims, Muslim children and women. American history does not distinguish between civilians and military, and not even women and children. They are the ones who used the bombs against Nagasaki. Can these bombs distinguish between infants and military?

stevo, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No-one's contesting that wherever he is, Mr bin Laden is pleased with the outcome of the bombings, but that has little to do with whether he actually has anything to do with them. There are people in the streets all over the Middle East who are pleased with the day's work, but that doesn't mean it's a conspiracy on the part of a million Muslims.

I really don't like saying this ever, but I think this thread is reckless to the point of being dangerous, and I request that it's deleted.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why dangerous?

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Because the last thing any community needs now is hysteria of this sort (I'm sorry, but these posts are not cogent arguments, they're looking for someone to blame). A lot of people are comparing this to Pearl Harbour, but what the recent enthusiam for that period glosses over is that the first thing that happened after the US entered the war was that all the Japanese-Americans were put into camps and treated like shit.

You might remember also what happened after the last major terrorist act on US soil, when all fingers pointed to the middle east, until it turned out to be an American.

I'm not calling you anything here: I understand that it's all very mental, and that it'd be great to be able to say "I did something", but this isn't the right thing, and I think that it contributes to a dangerous mood. I even think, and it's hard for me to express enough how much this makes me squirm, that it's more important not to have this here than to have it. I'd have no problem with in a few days, but I'd rather not have the bloodthirst that's sure to crop up in the next White House statement turn up here until things have cooled.

Peace,

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If anyone else wants this thread deleted mail me. If enough people agree with Mr Farrell it'll go.

DG, Wednesday, 12 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I personally don't think there's anything inherently wrong with this thread, apart from I doubt Bin Laden's involvement.

DG, Wednesday, 12 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

WHat sticks most in the craw about this thread is merely an isistence by DJ MArtian to be right, or to be the first to prove this involvement. This is neither the time nor place to be wildly accusing from circumstantial evidence. I have already stated my opinion on Bin laden's involvement, and that is all it is from speaking to a fair number of Middle Eastern experts - who themselves have no real idea.

Of course in aftermath of such an event, especially such a tragic event, the rolling news - so good at capturing the as it happens horror of the event - if left with endless talking shops and again this need to attribute blame and be first. By all means we should be discussing what this means and how NATO responds (because it will be NATO) but the spirit should be merely that - discussion of interesting and not necessarily all that informed participants. I would keep this thread too DG. And keep up the fine moderation.

Pete, Wednesday, 12 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What is OBL's motivation?

the pinefox, Wednesday, 12 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

VERY excellent question, Pinefox.

dave q, Wednesday, 12 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pinefox read this Who is OBL and his motives - read the evil intent of this sick and dangerous man and his hatred of America, the extremity of his views and how far his supporters would go - by killing American civilians in the pursuit of his warped vision.

OBL does not like the American way of life (although strangely no mention of Fred Durst) and the US meddling in the middle eastern affairs.

DJ Martian, Wednesday, 12 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Everyone seems to have ruled out the theory that it was all just a coincidence.

nick, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think blaming Fred Durst is at least widening the field in the right direction. I must admit the coincidence theory really isn't holding much water (or indeed has any proponents bar you Nick). The Queen Mother theory has been brought up by at least five different people I know however.

Pete, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

they bring up 'amusing' Queen Mother theory = they are monkeys?

Nick, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Queen Mother theory?

Tim, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I second Tim's "Queen mother theory?"

tell us more....

cabbage, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Queen Mother theory is nothing more or less than members of the British News Media being so annoyed by the weeks of mourning that will be enforced upon them if QM died that - when she did die (the theory suggest Tuesday) they made more interesting news.

Queen Mother theory two is a corrolary of theory one which suggests that the QM organised it herself and was indeed on one of the planes figuring its best to go out with a bang.

Pete, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

a) assuming it is Bin Laden, and
b) that that Taliban give him to America.

will this be seen to be enough? it would be anti-climax. i can't see it being left at that. also, would this alter anything. Bin Laden isn't a leader as such. there are surely many other (including ones that had no part in this whatsoever)

gareth, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That is not a corollary.

Nick, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jesus, sorry for asking, that is very crap

cabbage, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I second Cabbage's apology, and offer a further apology for being the first to ask.

Tim, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I obviously apologise for reporting it, but this is the level of conversation you get to when the news keeps doing pretty much the same thing vis a vis the Bin Laden theory.

Pete, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

six years pass...

Snakes On A Plane!

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:55 (seventeen years ago)

this meme has peaked now.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:56 (seventeen years ago)

Don't tase me bro?

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:56 (seventeen years ago)

If anyone else wants this thread deleted mail me. If enough people agree with Mr Farrell it'll go.
-- DG, Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:00 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

oh the power

DG, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:57 (seventeen years ago)

If enough people agree with Mr Farrell

^^^pretty sure this never happened

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:57 (seventeen years ago)

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 01:00

WHAT DID HE KNOW

That mong guy that's shit, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 14:01 (seventeen years ago)

Don't tase me bro?

-- Dom Passantino, Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:56 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i'm in

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 14:02 (seventeen years ago)

WTF @ "queen mother theory"

StanM, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 14:10 (seventeen years ago)

OBL does not like the American way of life (although strangely no mention of Fred Durst)

o_O

onimo, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 14:12 (seventeen years ago)

Too soon.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 14:14 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

CNN says Bin Laden is dead

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:53 (fourteen years ago)

Just heard about this. Obama about to address the US (10.30 pm EDT?)

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:53 (fourteen years ago)

on telly i mean

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:53 (fourteen years ago)

http://files.myopera.com/bcdc/albums/35555/osama%20bin%20laden%20(bert%20is%20evil)_jpg.jpg

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:03 (fourteen years ago)


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