Leo Strauss, Alan Bloom and American Democrocay (attn:Nitsuh)

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leo strauss is the philosopher that many neo cons find apropos to follow, including many from the eastern elite-including people in the white house-now he is a writer who is complex at best and obsufacting at worse, and i have only really read his students in depth, but thanks to a national post article, among other things, i had a few thoughts.

alan bloom was criticised as being a closet case who preached temperence for the masses, but lived a life of a well monied faggot, i thot that at first this was hipocarsy , but if straussian philosophy claims that the best way to deal with a system is through an elite, then this would make sense, ie bloom was one of the elite.

the problem with western liberalism is that all people are not created equal, and the best workers on that system try to make them equal, that was what the american constituition says, strauss recontextualizes this, saying that it is impossible-and that many of the failures of this kind of thinking were not abberations but extensions. (ie Heidegger and his nazis)

growing up in Weimar Germany as an orthodox jew, he saw the destruction of a society that respected diversity and was almost at the edges of proletariat revolt- he also saw the rise of the nazis, and the academics often accepting or at least kowtowing-which lead to a question-how do we preserve this kind of democratic system when it can be destroyed so quickly by force ( a logical corelation can be made to the question i am struggling with-how do you deal with warriors and psychopaths as a pacifist-the army or armies at least contain them)

the solution strauss came with is that you cannot-his books are glosses on greek philosophy, and you are unsure what exactly where his philosophy starts and where he ends (bloom also worked on the same sources, he called plato an american democrat, which is absurd)-his choice of sources is telling- plato, Machiavelli.

what do we do with the white house who accepts this gentleman, and implicitly rejects americas jeffersonian foundations, (karl rove in last weeks new yorker big upped madison, who has similar thoughts)-and cloaks itself in language of internationalist democracy ?

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 19 May 2003 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry nabisco, wrong name.
also jefferson may be the wrong name to invoke here, what with the money, and slaves.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 19 May 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he's on vacation in France so he might not get the chance to answer this for a while.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 May 2003 02:35 (twenty-two years ago)

FRANCE?!!!

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 19 May 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry, he's on vacation in Freedom.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 May 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
new answers please.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Allan Bloom rules. Knows Plato better than anybody.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

but does that scholarship hide a political agenda

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably did!

The funny thing about him is that I think he may have been gay. But I don't know that.

But his whole academic career - this amazing mind - might have been the result of some sort of weird protracted self-loathing.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Bloom is sort of an academic version of the lead character in Bertolucci's The Conformist.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

pretty sure he was gay, out, proud - ravelstein was about him right?

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Mike Daddino to thread!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

he was not out, in a v. spec. way an old fashoined and closted man.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

he was not out, in a v. spec. way an old fashoined and discreet man.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
i think this needed more.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

All I know about Strauss is in the modern contextualization of "no democracy is safe when there are other non-democracies around." Which seems to have some truth to it but it doesn't seem practical to apply it to American foreign policy. I mean, there's no way we can create democracy for every country on the planet. (Obviously, it's hard enough to handle one toppled country.) And then there's no guarantee democracies won't be corrupted internally and overthown as happened with the Nazis. There are a lot of factors involved but I might buy into the philosphy more if it were limited to particular vicious systems of "government" like military dictatorships.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
From Leo strauss and the poliitcs of american empire: Anyone who has spent time among the straussians knows their passion for puns, for partial qoutations, and allusions, made to carry an insult of simply as a form of amusement. You will have seen them count chaperts or the number of things in a list. Thgey are given, especially the lesser ones, to a facinaton with gamataria. Gamatria is a kabbalistic practive which assigns significance to numbers. The numbers may have reference to things in the natural world (one's two eyes or ten gingers, to convention (the twelve months in a year, the seven days in a week), to year, to verses in the bible, to special numbers like 3 or 9 or to the numbers of letters in the name of God (13x13 pr 139) When i first heard Struassians saying things like "there are three chapters and three parts, and three times three is nine." I felt rather as if i had heard them casting runes, or reading Tarot Cards. I asked my teacher whether people took this seiously. All too seriously it turned out. For half an hour or so he regaled me with stories of silly things people did with gamatria. He finsihed up by pulling out an article. Look at footnote 139, he told me."One hundred and thirty nine!" I said, "Why so many footnotes in a single article" HE always has at least that many" he told me"so that he can mention himself in 139..."(103-104)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 March 2006 20:22 (twenty years ago)

There was a tutor at St. John's who CONSTANTLY did this -- she'd say close to nothing all seminar until she broke out the numerology towards the end -- and even the student who knew a think or two about Strauss thought she was well on the royal road to senility.

My freshman-year roommate's dad taught at the Univ. of Chicago, so I heard the rumors about Bloom a couple of years before he died. He was described as more "notorious" rather than "discreet," at least as notorious as a not-exactly-out-per-se man in the public eye can be, and IIRC, what made him especially notorious was his fondness for students. (A tutor of mine at SJC also did this, too, and in retrospect his odd behavior towards me -- sometimes over-critical, sometimes flattering -- might've been evidence that I set off his gaydar.) Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick, a student of his, even makes a few veiled references to his proclivities in the beginning of The Epistomology of the Closet.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:05 (twenty years ago)

Ravelstein was a pretty good novel.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

Jefferson's back from France now.

nabiscothingy, Monday, 13 March 2006 00:24 (twenty years ago)

Does he have real presents or just airport presents, then?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 13 March 2006 00:38 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Adducing Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, Stanley Kurtz assesses the impact of the keen, homosexual mind of Allan Boom, on the twentieth anniversary of The Closing of the American Mind.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 14 September 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

Results 1 - 10 of about 48 from www.robertchristgau.com for adduce christgau. (0.23 seconds)

gabbneb, Friday, 14 September 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

But what of Leo Bloom and Alan Strauss!?

Oilyrags, Friday, 14 September 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)


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