a question about American prisons

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According to films and so on, men in American prisons are always raping each other.

Is this actually the case? I have my doubts.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 1 June 2003 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Were you thinking of going to America and committing a major crime, DV?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 1 June 2003 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Read these books:
NEW JACK by Ted Conover... he spent a year as a prison guard at Sing Sing.
and
HOT HOUSE ... got to look the author up. It's about life in Leavenworth.

The truth is probably a lot worse than you can imagine.

Roman (Roman), Sunday, 1 June 2003 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

DV, I don't know first-hand, and I haven't read much about it, but my impression from things picked up in articles hear and there, and from hearing informed people talk about it, is that this is probably true.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 1 June 2003 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

It's so much a commonplace that I have thought of referring to it if anyone ever threatens me on the street. "Do you want to end up. . . ?" etc.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 1 June 2003 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

here is the data on the Leavenworth book:
The Hot House: Life Inside Leavenworth Prison
by Pete Earley

Roman (Roman), Sunday, 1 June 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Were you thinking of going to America and committing a major crime, DV?

purely in the interests of research.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 1 June 2003 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Code Orange.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

DV, you should do a google to find the group "Stop Prisoner Rape". The guy who started it was named Stephen Donaldson, who was repeatedly raped in prison. He died of AIDS several years ago.

Kerry (dymaxia), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

it is a major issue in penology, and not treated with enough respect. Often judges think of it as another kind of punishment. Go to Stop Prison Rape- i think the url is www.spr.org

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it's interesting that doing time can be seen as sort of a badge of honor, a proving of masculinity -- but the flip side is the constant threat of the loss of masculinity, being made the bitch. Despite having read a lot about prisons, and having visited many of them as a reporter, I can't really imagine what it must be like. I'm sure it varies from place to place depending on a lot of factors, but in general I think it is a miserable experience that doesn't do anybody any good -- most especially the society that fosters and underwrites the system.

JesseFox (JesseFox), Sunday, 1 June 2003 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(And I'm not endorsing those definitions of masculinity and the "loss" of it, just observing them.)

JesseFox (JesseFox), Sunday, 1 June 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

so is this not the case outside of america?

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 1 June 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I imagine men in prison can fall in love, stop repressing their homosexuality and have a transformative experience, as in Cheever's Falconer.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I shudder to think what is being transformed there.

oops (Oops), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

apparently theres no rape in brazilian prisons wich are administred by groups of prisioners

Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

oh my god, that SPR.org website is scary. they have an interesting section on the master/jail-bitch relationship though.

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

just one thing - I didn't start this thread because I think male rape is somehow amusing or camp, it's more that I didn't believe it went on in American prisons to anything like that extent that films and mass media suggest it does. I'm willing to accept now that I was wrong about that. I might have a look at that SPR site, but it might be too scary for me.

and to answer another question, I don't think that kind of thing goes in British or Irish prisons to anything like the same extent.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 2 June 2003 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I imagine men in prison can fall in love, stop repressing their homosexuality and have a transformative experience, as in Cheever's Falconer.

what a ridiculous thing to say. of course they can, but the question is about a violent and extremely damaging act; not some hearts and flowers romance...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 2 June 2003 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave, I think you dropped this *hands back sense of humor*

oops (Oops), Monday, 2 June 2003 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

(If you'd read Cheever you'd get the reference, though perhaps not the irony.)

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 June 2003 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

i have my doubts

gershy, Friday, 22 February 2008 08:30 (seventeen years ago)

Fellas I've met who've actually gone to prison in the UK say it's a load of bollocks and that the gay prisoners tend to just shag other gay prisoners. Dunno about the states, though. Don't see why it would be so different.

Is it true that they pee in a cup and throw it on you, though?

Bodrick III, Friday, 22 February 2008 14:22 (seventeen years ago)

I'm sure it's not hard to get consensual bumsex in prison.

chap, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:47 (seventeen years ago)

There was a rather eye-opening letter about prison rape published in the NY Review of Books last year, which also mentions the Stop Prisoner Rape organization:

A Letter on Rape in Prisons

o. nate, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:54 (seventeen years ago)

It never occurred to me until now that this was a questionable truth! It's just one of those things that are part of my unquestioned definition of prison: bad tattoos are sometimes given, drugs are available, a toilet is in the cell, you get in for being convicted of crimes, and men rape each other all the time (and if you get convicted for being a chimo it's likely you'll get beat the shit out of or killed).

Abbott, Saturday, 23 February 2008 05:57 (seventeen years ago)

That means I live in a sad world.

Abbott, Saturday, 23 February 2008 05:57 (seventeen years ago)

From that NYT thing:

Tom Cahill, a former president of Stop Prisoner Rape, was arrested during the Vietnam War for civil disobedience. An ideologically unsympathetic jailer put him in a cell with known sexual predators, telling them he was a child molester, and that if they "took care of him" they'd get extra rations of jello. For the next twenty-four hours Tom was gang-raped. He has never fully recovered from this.

This is pretty much a summary of what I imagine prison to be like!

(Another thing: the mentally ill aren't even half tended to.)

Abbott, Saturday, 23 February 2008 05:59 (seventeen years ago)

Honest to god, what creeps me out most is that there's a shortened version of the phrase "child molester." Why in the world would it need to be shortened? Who says it enough to need those two extra syllables back?

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 23 February 2008 06:15 (seventeen years ago)

There's an anti-meth ad in the St. Louis area (maybe up here too) that has a picture of a prison cell that says "No one thinks they'll spend a romantic evening here. Meth will change that." This is how accepted and HILARIOUS prison rape is in this society.

I have a serious prison phobia, so I get really worked up and angry about shit like this.

Also, on a more general prison-related topic, I have a few teachers/peers working on this project , a project to get a supermax prison shut down. Because, y'know, they're completely barbaric and torturous. If any Illinoisans would like to write a quick email to a congressman or something, much obliged.

en i see kay, Saturday, 23 February 2008 06:21 (seventeen years ago)

Good for you, en. This country's prisons are absolutely barbaric.

That billboard is a good example for non-U.S. residents.

Abbott, Saturday, 23 February 2008 06:53 (seventeen years ago)

eight years pass...

DOJ says the US will scale back and ultimately end use of private prisons:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-department-says-it-will-end-use-of-private-prisons/?postshare=9221471534255226&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.6b7083755da6

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 18 August 2016 15:43 (eight years ago)


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