The Summer Reading Thread

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recommend (at least) 2 different books:

1) a trashy summer read: eg Elmore Leonard or Chester Grimes or the Motley Crue autobio "The Dirt"

2) a big thick book that you need a vacation to devote yourself to: eg Independent People by Halldor Laxness

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

1) The Dirt - Motley Crue
2) Independent People - Halldoe Laxness

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

nobody???

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

What if you want to recommend something that's both?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

FORGET ABOUT IT!

or go right ahead. whichever you prefer.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't call Elmore Leonard trashy.
I think you alienated a lot of people with that quasi-snobbish statement.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

give me a break. trashy is no insult in my book.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

nor mine.
anyway, I have no formal summer reading list, but I've been starting Tishomingo Blues for a week and have a number of travel memoirs by women on deck, but still looking for something, uh, epic to follow my recent completion of the Count of Monte Cristo.
Any suggestions?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

1. A Confederacy of Dunces (not trashy at all, but easy to read and unintellectual).
2. Ulysses (hey, if I'm reading it, you can too).

NA. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I go more for weekly reading lists, to be honest. I bought a stack of Lawrence Block books a while ago, and have been enjoying them hugely. I wouldn't remotely call him trashy, but I wouldn't deny him a place in the same category as Elmore Leonard. They are crime books with real style and character, and the Scudder novel I just finished (Eight Million Ways To Die) is as good a depiction of alcoholism as I can remember reading.

And I went into my local remainder store yesterday, and found the latest John Barth, 'Coming Soon', at £2.99. I haven't read it yet, but he's a writer I love who is at least worth sampling. Try Giles Goat-Boy, his SF exploration of heroic myth, Lost In The Funhouse, his volume of experimental Postmodern short stories, or Tidewater Tales, a sailing story that is also a sequel to the 1001 Nights, Don Quixote, the Odyssey and Huck Finn.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Trashy book: I'm currently reading Thing of Beauthy: The Tragedy of Supermodel Gia Then I'm gonna read Shirley Conran's Lace

The big thick book that will take forever: There Once Was a World: A 900 Year Chronicle of the Shtetl of Eishyshok

rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

fritz - surely you mean chester himes?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 June 2003 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

culinary writing / cookbooks!

trashy: jeffrey steingarten's "man who ate everything" and "it must've been something i ate" along with nigella's "summer cooking"

tomes: "wilder shores of gastronomy" collection (from gastronomy), june / july / august issues of Gastronomica magazine, "gift of southern cooking" by edna lewis.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 June 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm currently reading Balkan Ghosts by Robert D. Kaplan for the fifth time. It's always the same -- it takes a month of lunch breaks for me to read it, but during those lunch breaks I'm transported to a world of sadness and hope, of struggle and sacrifice and the crushing pressure of history. I have a deep sense of admiration for the people of the Balkans for surviving everything all the historical tyrants have dished out.

I am a big Robert D. Kaplan fan. His books always transport me to a world I've never known before but somehow, subconsciously, know intimately. I've gotten acquainted with Ethiopia, West Africa, the -stans that gained independence from Mother Russia after the collapse of the Iron Curtain, the Balkans, Iran, China, and the poverty-stricken nations of Southeast Asia because of Kaplan's writings. And I don't think his books are too intellectual for a summer read. I've learned a lot from reading his books and, at the same time, have been entertained by what I've read. They read like travelogues with little history lessons tucked neatly therein.

So there. That's my (somewhat biased) recommendation.

Dee the Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 5 June 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

dee - how is "eastward to tartary"?

and what's your trashy recommendation?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 June 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Eastward to Tartary is a brilliant read, IMHO, another Kaplan book that draws the reader into an exotic world of bitter and impassioned older people, hopeful but world-weary younger people, old world markets, new world developments, the world of the Middle Ages and the world of the 21st Century clashing, etc., and in some places that I don't believe he's written about in book form, e.g. Jordan and Syria. It's also great if you're interested in an update to both Balkan Ghosts and The Ends of the Earth. In this book, you can tell that Kaplan's gotten a little bit more cynical, a little bit more world-weary, than in his earlier books (even Surrender or Starve), but he still has that little bit of hope in him that things can be worked out in these countries, that the peoples who suffer today will find stability and balance and a little bit of happiness.

