TATU CLONES FROM JAPAN

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PinkMoosePearl: also http://www.universal-music.co.jp/juemilia/special/sp02.html
BatmansAScientst: Oh this is too good
PinkMoosePearl: isnt it
PinkMoosePearl: i love living at the decadent end of spectacle culture
PinkMoosePearl: i love genderfuckqueertheory informed international dyke love
BatmansAScientst: hah
BatmansAScientst: I like teenage girls getting it on with each other

― anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

As I was just saying to Anthony, this is the Tatu that you can fit in your pocket and that is USB compatible.

― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"TATU CLONES FROM JAPAN" sounds like the latest '70s Toho import.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 31 May 2003 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 31 May 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Jesus, that's some budget filmmaking right there.

― Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 31 May 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

And also, while the production on this version is slightly more interesting, it sounds like absolute ass. Put that midi keyboard away!

― Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 31 May 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It's wrong -- the Tatu girls are the ones cloning off Japan.

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

teddy roosevelt to thread!

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

This is fascinating...so is every country going to be required to have it's own underage faux-lesbian pop duo then? Maybe we can have an international competition.

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 31 May 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

anthony, are tatu REALLY informed by queer theory?

― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 31 May 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"It has been a glorious time to be alive and doing research in theoretical physics, and I'm happy if I have made a small contribution," said Stephen Hawking. "There's nothing like the eureka moment of discovering something that no one knew before. I won't compare it to sex, but it lasts longer."

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i think they are, in a round about guy debord way.

― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 June 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i know nothing of debord.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 June 2003 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd like tatu better, i think, if one or both of them were butch. butch women aren't represented often, except when they're getting ridiculed. thats probably the reason why i will never see tatu as revolutionary or interesting. i don't even see them as much of a spectacle. i guess if one of them was butch, they wouldn't be famous. butch teenage russian lesbian = much much more threatening to the general public than femme teenage russian lesbians. i don't think i'm being biased here: i like many different kinds of women, and i don't identify as butch. i just like a bit of variety, y'know, plus i'm all for shock value, if its really shocking. maybe i'm being silly, its not like i'm even the target audience of this band anyway.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 June 2003 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Masculine values dominate in patriarchy, right?
A butch woman is a woman with a masculine manner, no?
To be 'revolutionary' one should undermine rather than bolster patriarchy, yes?
Ipso facto, Tatu are more radical as girly femme types than they would be as butch bull dykes.
If we all become various types of man, the men have won.

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 1 June 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

momus, female masculinity is more threatening because it fucks with gender roles. female femininity isn't fucking too much with anyones gender roles (though sometimes it can). patriarchy is bolstered by traditional gender roles, thus the butch woman is a threat to patriarchy. nobody said everyone has to become types of men - which you are right, would mean that patriarchy has won. What i said is VARIETY is preferable. people need to know they have choices.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 June 2003 06:24 (twenty-two years ago)

female femininity isn't fucking too much with anyones gender roles (though sometimes it can).

i wanna qualify this: while female femininity is something of a traditional gender role, femininity can be and often is a challenge/threat to patriarchy. but some kinds of female femininity are much more acceptable to the male hegemony than female masculinity is. as we all know, femininity is a diverse and wonderful thing.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 June 2003 06:30 (twenty-two years ago)

see what i think is subversive about them is twofold
1) that we are having this real vs unreal are they fucking arent they convo at all
2) that they dont care.

― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 June 2003 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

there has been no talk of the are-they-fucking-aren't-they on this thread. though perhaps you mean it is often how they are talked about: in terms of authenticity? i also think they care that people talk about them in those terms: the point of them was to create such a controversy.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 June 2003 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)

how much am i complicit in this? by talking about them, even to deny that they are shocking, am i feeding their precious controversy?

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 June 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah in terms of who exactly is a lesbian and who isnt

― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 June 2003 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but i haven't talked in terms of "are they lesbian or aren't they" anywhere on this thread anthony! (granted i may have done so on other tatu threads, but i have realised that line of argument isn't all that helpful.) i haven't tried to define lesbianism on this thread either: if i have, i would define it as a much more diverse thing than what the mainstream media would have us believe. the mainstream media would have us believe there are two kinds of lesbians: femmes, and terrible butches, and tatu fit right into this scheme. (granted angelina jolie played a butch woman in foxfire, but she wasn't particularly convincing. and even so it was a relief to see! perhaps i should watch "bound", too...) this is not to say that we are all controlled by the media or anything silly like that...

