Say something spiteful about Chicago.

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Another step in my quest for more information.

The water's dirty, I hear. And the city's horribly segregated. And then there's that whole "winter" thing...

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never been there

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, thanks.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Which water is dirty? the drinking water?

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

they lent their name to a rubbish band

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Scenery blows gorilla balls.
Suburbs are a wasteland. Related: I really hate the faux-Prarie style shit that's put up outside the city.

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Too many people in black clothing and rectangle-rimmed dark glasses.

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Ouch.

On the upside, I'll fit right in.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Kenan will be there.

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Summers can be just as bad as the winters.

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I sincerely doubt that. Not as long, for starters.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

May, 2002. Chicago. Driving in my car while there's this massive Breast Cancer walk going on, and also it's raining. No matter where I turn, I can't get to the street I need to take to get to I-94 because every street is blocked off and there are like thirty billion women marching around in pink ribbons. I pull over to ask a cop for directions, and he yells at me. Hungover, I start crying and call my mom. I finally get home, no thanks to Chicago.
But I do like it. Chicago, that is. And Breast Cancer Awareness.

kirsten (kirsten), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, it can bear unbearably sticky between June and the end of August. Likewise, the cold lasts from end of Dec. through end of March.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
(are you gonna have A/C?)

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

What is this 'breast cancer' you speak of? I must've missed that march.

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

(are you gonna have A/C?)

You mean that's still an optional kinda thing? Even after 762 people died in the summer of 1995?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Between June and the end of August, I can handle. Down here, it's between March and the end of October.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Hell yeah, it's optional. My sister has never had it in any of her apartments.
Down here, it's between March and the end of October
Yes, but down there the winter is non-existent.

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

It's windy?! (yeah i haven't ever been there!)

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 30 May 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

It's turning into condo hell (according to my host)?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 30 May 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Tortoise

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 30 May 2003 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

last week, when my fiancee stepped out to lunch, some beggar hit her up for "smokes" and when she walked right past him, he called her a "rich white bitch"... (well, he's CERTAINLY wrong about the first part...)

and, oh yeah, you can't walk anywhere in the city without a nice, fat gob of spit on the ground, just about every few steps...

absolute skittles, Friday, 30 May 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

It's New York Lite.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 30 May 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

"And the city's horribly segregated" --

so, um, Kenan... what exactly do you plan to do about this???

absolute skittles, Friday, 30 May 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate Chicago pizza like a motherfucker.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 30 May 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate Chicago like a muthafucka -- all I wants is ta git back ta Northern Cali... by any means necessary...

absolute skittles, Friday, 30 May 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I love Chicago so God damned much. I mean I know there's the whole post-rock/indie-intelligentsia thing but in the final analysis I don't care. Chicago is one of those cities where, when I'm on tour and I wake up there, I have that daily "what city is this?" feeling and then when I realize I'm in Chicago a really happy feeling comes over me and I just want to get up and go outside and enjoy myself.

Kenan you're wrong if you think the south prepares you for Chicago summers though - they are brutal

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 30 May 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

living here makes all the difference from just passing through on tour, J0hn...

although, what I SHOULD say is I hate Chicago and its surrounding areas so goddamn much that I'll have a hard time adjusting to life WITHOUT lethal cabdrivers, Streetwise-salesmen, gobs of spit marking the sidewalk every twenty feet (they vary in shape and size and color so damn much, I suppose they're very nearly an alternative form of landmark), pasty-faced alterna-kids hanging out in front of DePaul in Speed Racer T's and stylishly-unkempt hair... I probably won't find a third of the inspiration I get here, when I'm out west... oh, well...

absolute skittles, Friday, 30 May 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Cops on steroids.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 30 May 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

carrying on a conversation at the top of your lungs, in ten-to-fifteen-second snippets, when walking alongside the "L" tracks...

absolute skittles, Friday, 30 May 2003 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, summers can be awful. Much worse than the winters. And no one I know who rents has air conditioning. Though you can always buy a window unit and watch your electricity bills double.

Another bad things is that there aren't as many good record stores as you might expect.

