Mathematical **PROOF** of God

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I hope Alex Chiu has seen this.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Apparently God's message is intended only for English-speakin' folks.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Max Cohen to thread.

Sommermute (Wintermute), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe he has alternate translations at other offsets in pi?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"This is God here."

!!! God has very poor sentence structuring abilities.

NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahaha

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hello. This is God speaking. Here I am. I created the universe."

This one is ok.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Wouldn't God, as the supreme being and all, have something more interesting to say?

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I bet He was all like, "OK, so I have this important message for humanity, which I'm going to encode in an infinite numerical value...I better think of something interesting to say...hmmm...ok, how about 'Websters Dictionary defines 'God' as 'a being worshipped by monotheists as the perfect, omnipotent,' no, that just sounds like I'm blowing my own horn...let's see..." and eventually He just got frustrated and went with the obvious "Here I am. I created the universe." so He could get it over with and watch Law & Order.

NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Apparently God's message is intended only for English-speakin' folks.

Also, God only counts in base 10 numbers...

Dale the Merciless (cprek), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, smart ass... he made us in *HIS* image and likeness ..... We have 10 fingers for a reason!

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Hi, this is God. A good friend of yours is worried about your ongoing struggles with pain and suffering...

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Not really. You can count on your fingers in base 24 by placing your counting your thumb to each of the three finger joints. This was a well known way of counting in ancient Indian mathematics, and an equally valid alternative to base ten. natch.

Dale the Merciless (cprek), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course the correct answer is base 42.

Dale the Merciless (cprek), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You and your actual knowledge, psh.

(trying the thumb-to-finger-joints-thing, cartoon light bulb igniting over head)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't do the finger thing, but I can/do count in binary on my hands... 0-1023

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a good thing God didn't want to put any of the first nine letters of the alphabet after an A (or any of the first six after a B) in his message.

The message is clearly in English because God hid it beyond the first hundred million digits and he carefully worked out what the dominant world language would be when we managed to find that many digits, right? Ahhh.

Oh, and search pi for your name. Or don't, of course.

Frazer, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

You could find this entire thread somewhere in pi.

Dale the Merciless (cprek), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

pi proves islam shockah!

search string = "allah"
25-bit binary equivalent = 0000101100011000000101000

search string found at binary index = 2518717596
binary pi : 1100111100001011000110000001010000000100110011011001101010000110
binary string: 0000101100011000000101000
character pi : :focome_qndrp:,t;oallahafmsjcc.ijgpnr.
character string: allah

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

pi proves monkeys can write Shakespeare!

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just reading about Norman BLoom who makes such claims as well but it's shown that he can prove ANYTHING by his methods.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Michael Drosnin to thread.

Dale the Merciless (cprek), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"norman bloom can prove anything by his methods" < - > anything is provable < - > everything is provable < - > everything is < - > everything.

(and the universe vanishes in a soft puff of smoke)

(or maybe a lauryn hill chorus)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

heababaeb0hiaiiaigaedaiafeaaaiadgheaheiaacicaheab0edb0hebaadibbeahaie
hstencil, help me out here,
aren't these the lyrics to King Kong's "Old Man on the Bridge"?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, something like that. Also, "Old man standing all alone/ Give me some pot and get me stoned." Obv. Ethan Buckler found God many many years before this crackpot.

hstencil, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

and then there's the part where he starts screaming about how he is proud to be, proud to be...King Kong.
I'm going to listen to that when I get home. And then sell all my earthly possessions and hang out in airports.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Oolon Colluphid to thread!

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

search string = "mitch"
25-bit binary equivalent = 0110101001101000001101000

search string found at binary index = 3649262532
binary pi : 1001000001101010011010000011010000000000100111010111000000111101
binary string: 0110101001101000001101000
character pi : ,o,:;_dkrnedpmitch_d.n_;:ibd:ioh_;jtvi
character string: mitch


"nedpmitch"! ned Ps me!! dan to universe!

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Beautiful.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Hello. This is God speaking. I know someone who has a crush on you. Please reply with an infinite number sequence to receive three clues.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Hello. This is God speaking.

"I want you to stop touching yourself."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"nedpmitch"! ned Ps me!! dan to universe!

HAHAHA empirical proof that I AM GOD

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

you are a menace.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The digits given don't coincide with any in pi up to about 4 billion places, as far as I can tell.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

For the love of all that is sacred, David Hume to thread!

Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

This makes no sense, so it can't be right

No, really?

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Eyeball Kicks, you're not telling us this isn't real, surely?

This is the same as proving that Shakespeare was really an infinite number of chimpanzees. Which makes the pre-production rehearsals for Hamlet a more appealing thing to think about than previously, admittedly.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Eyeball Kicks, you're not telling us this isn't real, surely?