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 June 2003 07:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Tatu = changes nothing, really. The idea that Tatu puts forward is one that has already been there, if not in slash, in the minds of pop fans everywhere. A quick browse of ASSM or assorted newsgroups will inform you well of the underlying sexuality people have associated with popstars for quite some time. Now only if tehy had some decent catchy tunes...

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 1 June 2003 07:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The idea that Tatu puts forward is one that has already been there, if not in slash, in the minds of pop fans everywhere

actually, the idea is so hackneyed that even "friends" has had an episode using it. i hazard a guess that many queer women came to see "authentic vs inauthentic sexuality" as an example of unhelpful dichotomous thinking way back when madonna was playing with queer sex. ditto queer men and david bowie. sooo, i still don't really get why tatu are shocking or subversive.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 June 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

actually it turns out i have never invoked the "are they or aren't they gay" debate into ANY tatu thread. i am more consistent than i give myself credit for.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 June 2003 08:12 (twenty-two years ago)

But the real question is, are they or aren't they gay?

― di schmidt (enneff), Sunday, 1 June 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I refuse to countenance imagining that they aren't.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 1 June 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

from what I know of both, queer theory and guy debord are not compatible. (the whole point of debord-thought is that it's not compatible with anything: it exists only to CORRODE and DESTROY so we can find out what's left afterward)

i understand what anthony means about the attractiveness of tatu's are-we-aren't-we ambiguity, but to be honest i find kathleen hanna (haha here we go again!) far more ambiguous and fascinating. the most interesting thing about tatu isn't their maybe-lesbianism, but the tremendously uncynical WE DON'T CARE attitude, which works as a kind of dare: "you can't possibly understand the complex nature of our sexuality - so don't even try, fools!"

this does not change the fact that "all the things she said" is one of the finest singles of the year.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 1 June 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"Show Me Love" and "Not Gonna Get Us" are both better.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 1 June 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i think we may as well face it - they are probably not lesbians. however, does this really matter? they're not fucking with gender roles in aany big way and they're not radically changing the way people view or display their sexuality, all they are are is an extremely well marketed pop band with some great songs. however, it has struck me as funny that most every manufactured pop group has attracted gay rumours, usually furiously denied in order to maintain their teenage girl fans, but here we have two girls saying they are lovers at every turn but so many of us refusing to believe it - it's like everyone's tryong to out them as straight... who'd be famous, eh? they just can't win...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

im sorry, i always use debord as shorthand code for haha look mommy they are making the tv cameras look at them, mea culpa.

― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

They are soo not gay.

― Mary (Mary), Sunday, 1 June 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i guess if one of them was butch, they wouldn't be famous. butch teenage russian lesbian = much much more threatening to the general public than femme teenage russian lesbians.

Di OTM. Femme lesbians can translate into lesbians-for-the-masculine-gaze far easier than butch ones can. The absence of masculinity means a straight male viewer can view them in the same light as your straight girl mates snogging while drunk. Enjoying the sight of a masculine woman in an objectified sexual situation, on the other hand, might be pretty hard to stomach. Isn't part of the lure of 'lesbian porn' - the type made for men, not for women - meant to be the absence of dicks? That it's pure objectification, and having a man in there would be disturbing because the (straight male) viewer then has to consider him in a sexual light? A butch girl could just be too masculine, too close. She would definitely make it too gay.

"They're not gonna get us" is too high-pitched for me. Although apparently it has this fantastic original video featuring one of them getting jealous of the other's boyfriend and blowing up their school.

― cis (cis), Sunday, 1 June 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the appeal of lezzie pr0n for straight guys is the voyeuristic aspects (cf. straight hardcore and vicarious projection).

― Leee (Leee), Sunday, 1 June 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...

(Name pronounced REENO) Does anyone know where I can see the video?

― Rino Williams, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(Name pronounced REENO)

Thanks for the tip. I was about to call you at home to tell you about the video.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

All I can say is Honoka Asai

― Pinche Pendejo (Pinche Pendejo), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...

TaTu is gay I say there bad examples for chidren or they wil kis with other man/women I hate them so much that I don't know what the F*** there doin

― Devin Gregory Folkins, Friday, 23 April 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

all I can say is it's so motha f****** dumb

― Devin Folkins, Friday, 23 April 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Timely.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

this is amazing

― Acid! Polizei! (ex machina), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The email address says it all.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Must be part of that 'street team.'

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

if anyone has names of the juemilia girls, please post it her

thanks
ten ten

― Tenshinokiba, Thursday, 6 May 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

who was PinkMoosePearl?

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http://pinkmoose.blogspot.com/

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

aha no wonder they were so annoying on aim to me

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

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― bell_labs, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

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