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IDS I Duncan Smith - leader of Tories

another right wing out of touch leader = next election another New Labour win

DJ Martian, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jesus H Christ! .....Fuck. Well...poor tories. They had a choice between two, quite frankly, awful cunt-faced wankers. Damn. We must find a cure for New Labour!

rezna, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Liberal Democrats to get more seats through tactical voting. Can become 2nd party within 15-20 years.

Tory membership is old, their ideas have run aground, and new labour have many policies that are centre-right.

DJ Martian, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But the LD are hardly an option. Which is exactly why I didn't vote. Fuck 'em all.

rezna, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The LD's are a better option than the Tories.

DG, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

News details @ Ananova Iain Duncan Smith has been elected as the new leader of the Conservative Party. He received 61% of the vote.

DJ Martian, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Could be the Tory Kinnock, leading them from the right to the centre, more likely to lead them even further into political oblvion. Historic opportuninty for the Lib Dems.

stevo, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hurrah! Some light relief after a week of awfulness.

Momus, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I wish this had been announced before Tuesday, so I could know whether it's just subsequent events that have made it so utterly trivial.

Nick, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's going to have to cobble together a right wing shadow cabinet lickedtdy spit for tomorrows reconvening of parliment. Any money on Shadow Foreign Secretary?

Pete, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It was fairly trivial anyway. Even if they gain popularity, they can't possibly win the next election (if Blair is clever he can spin current US events to his advantage,(the sad truth), and who knows how long they'll go on for? Add to this the fact that most people in Britain really don't care anyway...

Bill, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well that is exactly the problem with this country. That even though the LDs are pathetic they are still ''better'' than the Tories coz the tories are so shit. What the hell kind of choice is this? So we can choose between one pile of shit and another pile of shit? Wow how civilised.

rezna, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pete: Not Anne Widdecombe.

Bill, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

LDs are considerably better than Tories, and a fair distance better than Labour currently. Committed to raising taxes for education, pro- European, environmentalist and pro-voting reform - that's a fairly distinct positioning. The sad thing about the Tory leadership is that a socially and economically libertarian Portillo leadership would have suddenly created three v.distinct alternatives and a sense of actual debate.

Tom, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Portillo was their only hope. But they dropped him. I hope that isn't because of his ''gay'' adventures but I fear it may have been.

rezna, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, how I weep for the Tories. Boo hoo.

DG, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

they can't possibly win the next election

I agree it's unlikely, but I wouldn't completely dismiss the possibility as one could with the last election. It's a long time away and if recession kicks in hard, who knows?

Nick, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There's also the possible repercussions of the events of the last few days to consider. A war would have all sorts of unpredictable effects on UK politics.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes - prob. make country stick wiv Blair. The point is that at the moment, I don't give a fuck.

Nick, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Absolutely, what happens in the middle east is crucial and even if Blair's domestic policies are unpopular if he is as statesmanlike as he has been over the past few days, then the next election will be a shoe in for him.

Both Thatcher and to a lesser extent Major benefitted from the Falklands and Gulf respectively.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

everytime i see LD as an acronym, i just think Lesbian Dwarves, god bless the fugs...

carsmilesteve, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Every time I see the initials IDS I think of Income Data Services. The Guardian has now banned 'IDS' on the grounds that it makes him sound like JFK or something.

Nick, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

btw, LD is not an acronym as one pronounces its letters individually. It's just a bog-standard abbreviation. Sorry to be a pedant, but we must maintain our standards or else the terrorists have won*

LD makes me think of Len Deighton, for some reason.


*Joke stolen from Emma Hamilton

Nick, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Michael Howard back in the shadow cabinet as Chancellor hurrah! Um.

Tom, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bye bye tory party then I guess. Ken Clarke was the only one who could have gotten them back into government I reckon.

