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Apparently they're not the first province to do so, but in any event, this rocks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i dont think it does ned.
i think the idea of the government acting in the bedrooms of the nation is essentially a negative thing, and that their should be less of it not more of it.

i think, as well, that this is the needless aping of a heterosexual ritual that is basically about property and ownership of a person, and in that way deeply antiquated.

as well it is a misapplication of resources, people still lose jobs, families and lives over being queer, their are more important battles to fight.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:00 (twenty-two years ago)

but this way gay couples can, if they want to, receive the benefits that straight married couples do. What's the harm in that?

hstencil, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:01 (twenty-two years ago)

the harm is that it further legitimizes a ritual that needs to be reconsidered, the harm is that it means that we are playing breeder.

the harm is an enourmous amount of money and effort went into something pointless rather then something that might do some really change.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

anthony yer a doh brain - gay couples can now access company pensions, tax benefits, etc. because of this ...

doom-e, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i know that.
but we shouldnt have to play their games to get crumbs.
at the end of the day, i dont like the idea of marriage being rewarded by the state, str8, gay, polyamorous.

and lots of compaines (disney,apple,universal paramount, xerox, ibm, the ontario, alberta and bc governments, the toronto,vancouver,winnipeg,nyc school systems) give benefits anyways.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

and wills? probate? being able to share legally in the estate if their is no will? it's landmark..

doom-e, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

david and i, when we were together, went to a lawyer and had wills made up.

i like the idea of actually having to think about who gets my money when i die, and with the magic powers that exist with the laws that are already there i can give them all to the latvian dwarf foundation of mud wrestling if i want.

and then the state doesnt have to get involved in what are basically my affairs.

(the same thing can exist for kids, real estate or any of the other issues that are raised)

of course its landmark, i think we are just cruising down the wrong road.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

And anthony have you ever thought that there are gay people, who are conventional, conservative and love the idea that they can now fall in love and get married?

by canadian law, regardless of wills, the married partner is owed a certain portion of the state - say, you were with a man for twenty years and he left you for a slimmer streamline model, you could now, legally get support from your partner ... it's all good, anthony. everyone should be afforded the same rights, gay or straight. and personally, i find the whole 'breeders' thing boring as hell. who bred the gay? but a breeder?

sheesh.

doom-e, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 07:48 (twenty-two years ago)

im half being faectious with the breeder talk.
but you arent really listening to me doom-e

to use a canadian example-trudeau said about homosexuailty, that the nation had no place in bedroom(i am paraphrasing), and i belive that.

i think that canadian law is flawed, i think the state interferring with something that should take place b/w two or more people who love each other, and perhaps god is their own buisness.

if a log cabin couple wanted to get hitched, more power to them, have a do, do it infront of friends and family-thats all ok but dont bother getting the rest of the 26 million involved.

and i think the same thing for boys and girls.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, obviously in an ideal state, we would have no laws governing love, the law of love, is a ridiculous misnomer, but at the same time, i can see allowing gays the same rights (and this would also mean, that gays will now be considered common-law i.e. not marrying but being able to have the same rights as others) as only a good thing.

or maybe bein 'ard-core about being gay is no longer a scary thing in canada - and that is what freaks you out?

doom-e, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

no
nothing freaks me out here.

one-we are going in the opposite direction of the way we need to be going re:interference.
two-we have bigger fish to fry.
three-this is judical rather then democratic.
four-alberta isnt ontario and toronto isnt hamilton.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess we might be first province, but BC is right up there if not ahead. Anglician church has been preforming a blessing of some sort for gay couples for some time now.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree w/ anthony - the real mark of progress here would be to recognize gay common-law relationships w/ the same legal status as straight common-law relationships...

the only people who should be celebrating this are the photographers and florists and other rackets who feed off wddings

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Do people have big civil weddings? I've never had to stop and think about the event of marriage outside of a church rite and accompaning reception.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

They definitely happen, Noodles -- I have yet to attend one but I've heard of plenty of examples via friends and relatives.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I had one. Not huge (a bit over 100 people), but we did everything the same except for that it was a provincial marriage commissioner instead of a minister/priest/rabbi that performed the ceremony.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Fritz: In Ontario, gay common-law couples ARE afforded the same rights as straight common-law couples.

cybele (cybele), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ten years pass...

Ottawa: What is there to do there other than go to the national gallery?

i.e. book/record stores? Good cheap food? Etc. etc.

Will be spending a day at carleton if that affects anything.

Fiddler on a hot tin roof (ed.b), Monday, 17 February 2014 17:07 (eleven years ago)

been many years since i've lived there... a lot of museums worth checking out, the new war museum is supposed to be pretty good too (and you can get a single ticket that works at six museums iirc)...

as far as record stores, i think vertigo records is still open on rideau? and as for food, shawarma is p much the thing to go for in ottawa, and there's a place called castle shawarma right near vertigo that is probably the best, or at least, among the best. if you aren't a meat-eater there's a kinda weird (but delicious!) place called... i think 'promise satisfaction perfection'? they do vegetarian potato dishes that are pretty excellent from my memory. if you end up doing drinks, i recommend the dominion tavern so long as it isn't too busy (i love it around happy hour bc it is pretty slow, but it gets too young/crowded later... more or less the perfect dive otherwise).

I've Seen rRootage (Will M.), Monday, 17 February 2014 17:14 (eleven years ago)

Many years since I lived there, too. One good vinyl only record store (heavy on the psych rock these days, I hear) is Birdman Sound, on Bank south of the Queensway.

Supposedly there's some good places to eat now in the Hintonburg area (more or less around Somerset and Parkdale, a bit west of downtown).

The National Gallery is very good.

If the weather's appropriate, a skate on the canal can be nice...you can even skate to or from Carleton.

pauls00, Monday, 17 February 2014 17:22 (eleven years ago)


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