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David is up North hunting moose and game fowl all weekend, so hunting classic or dud ?

anthony, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

hunting for birds in discos: DUD ;-)

nathalie, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Moose and game fowl? Bit of a diff twixt species there. Still, the trusty Blunderbuss suits all.
Moose n' game fowl pie for D&A all next week!

DavidM, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Although I understand the scientific reasons for hunting - that with their natural predators removed by humans, herds of wild animals must be culled or they will grow so numerous they will die from famine anyway - but the actual practice always seemed fairly nasty. A bunch of drunk rednecks and exported city slickers (sorry for the slur, but really... this is upstate NY) stumbling around the forests (which I liked to hang out and contemplate in) shooting at anything that moved. No offense intended to anyone who *does* hunt, but these idiots made hunting season a pretty dangerous time to be out in my teenage years.

I don't know which was worse- the rednecks that knew what they were supposed to be shooting at, but were too drunk to do so, so they'd fire randomly - or the city slickers who used to try to drive home with anything from goats to dogs strapped to the front of their car.

Only one property in our area is *not* posted and signed against hunting, but the damned idiots would end up everywhere anyway. If you want to go into the great wilds and hunt, that's your business. But hunting in a populated area such as this is dangerous and irresponsible, and THOSE are the people who have formed my opinions of the "sport".

kate, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Moose? No, no no.... dud. Dud in every context except survival.

Kim, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

We do not have to buy meat for the winter , We get tasty and nutrioous food for pennies a pound. It takes skill and we only shoot as much as we need . We share with our neighbors and friends. I do not think it is a matter of surrvival but thrift.

anthony, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dastoor is no doubt busy with more important issues, but this is the *third* hunting thread on ILE.

I say unto you now as I said unto you then: British hunt supporters, stare at the dwindling number of rural constituencies held by the Tories, and think on.

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If you eat your meat as you do, I'm all for it. I decided that I would become vegetarian unless I was hunting my own meat so that I would fully understand what was involved; needing meat for food is natural but if you get everything you eat from the supermarket you might as well continue being unnatural, spare the animals some pain and not eat meat. If it's simply for sport then it's a cruel and disgusting game.

Maria, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I find hunting filthy.

The simple implication of the hunter is: superiority to a creature gives one a right to take its life.

Do hunters here disagree with that premise or accept it?

chris t-t, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For god's sake has anybody here ever seen the Discovery Channel. Nature's nasty!

dave q, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Other hunting threads here and here

Nick, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dave Q's political creed: 'You and me baby we ain't nothing but mammals so lets do it like they do on the Discovery Channel' ?

Nick, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four years pass...
It's shotgun season for deer where I live, and someone's going apeshit with a gun in the woods around my house. Scores of shots. I think he's under attack by an angry herd of deer. Should I try to help him?

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

hopefully maybe it's someone being attacked by a hoard of zombies!

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

whoa, tough room

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

maybe extend into a routine & sell to huk

oooh, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I've got my orange sweater on and I'm going out. I still have some cleanup work to do at one of my landscaping jobs down the road. If I never post again, you'll know what happened.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

I think he's under attack by an angry herd of deer. Should I try to help him?

No, you should let nature take its course.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

A friend of mine in Jackson Hole, WY, knew ski bums that would bag like one or two elk in the fall and have all the meat they needed for the winter. To which I say: CLASSIC.

Killing, cleaning, and butchering an animal by yourself >>>>>>> buying factory-processed beef at the grocery store. Anyone that gets self-righteous about hunting and STILL eats store-bought meat is a sanctimonious asshole and a hypocrite.

...anyway...

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I don't want to kill it myself, but I'm delighted when my hunter friends give me some venison. If I absolutely had too I might be able to kill a chicken, but that's about it. And I LOVE all meat. I try to buy the humanely raised and slaughtered stuff, blah blah blah.
But I'm still paying someone else to do the dirty work.
The trouble is, far from the upper-crust fox hunting tradition, deer hunting is working class and many people turn their noses up. We're not too enlightened about slaughterhouse workers, either. Along with other vital workers like trash collectors, waste management people, etc, we consider them untouchable-caste people, and they're generally underpaid and disrespected. That's what results in incidents like the Tyson plant chicken-torture. Treat the workers like shit, they'll sink to the level of your expectations.
Sorry about going off on a tiresome pinko rant. ESTEBAN's gonna show up any second.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Bow hunting for elk is fairly classic, because you have to be insanely skilled and patient to do it, therefore few elk are bagged that way and the hunter who succeeds has earned it.