Can't be sure yet. I'm sitting here working pi out digit by digit. 5 billion done. When can I clock off? The end is coming, surely?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Unfortunately, neither shakespeare or monkeys are in the first 4bil.
Hamlet is:
search string = "hamlet"
/eh?
character pi : qxpah-,gapunp:zhamletzs,-ivopoxnwok-vo

But rather more pleasingly:

search string = "monkees"
search string found at binary index = 711342142
character pi : x_cjx.kepewiotjsfpmonkeesd.hzfojvpbhu

Simeon (Simeon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Speaking of Hamlet:

http://www.frailart.net/members/kodanshi/Hammylet.jpg

N. Ron, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

As Pi is an irrational number, surely any string of numbers will be found at some point so therefore any phrase could be found.

Davel, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Ssh!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Davel: I challenge your statement.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Why?

davel, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Cantor to thread!

Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Davel: there is no basis for assuming the distribution of decimal digits in pi is truly random

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

There is hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence, though.

But davel's initial statement is wrong: irrational numbers don't have to contain all possible strings of numbers.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Example:

you could have a number like:


2.221221222122221222221222222122222221.....

and it would be non repeating, non terminating :D

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

There are some interesting links on this subject on the page I attempted to link to earlier. Can't read the pdfs from here, but this one is readable even to a layman like me.

Thinking about this stuff makes me realise that I've forgotten most of the maths I ever knew. If I thought a little harder about that I'd remember that I was never much good at it anyway. It's all very pretty and neat and fascinating but when it comes to actually piecing it all together or remembering theorems etc my brain just doesn't seem built right.

Frazer, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Example:
you could have a number like:


2.221221222122221222221222222122222221.....

and it would be non repeating, non terminating :D


-- Jon Williams (x...), June 11th, 2003

But surely you can't call that random since it has a logical pattern to it? Each "1" separates an incrementally increasing number of "2"s.

N. Ron, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

it is certainly non repeating non terminating

i'm sure people have studied the randomness of the digits of pi

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I initially said that the fact that pi is irrational meant that the digits within it were completely random.

John was giving an example of an irrational number that was not random which means that you cannot rely on the irrationality of a number to know if the digits compiling the number are random.

My statement is true if and only if the digits in pi are random (this is as yet unproven, see the above link).

Which begs the question, is there any infinite number that is completely random?

davel, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

First of all, I do not refute the ostensible claim that God exists. However, this person did not specify on where in the string of pi the magical set of numbers he speaks of appears, which I find slightly suspicious.

But then again, it does not matter. Mathematically, pi is an irrational number whose string never terminates. That is to say, the numbers after the decimal point go on infinitely. Given Poincare's recurrence theorem, every conceivable set of numbers will at some point appear within the numbers of pi. By this logic, the entire King James version of the Bible is in there, as are all 8 volumes of "Remembrances of Things Past" by Marcel Proust. And let's not forget the convenient availability of an infinite number of ciphers to decrypt any given set of numbers with. In that context, perhaps it is not so impressive that the phrase he speaks of appears in it, since every phrase conceivable (and inconceivable) is also in it.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

What on earth has Poincares theorem got to do with pi?

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

on science and spirituality, I ran across this info a couple of days ago:

Einstein's quote regarding Spinoza's God :
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

Michael Gilmore wrote an article regarding "Einstein's God," that
concluded: "Although not a favorite of physicists, Einstein, The Life and Times, by the professional biographer Ronald W. Clark (1971), contains one of the best summaries on Einstein's God: "However, Einstein's God was not the God of most men. When he wrote of religion, as he often did in middle and later life, he tended to...clothe with different names what to many ordinary mortals--and to most Jews--looked like a variant of simple agnosticism...This was belief enough. It grew early and rooted deep. Only later was it dignified by the title of cosmic religion, a phrase which gave
plausible respectability to the views of a man who did not believe in a life after death and who felt that if virtue paid off in the earthly one, then this was the result of cause and effect rather than celestial reward. Einstein's God thus stood for an orderly system obeying rules which could be discovered by those who had the courage, the imagination, and the persistence to go on searching for them."
"Einstein continued to search, even to the last days of his 76 years,
but his search was not for the God of Abraham or Moses. His search was for the order and harmony of the world. "

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Given Poincare's recurrence theorem, every conceivable set of numbers will at some point appear within the numbers of pi.

!!!

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 12 June 2003 08:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The question is; Why would anyone go to the trouble of making up deciphering those digits from Pi?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 June 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

What on earth has Poincares theorem got to do with pi?

Poincare's lesser-known theorem: "Like, pecan pie yo! MOFO BOMB!"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 June 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew - make them be quiet about maths, will you?

Lara (Lara), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

They're not. They're talking about god.

Beats shoes, anyway.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

*Faints*

Lara (Lara), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Douglas Hofstadter to thread.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Au contraire, Manolo Blahnik to thread!

Lara (Lara), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Mathematical **PROOF** of God's absence.

From http://www.angelfire.com/mt/ofolives/pisearch.html


"Your Name In p!!!
I searched 20000002 digits of p, and found GOD 1053 times. The first occurrence was at position 29639.

This is later than usual. About 77.8% of 3 letter words occur earlier than that.

You are the 11152nd p searcher overall, and the 108th to search for GOD (Since August 2000)."

Later than usual, eh? I'd expect nothing less from the fucker.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)


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