Oh yeah, a second book was requested, wasn't it? I'll go ahead and say my "trashy book" choice is the Guinness Book of World Records, because it's always entertaining and fun and a great light read. Besides, I can't really think of anything beyond Bridget Jones' Diary that I've read in the last several years that *could* be considered a "trashy read". Oy. Too many textbooks. :)

Dee the Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 5 June 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

p.s.: It thrills me to no end that you know about Robert D. Kaplan. I think you're the first person ever whom I've "met" (either IRL or online) who's been aware of his works. I love this!

Dee the Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 5 June 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The big thick book that will take forever: There Once Was a World: A 900 Year Chronicle of the Shtetl of Eishyshok

Tell me about this book. Who's the author?

We all still going to start Ulysses on Bloomsday? Guys?

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 5 June 2003 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

My summer reading list (subject to change):

The Mirror Maker, Primo Levi
Lulu in Hollywood, Louise Brooks
World of Our Fathers, Irving Howe
Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, Charles Mackay
Tales From Ovid, Ted Hughes
King Leopold's Ghost, Adam Hochschild
Barney's Version, Mordecai Richler
Austerlitz, WG Sebald

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 5 June 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Most of Robert Kaplan's books have been bestsellers, at least since he got really famous when Bill Clinton name-checked Balkan Ghosts. I have been half-interested in his futurist-travelogues, at least when he's writing about America, but I'd be more interested in them if they were written by someone who disliked democracy less than he does.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 5 June 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

he cannot be worse than the pseudo-intellect democracy lovah bernard lewis.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 June 2003 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Kaplan's not a democracy-hater, he's a realist. He is a fan of democracy, but not to the point where he thinks it solves all the world's problems. If a nation is starving and guerilla warfare abounds, the country isn't going to fix its problems by holding free elections. You focus in on what the country needs and listen to the people first. This point is expanded on much better when Kaplan talks about Pakistan and the reason why terrorist groups are so attractive to the everyday citizen, and Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge's efforts ca. 1994 to sabotage the humanitarian efforts of volunteers from the post-industrial world.

I knew about Kaplan and the whole "Clinton read Balkan Ghosts and decided not to get involved in Yugoslavia because of it" debacle, but I sincerely believed that was a cop-out Clinton used to not become committed to the region. Kaplan never talked about the situation in the Balkans in a manner that would lead me to believe he thought what NATO's peacekeeper troops were doing was in any way a bad idea. All of this paragraph, of course, is tainted by my own personal views of Clinton and of Kaplan's POV re: conflicts in general. You know what I'm like already. ;)

I'm perfectly willing to agree to disagree here. In fact, after arguing politics with people for years, I'm actually asking to. Right now. Just don't have the energy in me to argue something for an age and a day, especially if you're not the "convincing" type (i.e. you've got your mind made up).

Dee the Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 5 June 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Kaplan on democracy

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 5 June 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

my aunt edited that shtetl book. Are you actually going to read it?

turner (turner), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The author is Yaffa Eliach. I can tell you more about the book once I've actually read it.

cross-post! turner: eventually!

rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

We all still going to start Ulysses on Bloomsday? Guys?

I'm still up for this.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Barney's Version, classic. Richler's best novel. How come we haven't had a Mordecai Richler thread? Best "man of letters" since Mencken?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Do it Mann! Do it! I'm really looking forward to reading this--I actually snuck a peek at the first chapter & enjoyed it very much.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Do start on B-Day, you will treasure the sunshine memory forever.

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

''We all still going to start Ulysses on Bloomsday? Guys?
I'm still up for this.''

OK.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

When is Bloomsday? June 16th or 17th? I've been reading Ulysses for a week or two, so I'm about 200 pages in, but I'll probably still be reading it on Bloomsday.

NA. (Nick A.), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i'm gonna knock out the sleepwalkers by hermann broch.

if i remember correctly, tomorrow is bloomsday.