Baiting deer to a lick or a bag of feed so you can blast them at 5am on opening day like fish in a barrel, majorly dud. Why not just raise them in a pen and stop calling it hunting?

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

I've been invited to go deer-hunting but never bothered to go. It just seems boring - sit in a blind by a feeder, wait for some poor buck to wander up for lunch and then blast him.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

If I absolutely had too I might be able to kill a chicken, but that's about it.

Killing a chicken is worse! It's so hands-on. At least with shooting something, you don't have to hold it down while it struggles for its life.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Baiting deer to a lick or a bag of feed so you can blast them at 5am on opening day like fish in a barrel, majorly dud.

True.

But, in places like Minnesota/Wisconsin, they're just going to end up getting nailed on the Interstate and left to rot. The Mid west has a MAJOR deer problem; they're more like vermin than majestic wild animals (in that they're effing EVERYWHERE).

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

The baited deer dies happy, his mouth full of apples, instead of running scared. If I had the choice I'd go that way. I don't know why it's illegal. The deer population is exploding, and hunters all want bucks which doesn't serve to regulate their numbers. I'm a landscaper and I have to take a month of doxy for Lyme EVERY FUCKING YEAR. It takes months for my system to recover.
Today there were about 12 hunters congregating in my neighbor's front yard. Those must have been the shots I heard. They had at least one deer. Then a few hundred yards down the road I had to slam on my brakes to avoid 3 does. One fell in the road, ass-over-teakettle, and keep losing her footing in the mad scramble. I thought she'd broken a leg, but she finally ran off. That's the other thing. Everyone in my family has hit deer. My son hit a fawn and injured it—a neighbor had to go get a gun and shoot it. Fucking shit.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Aren't elk hunters worried about that bovine encephalopathy-type wasting disease?

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

I've hit or almost hit deer countless times. It's not uncommon to see 30+ deer in the field across the road from my parents' house.

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Here (Martha's Vineyard) the police keep a list of families to call when a deer is road-killed, so the meat will be used.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Mmmmm, CWD.

Aren't elk hunters worried about that bovine encephalopathy-type wasting disease?

Well, presumably not the ski bums of Jackson, worrying is not in their profile. Plus CWD is down by Laramie and I don't think in the Winds or Tetons so much.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

hunters all want bucks

Shooting does is illegal, except in very rare cases where a state declares a limited open season on does in addition to bucks. Personally, I think that letting hunters bag does is used all too rarely. Should be about every 8 or 10 years, like clockwork.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

They worry about weed, pussy, and beer. And freshies: how much, and when's the next fucking storm cycle?


...*sigh* I miss the life.

giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

Shootin' shit's what sets us apart from the animals.

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

Shooting kangaroos is pretty gnarly. They're about human size and they move around all upright like us. The worst is when you shoot one but don't kill it, and then you have to walk over and finish it off while it's twitching and trying hopelessly to drag itself away with it's frail little arms.

GL, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

They worry about weed, pussy, and beer. And freshies: how much, and when's the next fucking storm cycle?

If you add in bank heists, I think you are fantasizing about living in the Keanu/Swayze vehicle "Point Break." That was surfing tho, I guess. Same dif.

Check out large landowners hording MY deer and elk by employing herders to move them down onto their spreads for private hunts, upon which they make the cash:

"We ran into countless frustrated hunters. Many recounted similar stories of seeing groups of five-plus gunless horseback riders pushing elk herds down to private property.

"One said he had personal experience of once belonging to a hunting club just south of the Bears Ears area that would put the ranch hands out all night long on the fence posts with lights and noisemakers to keep the elk from jumping out of the private property." Denver Post 11/16

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)

Massachusetts allows hunters to shoot does, but they still don't really want to. I guess it's engrained in the hunter's code, a safeguard against depleting the food supply. Around here you hardly ever see bucks—just big herds of does. So they're inbred, on top of everything else, all the fawns sired by a handful of bucks. They must get tired of the incessant sexual demands of the does.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

The greatest ever Simpsons joke

Homer has just crashed his car into a topiary representation of a deer

Homer: D'oh!

Marge: A deer!

Lisa: A female deer!

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

If Massachusetts lets hunters shoot does then the hunters are dumbfucks not to do so. Them's good eatin', as Cletus on The Simpsons might say. But then again, I suppose men are always going to be overly fascinated by a good rack.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Aimless to Levi's thread!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)


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