Buffy finale! (spoilers obv)

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The last episode of Buffy was so very gay. Everybody complain about it while I go to work (on my day off. Luckily I'm rather drunk which is perfect for operating heavy machinery).

adam (adam), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Gay as in happy?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Not that I followed the series, but my landlady had a bunch of friends over and they were being noisy upstairs about so I figured I might as well watch the same show so I could understand what they were laughing at. I dunno. It seemed like a no-brainer, really. The deaths were cheap and the gotcha! moments were pretty much all weak. Seemed like a wind-down instead of a finale. The bit with Buffy running across rooftops trying to catch the bus - DUMM DUMM BAD.

The best part for me was the Strong Bad "Trogdor The Burninator" reference during the Giles-playing-D&D scene. That shit made me feel ridiculous.

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry but "you kill Anya" = "I get misty," even if they'd cleared out hell with a giant fart from Andrew.

Hmm. I dunno. I wasn't expecting anything revelatory and I've basically been in a "let's get this over with" mood since the beginning of the season, which this, you know, did. And not too horribly, and with some of the dialogue way less rocky than over the rest of the season. (Although what was up with sudden jive-turkey Faith? How long did she spend in L.A., anyway?)

I dunno about "no-brainer," either: I certainly wouldn't have expected that particular confluence of winning the battle and winning the Slayer-as-loner war. It was pat, but sort of pleasantly so. I agree about the rooftops thing, of course: I mean, usually the arc goes (a) mortal wound, (b) collapse, (c) narrative point leads to sudden summoning of strength to defeat enemy, and then (d) collapse again and get dragged to safety by others, not leap over rooftops and then trot happily around the roadside, right? (Unless I missed something while I was changing my IV?)

Anyway. Ah. Not worth bitching about, I don't think. It ended it capably; it didn't sell anything out easy; I found the formal trick with going back to reveal the plan / "choice" really quite effective; its ending to the overarching concerns of the series were even better than I expected and sweet in a way I could completely go for -- I even went for the little girl at bat. It was nice. I'll admit, I was hoping for more of a bittersweet dark-Romantic surprise like the fight with Glory -- the whole speech-to-Dawn and slow-mo running-off-the-tower shot still feels to me like it'd have been a more glorious (hahaha) end to the whole thing than this standard-heroism thing. (Come to think of it, the end of Season 6 does, too.) But eh, it was fine.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and obviously this just isn't plausible with the characters and especially not given how the last season ended, but part of me felt like it would have been better if loyal-friend Xander was somehow the one who wound up turning all into slayers, since Willow had pretty much become this autonomous thing and often didn't even seem as close a friend of Buffy as Xander always always had to stand for. But then maybe it works better that way as well.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(This on the assumption that the two constant lines of the series were, you know, the Slayer thing and then the Buffy-specific "friends prop up the slayer and make her stronger" thing.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm the world's biggest Anya fan - I've got the tattoo - but after getting over the shock horror homicidal-on-Joss rage, I realized it satisfies the total romantic cynic in me: Xander fucked up and that's it: no second chance (like what Faith gets w/ Wood) - no hanging out and hitting it once it a while with your ex, no forgiveness, no slipping back into that comfortable rut: you're stuck with those piercing memories that will never go away and eventually just wear themselves into the plaster shell of your being.

Nabisco summed up my feelings about the rest of the episode pretty well, and Millar is right that it was a definite winding down. "The Gift" was much more of a true finale not only for the ending, but also the beginning: the "previously..." with that builds through rapid cuts of at least one frame from all 99 previous episodes, into a classic "Buffy saves the poor innocent boy" confrontation (with better dialogue). Actually every season finale except the first was better than this. I'm glad it's over.

chester (synkro), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Best taken-out-of-context moment: Xander puts his hand on Andrew's shoulder, gives him a loving, gentle-yet-manly shake, looks deep into his eyes and says, "That's my girl..."