I mention on the other thread that wide swaths of the city are unforgivably ugly, but that can have its charming side too.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 30 May 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

summers can indeed be awful. i grew up in apartments without air conditioning and just basked in the amazement of having such a wonder once my boyfriend and i bought a house. you've got to watch for winters too, though---they salt EVERYTHING. which of course helps to make nice potholes in the roads, in addition to causing all sorts of nasty damage to any vehicle you might take out in such weather. and of course, is fuel for the saying that there's only two seasons in Chicago: winter and construction. :P

(the areas where they don't salt are bad, too---cos then, of course, you slip and land flat on your back unless you walk in mincing little granny steps and thusly take five hours to get somewhere on foot. or put spikes in your shoes and/or boots.)

and no, not as many good record stores as you'd hope. there are some, and you can find them---but there used to be more (of course). it's sad, how many have gone down. :(

aha! something else---permit parking areas have grown exponentially in recent time. it's so irritating. if you ever decided to go up to the Music Box theatre and surrounding areas, many of the side streets now have obnoxious speed humps in them---and some have resorted to miscellaneous (and far more dangerous) roundabouts in already crowded, congested areas as well.

the #77 Fullerton bus still takes an age to come from whenever you've got yourself to the bus stop, and when it arrives, it's always cram packed and you feel like a sardine. if it's in the summer, the A/C will probably not be working. (they've actually got A/C on most busses now---except the #6 Jeffery Express. but at least you get to sit in the accordion on that one if you really want, which has its own special charm.)

the whole of Wrigleyville counts as a snide enough remark in itself.

janni (janni), Friday, 30 May 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Kenan you're wrong if you think the south prepares you for Chicago summers though - they are brutal.

I guess I'll find out when I get there, but I find the thought of summers in Chicago being worse then summers in Texas... well, nearing the range of mathematically impossible. When you say "brutal," do you mean 50 consecutive days of temperatures over 100 degrees, peaking at 112 in early September? Cause that was the summer of 2000, and THAT, my friend, was fucking brutal.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 30 May 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

whereabout in Texas are you coming from, Kenan? i don't pretend to know loads about it, but i had a friend who grew up around San Antonio, and she actually did find summers there to be more bearable than the ones in Chicago. someone who i work with has said similar things, and he's from El Paso---both cited the differences in humidity as being the main factor. the hot period may be shorter in Chicago, but it's also much more humid, which makes it feel worse than it really is. i've been told it's more of a dry heat in Texas...?

janni (janni), Friday, 30 May 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I grew up in Houston, which is every ounce as humid as... anywhere, I imagine. That "summer of dead grammas" was in Austin, and the heat was dry. But when there's that much heat, it hardly matters. I remember nights with lows in the mid 90's. Thankfully, not every summer is like that, but it's never a lot of fun. And it's endless, it really is.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 30 May 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Austin Texas today: sunny and 95. Chicago today: cloudy and 63.
I don't mean to harp on this, but it bugs me when northerners bitch about the heat. Brother, let me tell you something...

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 30 May 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't compare the two myself, since i haven't spent any time in Texas at all. was only passing on what people i know who grew up there have told me. :)

janni (janni), Friday, 30 May 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Skittles I did live there in '95-'96. Worked at Touch & Go. My estimation of Chicago isn't a passing-through-on-tour thing.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 30 May 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Note: as I understand it, "the Windy City" was a reference to the gas coming from politicians' mouths, not any actual wind. It's maybe slightly windier in downtown Chicago than lots of other places, but only because there's a lake right there and then skyscraper alleys that channel the breeze straight through. But it's not, like, windy.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 30 May 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, not, like, particularly or notably windy, and verifiably less windy that it is downstate.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 30 May 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually according to The Straight Dope:

Back to Barry Popik. Having gotten Big Apple squared away, Barry turned his attention to Chicago's nickname, the Windy City. The average mope believes Chicago was so dubbed because it's windy, meteorologically speaking. The more sophisticated set (including, till recently, your columnist) thinks the term originated in a comment by Charles Dana, editor of the New York Sun in the 1890s. Annoyed by the vocal (and ultimately successful) efforts of Chicago civic leaders to land the world's fair celebrating Columbus's discovery of America, Dana urged his readers to ignore "the nonsensical claims of that windy city"--windy meaning excessively talkative.

