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their is a christian conference on social justice and one of the evanglical stadium tours today- the stadium tour got 10 times as many people, and coverage on the front page of the paper sat., in addition to large amounts of inside coverage.

i was thinking-my problem with evanglical christianity is its solipsim, instead of genuinly trying to "take up your cross and follow Him" and suffering to gain an understanding of self; or clothing the naked/feeding the hungry/visiting the prisoner you get multimedia specatcle intended to make the divine hip. So its ahve you found jesus, is jesus your friend, do you have a personal realtionship with your saviour-their isnt even the hard core blood imagery that this sort of revival rested on (ie are you washed in the blood of the lamb; etc)

now that this kind of christian is in the white house, and has power on a variety of policies from AIDS in Africa to Welfare to Isreal, how do we fight it-esp. if one happens to be a christian.

― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

convert to scientology

― daniel cheail (daniel cheail), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

come on im serious

― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I don't know, but for one thing: study how the Christian right has organized to get to the point where it is now.

― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think there are arguments to be made, even using premises that evangelicals can accept,

For instance, re: Israel, I think evangelicals are making a mistake, on their own premises, if they confuse the modern state of Israel with the Israel that had a covenantal relationship to God. The modern state of Israel may be the "closest continuer" of that Israel, but is it really the same? It's a secular government, after all. Actually, I've seen some things in Christiantiy Today (which the library where I work gets, so I do look at it our of curiosity--also, I use it as a source of reviews for evangelical material, since the standard review sources often do an inadequate job of covering that) which indicate that there is at least some questioning going on within the evangelical communtiy about what a Christian attitude toward Israel should be. I'm just using this issue as an example.

anthony, I think it's difficult because there's no real model in the New Testament of how a Christian should participate in a democratic government, for obvious reasons.

I realize "evangelical" does not necessarily have to mean right wing. (My father would probably be comfortable decribing himself as evangelical, but in many respects he is well to the left of the Christian right.)

― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

organised ~~crime~~ religion indeed

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

study how the Christian right has organized to get to the point where it is now.

by ensuring its financial security by demanding large sums of money from its followers (sometimes sums they can ill afford, obv.). They have given it Biblical (admittedly, OT) justification by describing it as tithing. also dubious Biblical interpretations like seeing the "widow's mite2 story as Christ's praising her (for giving all she has to live on, rather than a criticism of the extortion practiced by the Temple authorities, as it was almost certainly intended.

― MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 1 June 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The Christian right became prominent because they became the primary target demographic of a major political party (the Republican party, obv.) Evangelism = more of the result of this than the cause.

(of course that's more about Christian conservatism than conservative Christianity)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 1 June 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Evangelical as a word only means: "Of, relating to, or being a Christian church believing in the sole authority and inerrancy of the Bible, in salvation only through regeneration, and in a spiritually transformed personal life."

I would definitely consider myself this, but the type of solipsistic Evangelical Christians you are talking about I too have a big problem with. As an Evangelical Christian I have always been taught and have tried to focus on taking up my cross and following Him. A christian conference on social justice would be so much better than an evanglical stadium tour.

― A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 1 June 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not a Christian, have never been one and don't expect to ever identify myself thusly. And I have plenty of concerns about the political influence of the Christian right. But I've also been impressed with the ideals and work of many Christian leaders I've met, from many denominations, including Southern Baptists. I got to know one guy last year, an evangelical Methodist, who was being sponsored by one of those suburban mega-churches to launch a social-works program aimed at getting evangelicals more involved with social justice and community needs. I'm sure he would call himself a conservative, but he was interested enough in the world to and sincere enough in the tenets of the faith to want to really encourage Christians to live like Christ -- with humility and respect and a profound appreciation of the connections between oneself and others. And he wasn't sure that Sunday morning parking lots full of SUVs and BMWs was the best or highest expression of that commitment. That's what I think Christians can do to counter the more narcissistic elements of the faith (the idea that it's all about you and Jesus, period).

― JesseFox (JesseFox), Sunday, 1 June 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Southern Baptists can eat a bag of dicks.

― hstencil, Sunday, 1 June 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, their dick-eating ability is not in doubt. They're just shy about doing it in public.

― JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

jimmy carter, bill clinton, and dick gephardt are also Southern Baptists ...

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

like, I don't believe in frankenchrist

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 2 June 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

clinton and carter resigned their memberships

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 2 June 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

http://www.fecalface.com/POTD/upload/2007/06/6-16-07.jpg

― dat dude delmar (and what), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 00:54 (sixteen years ago)

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