Not that I expect any hanky panky in the back of the bus. But Andrew got (trying to think of a non-innuendoish word, failing) shafted: it's not his fault there were no other ambiguously gay characters in Sunnydale. Maybe they'll head north.

chester (synkro), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it should have been 2 hours. I started out watching it but then I flipped over to Gilmore. It was a lot cheerier over there. Spike wasn't in the last scene, did he die or something? And what happened with Anya?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

(Did everyone see Allison Hannigan on the cover of FHM or whatever?)

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Some of the zingers were top-form I thought and I liked how the show finally played its hand and made clear its scooby gang = spice girls agenda.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

They really sold out Anya. I mean, a one-line eulogy? Crap! There was so much build up to this, ironically, it seemed to end far too quickly. And don't think we don't remember that Angel was supposed to be there at the end fighting along w/buffy according to some prophecy (although I guess this wasn't the apocalypse if the world doesn't end); a one minute cameo doesn't cut it. I'm assuming they'll resurrect Spike about halfway through the next season of Angel which I'll have to start watching again.

All series finales blow; this was better than the XFiles and Seinfeld, not as good as Twin Peaks.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

(re Sterling's post)

Ginger Willow did go all blonde and shiny in the end...

Xander = the Village Person who never went west (though in a male bonding rather than sexual way).

Anthony Spike is supposed to be a regular on Angel starting next year.

chester (synkro), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

(I posted that so that two years or whenever the series finally finishes in the UK sinker can read it and go "ha!")

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It was anti-climactic. Series finales should get some extra running time. Even Dawson's Creek got two hours for a lame-ass "in the future" episode, and Buffy was the biggest UPN show (or second?).

I've noticed that for several episodes lately, there have been moments where the writing was as good as the first three seasons. Joss Whedon inserts? I'm thinking of the Buffy-Angel dialogue outside, some of Anya's lines.

Best moment of the season - next-to-last episode where Anya's treating the wounded, and takes a slug of scotch.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, back from work and sobered up. Yeah, it wasn't as bad as all that, it was just... nothing much, really. You'd think they could drum up something more exciting for a finale.

adam (adam), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

blowing up the Hellmouth and leaving Sunnydale a smoking crater wasn't exciting enough?

I see yr point, but the finales for seasons 5 and 6 were so spectacular that there really wasn't much hope of equalling them. I think this was the best possible way for the series to end. I was too relieved that the original Scoobies (and Andrew!) survived to get weepy over the casualties. Spike's self-sacrifice would have had more impact if we didn't all know he was gonna be brought back next year, and Anya's death deserved more than a one line epitaph (even if it was delivered by Xander). Angel's appearance was pretty arbitrary. Still, I liked the elegiac "winding down" feel of this episode, and the hopeful openness of the ending: it was a relief after the almost unrelieved gloominess of this season.

also: the last episode of Seinfeld = the most unfairly criticized and misunderstood work of art in recent memory.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't understand the letting the thousand slayers bloom thing -- now that there are gonna be slayers are all over does buffy get to retire?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

well, probably her new job will be to go around the country training slayers. but I assume she'll want a vacation first, who wouldn't?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

And don't think we don't remember that Angel was supposed to be there at the end fighting along w/buffy according to some prophecy

No, the prophecy said that a "vampire with a soul" would be fighting with Buffy, so Spike would fit the bill. Will he turn human now (per the prophecy)? That would be hilarious, because it would make Angel bitter and he'd probably turn to the butter churn more than he already has.

I'm kind of ambivalent on the ending -- there were good parts and craptastic parts, but it could have been much, much worse.

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

All series finales blow; this was better than the XFiles and Seinfeld, not as good as Twin Peaks.

You are kidding about the Twin Peaks part, right?

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(I.e., what, it would have been better if Buffy had just got pulled during the evil-Willow cliffhanger and then Whedon made a big mess of a movie about Buffy and her mom driving to Sunnydale?)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I was prepared to hate the finale based on the spoilers I had read, but after watching it on my computer last night while being driven to Boston I was actually pleased. There was no way they could've topped the original series ending (season 5) so they just tried to salvage what they would of this season. The D&D game and Angel's face on the punching bag were the best parts and yes I did get weepy over Anya's death.