But that may not be the true explanation either. Scouring the magazines and newspapers of the day, Popik found that the nickname commonly used for Chicago switched from the Garden City to the Windy City in 1886, several years before Dana's comment. The earliest citation was from the Louisville Courier-Journal in early January, 1886, when it was used in reference to the wind off Lake Michigan. In other words, the average mope was right all along! However, when Popik attempted to notify former Chicagoan but soon-to-be New Yorker Hillary Rodham Clinton of his findings, she blew him off with a form letter--and this from a woman facing a campaign for the Senate. Come on, Hill, quit worrying about the Puerto Ricans and pay attention here. You want to lose the etymologist vote?

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 30 May 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

So I think the answer is actually "both." I argued about this a lot in middle school.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 30 May 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Only recently has Chicago realized that lead piping is a bad idea.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 May 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

...it isn't if you use it correctly. ;)

janni (janni), Friday, 30 May 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

They're suckers for signing Kordell Stewart.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 May 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Who are you gonna trust, the Straight Dope or me?

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 30 May 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

And you are?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 May 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Kenan, I've spent a summer in Phoenix and while that was total hell, it was only slightly worse than a just-hotter-than-average Chicago summer. In Phoenix, you just feel like you're in an oven and it almost feels therapeutic...almost. You don't feel gross and sweaty instantaneously like you do when it's humid.
Been in Florida too during summer, and at least there's usu a afternoon storm to cool things off a little.
Not saying Chicago summer is worse than any of these places, but it's still a bitch. On the upside, fall is awesome.

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 May 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Too many yuppies. The midwestern college fraternity/sorority population in Lincoln Park is frightful.

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Friday, 30 May 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Too many hipsters. The midwestern college "creative"/art-school population in Wicker Park is frightful.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 30 May 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It's called "diversity."

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 30 May 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Not enough Jews.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 31 May 2003 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I tell you, I've never been there, but from what I know that place sucks. Wind fags.

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 31 May 2003 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah? Where do you live, tough guy?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 31 May 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

In my best Lee Renaldo voice: "I'm from New York City".

'Twas a joke. All I know of Chicago I learned from reading Eightball Comics.

"Fag" is just an all-around sort of idiotic thing to say, but if you combine it with "wind", you've got something really offensive there.

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 31 May 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

oh I was just joking too. Tho you missed a golden opportunity to call out my defensiveness as down to living in the "second city".

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 31 May 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I probably would've caught on with that joke if I knew anything about your second-rate city...

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 31 May 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
I saw the movie, Chicago, last night. It was on BBC1.

At first I was doubtful whether I wanted to see it. It has a dull omnipresence on London transport. It promised to be 2.5 hours in front of the TV when I could be reading Walt Whitman or Mary McCarthy. And it was clearly going to be packed with beauties dancing provocatively in their underwear.

But I stayed with it long enough to get with it... and in the end, I enjoyed it. The narrative gained a little propulsion; some of the songs seemed creditable pastiches of a mode I like; and the visual / dance routines really started to grab me with their ingenuity and aptness; I liked the way that the film cut between reality and dance. It even ended happily, and Richard Gere managed not to infuriate me. So I endorse the picture after all!

I wonder did anybody else see it.

the bellefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 13:06 (twenty years ago)

I saw it at the cinema. I watched Poirot, it was good.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 2 January 2006 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Was it? I saw that that was on, afterwards, but of course it had already begun. What was it about?

the bellefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 14:46 (twenty years ago)


That's funny - when I was in London a few years ago, there were Chicago posters everywhere. I thought it was great pr.

patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

It seems that it was a new Poirot. I had not realized that.

the pinefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

It's raining and I'm supposed to be in a bike race.

gbx (skowly), Monday, 2 January 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

I watched it, pinefox. It was very good. I have seen it before, but I am a sucker for musicals so watched it again.

I like how the pinefox thinks beautiful women in their underwear is a bad thing.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 2 January 2006 17:25 (twenty years ago)

I did not lose my virginity there. She had some monstrous big shoulders on her, too.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 2 January 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)


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