Ronan, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Labour majority here in Dorset South currently 153 (most marginal Lab seat, was the most marginal Tory seat): congratulations Tories on ensuring a massively increased Labour majority next time (and likewise probably for LDs / Labour in Twickenham, Winchester, Worcester and Hastings and Rye, all constituencies where I know fellow contributors to this forum live)! You are watching probably the final nail in the coffin of the Conservative Party as a mainstream, serious, electable, prominent force in British politics.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I wish I had the same faith as some posters above that this is truly the Conservatives signing their own death warrant; IDS may've been elected by a (tiny) bunch of 75-year-old racists (bit of a generalisation, there) but I suspect he can play the opportunistic scapegoating game with more subtlety and panache than Hague. And some of his core values are shared by a scarifyingly large number of people in the UK.

One only has to think back to last September's fuel protests to be reminded how quickly this country can go bonkers. If they *do* get in in 2005/6 with as right-wing a cabinet as one might suppose, I'm doing an anti-Lloyd Webber and emigrating.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Seconded, Mike - IDS is nowhere near as unelectable as he looked before the campaign started. If he can keep the headbanging to a minimum he could comfortably improve on Hague's performance. (The diff. being that Hague was a watery moderate who tried to appear right and that Smith is a hardliner trying to appear centrist) Assuming nothing goes disasterously wrong for New Labour that won't be enough to put the Tories back in. But that's a big assumption. I do with Charles Kennedy would get off his arse and start doing something again.

Tom, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thirded. Would love to write the Tories off as a spent political force but they remain the only right/centre-right party in Britain (unless one includes Nu-Lab). IDS isn't unelectable, his reactionary tendencies are still shared by many, and with his impeccable hard- right, anti-european credentials he is also well placed to try to soften the tone of the Conservatives on many issues.

The Blair government is losing popularity by the month. There are already chilly economy winds and Tuesday's events will severly shake the global economy. Brown's modest proposals for public investment could shrivel into dust whilst public union anger over PFI look useful conducts for wider disatisfaction. By 2005 Labour coud well be in serious trouble. Unfortunately it is still the Tories who stand most to benefit.

PS During the fag-end of the Major govt I did emigrate. 'Love' was the principle reason; despair and disillusionment at the state of the country, and it's self-chosen wretched goverment wasn't far behind.

stevo, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Robin - Yes, I'm in Winchester, intend to vote LD again. My mum: 'I'm not bothering to vote at all now'!

Bill, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have a very bad feeling about this. A conservative swing to the right means a) no convincing opposition party b) labour swing to the right continues unabated c) general xenophobic, europhobic and unpleasant tone of UK political discourse on the rise. Militarism, jingoism and knee-jerk right-wing responses are the last thing we need at the moment. NB also: IDS is apparently massive on the right wing US political circuit. So this posturing soldier boy gets to take his place on the political stage today spouting garbage about civilisation and freedom and democracy, when he has no idea what the words mean.

alex t, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Robin. My mum: "I have given up on politics altogether"

mark s, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's not such a great thing that Blair will continue to have such a weak opposition. I'd rather see a strong opposition to keep him on his toes.

Robin - you mentioned my constituency (Twickenham). Vincent Cable (Lib-Dem) is a reasonable MP, especially compared to the truly loathsome Toby Jessel, his predecessor. However he is no shoo-in next time, even with a weak Tory party. (Labour effectively doesn't contest this seat). So far he's managed to distance himself from the increasingly disliked Lib-Dem Richmond council, but more and more residents are waking up to the fact that they're weak and useless. They continue to avoid any policy on the main local issues (Terminal 5, riverside development etc) The influx of yuppies and rising house prices (250% in the last 6 years) means that the demographic has changed slightly away from the older, mainly Tory residents, which in itself may explain the swing leftwards.

Dr. C, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For once I actually feel sorry for IDS. Talk about being thrown in at the deep end...

DG, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wasn't Toby Jessel the one who replied to an elderly couple in his constituency who protested at the poll tax that it would be cheaper when one of them had died, and also declared that we should all grow our own vegetables and wear extra jumpers rather than turn the heating up in winter? FWIW, I mentioned those constituencies partially because people on this forum live there and also because, 10 years ago, they were all considered to be at the very core of Tory England.

