collaborative writing

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Collaborative writing is the act of taking the efforts and ideas of multiple authors and combining them to one work. Collaboration in general is particularly powerful for writing, as writing has no pace, and writers cannot interrupt oneanother. Writing has a permanence, and more recently a transmitability which allows multiple people to review and comment on a work. Most recently, collaborative writing systems have come to exist with the tools newly available thanks to computers and the internet.

Compare some collaborative writing systems such as the wiki with zuihitsu. Systems such as the wiki, which intentionally engender a fluidity of mind, when combined with a collaborative aspect will allow multiple authors to aid oneanother in subtle yet striking ways. Imagine one author with brilliant and yet unrefined and disorganized ways of thinking. Take said author and have those talents backed up with a researcher and an English teacher. The combination of multiple abilities is what makes collaborative writing most powerful. A harmony through participation can have all members' abilities greatly enhanced.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Well I think this

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I think this

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

because this system has worked SO well in pop music.
art by committee is ALWAYS better.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I made a fiction index for people who would like to participate in this project.

To start a page for your nanowrimo novel, short story, film script etc you just have to edit the page, write two words (or more) together with cap letters ex: NewPage would create the "seed" page for your project. To add content to the new page, you just have to click on the question mark next to it: it'll make it a hyperlink when you'll get back there later. You have to try it to see how sweet and simple it is :-)

If anyone got a question on this don't hesitate and ask, I'll do my best to answer when I'll get back from work.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

art by committee is ALWAYS better.

for all that people scoff at the art by committee idea, pop music (and ROCK music, and indie music, etc.) and film are successful collaborative artforms, for all that critics try to impose a heroic-auteur model onto them. So why not writing as well?

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

the writing for lots of uk and us comedies is done by teams: some of them are v.poor, some not

anyway, ben and dom stud to thread

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, comedy can be a good example of when team writing works.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I would imagine so. I don't understand how a person could know if something they wrote was funny without someone else to bounce it off of.

NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Calvin (of & Hobbes of course) on a comic book: "Look at the great committee that drew this issue!"

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I would imagine so. I don't understand how a person could know if something they wrote was funny without someone else to bounce it off of.

Well, you just count the number of times you've used the word "bootyflakes" and then you know.

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

In Japan there is a long tradition of collaborative writing. I am certain they have a specific name for it (that I don't know and therefore can't say), but one such tradition consists of composing alternatng tankas (a short verse form, a bit longer than haikus). It was a social activity, often engaged in after a dinner party. You might say that there is a similar tradition in English, the most famous example of which is Sir Walter Raleigh's 'answer' to Kit Marlowe's The Passionate Shepard To His Love.

Collaborative writing doesn't often result in lasting or 'great' literature, but it is certainly a bit of harmless fun and is far more stimulating than watching the television. Think of it as another drinking game.

Aimless, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm helping to organize a collaborative poetry (+ other media) festival this fall. I'm pretty excited about it; some of my favorite work was done in collaboration. But I'm also a big fan of rules and constraints in writing, and it seems like collaboration forces rules and constraints, so yeah. It's good.

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Those collaborative poems (renga named the game and the resultant poem) involved haikus too. But they were rarely appreciated as collaborative efforts - individual verses tended to be picked out and preserved (especially the first, as it was generally composed in advance by one of the top poets, rather than improvised at the time by all of the guests), with no general idea of keeping the resultant poem. It was the opening stanza which evolved into what are now called haikus.

There was also collaboration between poets and calligraphers and painters in Japan (though often two or all three of those roles might be played by one person), to produce scrolls. I think this (and the prominence of monochrome ink illustration at the top of Japan's artistic tree) is why comics are so comfortably accepted in Japan.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

apparently it's not ok to use the first place I made so here's another one

http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?doc=CollaborativeWriting&wikiid=2315&wpid=

"Analysing society as a hypercomplex conglomerate of social subsystems, Luhmann insists that modern societies are so complex that his own theory of social complexity can offer only one possible formulation of the social among others. "
this collaborative writing project could add many other formulation,
a multiplicity depicting being @ multiplicity.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I was thinking about this thread and my conclusion that ILE/M/F is the perfect collab writing environment. And the people are already there, lots of m'.