Carey (Carey), Thursday, 22 May 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

was i the only person who cried for like half an hour watching this?! i thought it was pretty good; certainly a lot better than i'd been expecting. obviously it was nothing like as good as the end of series 5 or even that of series 6, but, well, how would you have ended it?

having said that i do think seasons 6/7 are mostly pretty crap in comparison to 2/3/4/5, particularly 4 & 5. and the scythe was a crap subsitute for the hammer.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 22 May 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

How could anyone not get a little misty over Anya?

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 May 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't wait to get home and cradle my bunny anya action figure.

Carey (Carey), Thursday, 22 May 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I cried, and I don't even like Anya.

rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 22 May 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Are we all in agreement, then? "Chosen" was "okay" but "meh"? We're all just happy that Joss didn't completely fuck it up?

Oh, and Spike's dead. I'm actually hoping that whole thing about Marsters going to Angel is a mislead, since I just don't see what he can possibly bring to that show. I really love Spike, but I think the character has run its course.

J (Jay), Thursday, 22 May 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

It ended about as I expected, maybe a little under my expectations. I really didn't like how unceremoniously Anya died (yes, yes, that's how battle goes, but give me some satisfaction, Joss!). They could've made up for it had they said a little more for her and Spike at the end, but it looked like they didn't have time. Actually, the whole episode seemed a little rushed. Certainly not the best season ender, but on par with season 3 or 4.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Did it feature Willow flaying people alive? That's the best part of Buffy for me.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
It was nice to see Vi, one of the most useless characters all season, be the first to react to the power and kick ass. I do have to register a complaint about them killing Amanda, though.

Spike's hand catching fire when Buffy hugs it is like the "I am the same blood as Dawn" from Season 5: makes no sense but feels absolutely perfectly right.

I didn't know Spike was coming back. I feel sad now.

The mortal wound => leaping buildings was bullshit. Joss Whedon should be ashamed of himself.

I did like that the episode was funny. I think. And that no-one really got spared the funny except Willow.

I look forward to seeing SMG again in the Angel series finale.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Has Buffy actually, really, truly, forever ended then?

Gee, I hadn't even realised, cultural retard that I am!

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

It has. *sniff*

Alfie (Alfie), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm. So is anyone having a party in celebra--er--remembrance?

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah, it happened last week on Sky and a month or two ago in the states.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I lit a candle for Anya.

Alfie (Alfie), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

so, who was the xander?

chris (chris), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Xander. Doh.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I've decided I do like the humour, though there's a really jarring bit when she returns to Spike (for what we've been fooled into believing is the big betrayal) he attacks her with "people don't greet each other with their tongues! (pause for laughter)" which takes the wind out of a dramatic moment, and then it's back to more foreboding "don't do it!" stuff, except that it's a red herring.

But on the whole, making the whole seven years the preamble to "of course, there's another one in Cleveland" = hero.

I get the impression that if I knew more, the rotating camera "so what do you guys want to do tomorrow?" bit would have my hair standing on end. It's a visual quotation from Episode 1, yes? Though still not as cool as The Gift's "Previously on Buffy..."

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes, a small part of me wonders if my failure to respond to the mystique of Buffy has denied me something really wonderful.

Thankfully, only a very small part.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, you're not alone, Christine, don't fret.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually I think Andrew was the real Xander.

Though this season had The Xander Moment, where he comforts Dawn because she's not a potential.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that might have been my favorite part of the entire season. Unfortunately I didn't really have many favorite moments from season 7.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the fact that the magic at the end didn't require a Big Quest: the idea of reclaiming their power was the only crucial part.

Also I respect the fact that it can get me to type "reclaiming their power" without wincing. Much.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

If Xander's not the Xander then they have misunderstood the whole point of Buffy.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes! Thanks -- I finally figured out the problem. They stole all Xander's lines and gave them to Andrew. Who needed him, really?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
(revive for all the NZ ilxors)

etc, Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:07 (twenty-two years ago)


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