Mike mentions the fuel protests - well, exactly, but it's notable how short-lived that moment of madness was, and that within a couple of months Labour had recovered a commanding lead in the polls (the Tories' other supposed trump cards, foot and mouth and foxhunting, will probably not be issues at the next election because I reckon Blair will have invoked the Parliament Act to overrule the Lords and ban hunting by then). I know there are still people out there whose fears and gut reactions he could play on, but I'm not sure whether there are *enough* such people to return the Tories to government (which *is* the key factor).

Tom comments that Hague tried to appear more right-wing than he was: well, exactly, he showed his inexperience and naivety by falling for the please-the-hardcore messages he got from certain advisers rather than sticking with the slow, unobtrusive "modernising" streak he had to begin with. IDS, unlike Hague, is an ideologue, though it's interesting and perhaps surprising that he's put people as pro-Euro as David Curry (who refused to serve under Hague) and Ian Taylor in his shadow cabinet - clearly it won't be the absolute hardliners-only zone some had suspected. Still, the best the Tories can hope for, from this distance, is a continuation of their current resurgence on local councils (it'll be interesting to see what happens in the London borough council elections next May) and to regain a good few marginals, resulting in the noticeably reduced Labour majority that many thought would have come this year.

Of course things could change ...

Robin Carmody, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Apparently Jessel did just as you say. He was a strange character - I saw him campaigning for the election (the one before '97, was it '92?) outside Twickenham railway station at 6.30 am one morning wearing a filthy tweed jacket, mud-splattered gardening trousers and wellington boots. As I ignored his "good morning, sir" and walked past, a milkman stopped his float alongside, jumped down from the cab, walked up to Jessel and shouted "F@uck off, you bastard"!

He was also an accomplished classical pianist, and gave outdoor concerts each summer in a riverside park.

Dr. C, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ten months pass...
Actually, when we (Conservatives) win in 2005/6 we will take Britain out of the EU and any leftie liberal ponces who don't like it can go and live in Belgium, actually, with Will Hutton and his poncey mates from the Guardian. Wankers.

Robert Hunter, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That should be the basis of the next weebl cartoon.

Alan T, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, a good point well made, actually.

mark s, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hutton is a deluded romanticising fool but at least he is not a Tory

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

any leftie liberal ponces who don't like it can go and live in Belgium... etc etc

That's beautiful, it really is. I laughed for ages. Go on, which one of you was it, really?

Matt, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...
Big week for IDS, anyone changed their opinion of him? Will he get the chop? Tory Chairman (sic) Teresa May's opening speech was remarkably candid, she does seem to realise what a mess they're in, and how much they need to change ie more women candidates,trying to lose the 'nasty party' tag (difficult with Michael Howard still on the front bench).

stevo (stevo), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:43 (twenty-three years ago)

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/cartoons/2002/10/08/bell0810.jpg

stevo (stevo), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think of them as the "nasty party" - in fact I have even become more sympathetic to Virginia Bottomley, because she apparently told a gang of right-wing moralists in the party who objected to C4 showing "The Last Temptation Of Christ" to clear off when it turned out that none of them had actually seen the film.

No, I just think of them as the stupid party. The extent to which the Tories on Usenet contradict themselves every day without knowing it is something to behold. Incidentally, if a certain Stephen Horgan (Tory candidate in Liverpool Walton last time - both Con and Lab parties have always tried out prospective future MPs in dead-loss seats, cf Tony Blair standing in the 1982 Beaconsfield by-election) is candidate in a safe Tory seat (or what passes for one these days) when the sitting MP retires at the next election, give him a slap from me. He'll know me from our Usenet battles :).

robin carmody (robin carmody), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)


I think of them as the successful party which will destroy us all.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

... maybe we'll destroy ourselves before they can get back, Reynard?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 04:10 (twenty-three years ago)

According to the Mirror, IDS now = In Deep Shit.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 05:12 (twenty-three years ago)

someone on usenet calls him Invisible Nervous Twit

I stand by what I said more than a year ago: my constituency is a naturally Tory area which the Conservatives will always hold with a decent majority if they're a coherent, successful party. That they don't hold it is an indictment of their present state.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)


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