Which brings me to my second point: speed and search

If only ixlor were faster and the search was Google's. I estimated that less than 1000 pages are index by Google

Replace Pete by your name: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22pete%22+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Filx.wh3rd.net

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Jan, technically speaking ILX is not made to permit editing of other's writing unless you are a moderator.
If we could add a wiki to ILX I guess that should do it.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

for all that people scoff at the art by committee idea, pop music (and ROCK music, and indie music, etc.) and film are successful collaborative artforms, for all that critics try to impose a heroic-auteur model onto them. So why not writing as well?

But technically writing is a collaborative artform. You have your suthor, and your publisher, and your editor, and in some cases your illustrator, etc. But having more than one author proper sounds difficult to work. Not impossible, just difficult. Like having three drummers for a band.

mouse, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

mouse, benefit from the experience of people who tried at
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiFiction

2 comments that I liked there:

"I think this is a great idea as well. There are many collaborative short story boards on the web that work with one person writing the opening and each other writer following in sequence. Usually after a few entries they dry up or get rather silly. People tend to start with great sounding openings which somehow leave others no idea on how to follow up. An opening should lead to a plot, and thinking up an entire plot is almost as much work as writing a story yourself - and then if nobody else sees potential in your plot the collaborative project fizzles. Ideally someone who has a completed story which they still like but know is not usable as is would provide a seed - and hopefully a printable story with three or four co-authors would result. I would enjoy working on someone else's story - or have a couple of potential seeds if nobody else does. -- DavidWeisman "

"Well put, David. I used to run a seres of collaborative fiction games online (via InternetRelayChat), and I discovered that they worked best when we had established a few rules. Too many rules caused authors to seize up, while too few rules caused degeneration of the story into silliness or inanity. It might be worthwhile setting up a Wiki with a few established writing rules, perhaps including an intended direction for a few stories. -- BrentNewhall "

To optimize it's chances of success, I think each writing project should democratically establish a custom-made set of rules/recommendations/methodologies.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
The more difficult thing with a wiki, I find, is figuring out exactly what you want to do with it and how. I sometimes find myself writing entries as if it is Wikipedia, where I contribute frequently. I do think that artistic things can be done with wiki in the same sense that you can do artistic things with any computer application (potentially). But I think that while there may be interesting collaborative art based on our more traditional written forms (fiction, screenplays, oral history, encyclopedias and other reference material), there may be a wholly new creative aesthetic that goes along with a wiki.

Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 21 August 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

And by this I mean whole new forms, not just mimics of older ones. Just like blogs (well, the best ones) created a new form of writing that was more than a personal journal.

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 22 August 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

from a scrytch.faq:


Q : What is "scrytch"?

A : scrytch grew out of a need to write. more specifically, scrytch grew out
of the need to try out collaborative prose in a networked forum. the idea was
that multiple authors could combine various approaches and ideas, and that the
finished work would be richer than the sum of its parts.

the problem was that the e.list environment [in which scrytch is now being
done] wasn't conducive to "finished" works, long works, or even necessarily
collaborative works. the first two problems were /almost/ limitations of the
medium, and the last had to do with a raging debate in lit circles about
authorial property and appropriation.

what we ended up doing to come up with scrytch was concede: "ok, let's say that
we treat this prose as a sort of compost-pile, memetic silage, idea-humus? and
more, what if we all agree that for the purposes of scrytch, words are fluid;
it's a writing exercise, so let's say we can all appropriate freely bits and
bytes from each others' scrytch? we can maybe publish 'anthologies' of scrytch
some day, but can't sell 'em, and can't claim it all as any one of ours? what
do we get out of this individually? well, we get to see if collaborative prose
can even WORK in the network environment. we get to try out those cut-up and
appropriation writing techniques that Burroughs warned us about. we get to
develop 100% net-rooted prose if we want. we get to try ANYTHING topic or
approach-wise, and we get to hone our respective styles in relation to the
other scrytchers, so that when we DO go out and write a larger piece for sale
or whatnot, we've had the hands-in-the-dirt practice with freedom of ideas and
style to do it well!"

so this is what we agreed on, and now a bunch of writers are scrytching.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 29 August 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I think this BECOMES Well I think this

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 29 August 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Well,?

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 29 August 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this becomes "The world wants neon eyeliner."

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 29 August 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
anyone have tried wikispaces.org ?

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 24 April 2005 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)


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