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

What? Really? I think you're right.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

No, it's the 16th, I just checked it out.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I read it for the first time earlier this year. it took me 3-4 weeks, but that's bcz I didn't really work at trying to get the story etc. just enjoyed the writing and the jokes.

anyway, is there anywhere in the web or elsewhere where i can get translations to phrases written in other languages throughout the text?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The only Kaplan I've read is Warrior Politics, but I wasn't that impressed with it. His readings of the various ancient philosophers seemed glib and superficial. I guess I'm just not that interested in a book that tries to boil down Thucydides (for example) to one easy-to-remember inspirational maxim straight out of a "leadership" self-help book.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

julio - i don't know about the web, but if you're very interested i'd recommend the book "ulysses annotated" by Don Gifford (university of california press). It's basically a 200 or 300 page annotation, almost line by line, of the book. it explains all the foreign words, irish slang, references to pop figures and art, snatches of poetry or songs ... i had to do ulysses a few times in college and it was always by the prof's side.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

ps - i'm in on "ulysses" and i'd be happy to post stuff out of my annotation.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks vahid that would be super (& I'm going to look for the book you mentioned)

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

This summer I shall continue reading Moomin books, I am on The Exploits of Moominpappa at the mo, and then it'll be Moominsummer Madness. For the long book I am going to try the Wind-up Bird Chronicle. I shall temper with this with bits of Banana Yoshimto, comics and Adidos Muchachos by Daniel Chavarria, which I basically got for free.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

summer poetry:

trashy - "walt whitman's selected poems" edited by harold bloom (library of america's american poets project)

classy - "War music" and "all day permanent red" by christopher logue
"collected poems" james merrill

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

actually merrill's pretty trashy fun, but god that book's a TOME.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

my william mayne jag is slowing a bit BUT i just gave dr vick the earthfats/cradlefasts/candlefasts trio to dr vick fr her birthday so hurrah

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 5 June 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

mark that post was a pap boat with double lashings of vick

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 5 June 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Summer "fluff" reading - the Tokyo Suckerpunch trilogy - hillarious and quite entertaining escapism (besides making me want to go to Japan.)

Summer "non-fluff" reading - Middlesex, all of Dawn Powell's books that I've not yet delved into, a whole stack of 'histories of various towns/countries/regions' that all appealed to me at one time or another, so I bought them and now have to read them.

Crap - actually my summer reading list is so large that I can't even figure-out how to get it into some semblance of categorical order. I'll just post whatever I finish, instead.

But I recommend the Isaac Adamson/Tokyo books - not brilliant fiction, but just plain delightful.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 6 June 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

i will get a copy of ulysses from the library and actually read it this time! (my own copy is 2900 miles away)

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 June 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

o.nate:

Warrior Politics is actually a bit of an oddity for Kaplan in that it's 100% a book about theories and ideas instead of a travelogue that supports some theories and ideas. With that book, you really don't get to be swept away to some exciting foreign destination that doesn't involve resorts or tons of tourists. (Well, Greece *could* count there, but Kaplan never made it a point to cover Greece in that sort of manner.)

If you're looking for a starting point for Robert D. Kaplan, go ahead and read The Ends of the Earth, and then Balkan Ghosts. Those two will definitely get you started on him. And should you become a fan of his, you will be able to get into his "pure theory" writings as well. If you just like the books, though, that's good enough.

Dee the Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 6 June 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Lanark, Alasdair Gray--not fluffy, but strangely riveting

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 6 June 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

And should you become a fan of his, you will be able to get into his "pure theory" writings as well

I know he has a good reputation, and I'm sure there must be something more substantive behind it than the rather vague bromides of Warrior Politics - so I imagine he must be a capable reporter. However, when shorn of context, his ideas (not sure if they're really developed enough to call "theories") seem elusively vague. Perhaps political realism as such is not particularly conducive to a theoretical explication. After all, isn't the point that you can't rely on abstract theories? Every situation is different. It might be interesting to read Kaplan's interpretation of a particular political situation, but in this book he is resolved to base his examples on the classics, and I don't think his grasp of classical history is really strong enough to support this kind of approach at book length. Perhaps if he stuck to contemporary situations that he has first-hand knowledge of, the results might be more engaging.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 6 June 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)


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