i. The way we ("we" = ppl in the UK as far as I am aware) eat Indian or Chinese food in restaurants: is it secretly laughed at by the waiters and other staff, for like being the equiv of having pork chop w.custard or whatever? ii. ie you get to pick anything with anything,m just bcz you like it, then you all share and mix up anywayiii. would anyone ever do this at a posh french restaurant say? iv. is the food eaten at home in urban china anything like the chinese food sold in takeways? v. you get the drillvi. there is no moral huff-puff attached to this question, i love all food in all forms inc.takeaways and anyone can eat anything they like
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)
one of my best friend's parents were chinese, and it's true, they do laugh a little. At home there are a lot more slow cooked meals, a lot more fish, and a lot more 'interesting' dishes that wouldn't sell in the takeaway!
The one HUGE difference is that the idea of fried rice all the time is completely wierd to most chinese people.
― Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)
Like Vicky said, they never ordered fried rice, my boss once told me you should never order it as it's old leftover rice. Like that would stop me.
― Emma, Friday, 13 June 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)
i have a nice ken lo chinese cookery book, written in the 60s (and thus pre the takeaway explosion): what i mainly remember is that far more is steamed than wok-fried in the recipes described...
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)
Chicken tikka masala is a hybrid dish we all know, but according to Satinder, her mum Desifies Heinz baked beans with garam masala, chilies, chopped fried onions and a pinch of turmeric, then whacks it on a nice piece of toasted Homepride.
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)
Good point. The "weddings and other festivals" aspect also applies to Ethiopian food as served in the U.S., and probably to many other cuisines.
In the meantime, when I worked at the World Bank some of my Indian co-workers served food as they would prepare it for their families. This always was subtly different from restaurant Indian food in ways I couldn't identify...not bad, just different. Of course, there were plenty of variables, just beginning with regional differences and retail versus restaurant sources and cooking methods.
― j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)
However, the basic idea is the same, get fresh vegetables and meats and stir fry them with ginger, garlic, salt and yes, MSG. The basic technique is to get the pan very hot, add oil (he uses vegetable oil - Wesson in the USA), garlic, then ginger, add the vegetables for a few moments, add water to the pan and cover so that they steam and fry at the same time.
As for more complex dishes, there are so many regional variations that every dish you've ever eaten at any Chinese restaurant is probably "authentic" somewhere in China - although this Orange Chicken fad in the US will surely destory us all.
As for rice, you have to wash it before you put it in the Rice Cooker! OK?
Also, Fried Rice is authentic, but it's usually served the next day with leftovers from dinner. Leftover rice can sit in the cooker overnight, no problem.
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)
Makes me wonder -- the observations of Suzy and J. Lu on wedding food = what we see as the cuisine over here, but the idea of American food everywhere else IS Yer Generic Meal o' burgers/fries/etc., ie not wedding food or any 'special' event of anything at all other than a celebration of meat and potatoes and a sugary drink. Mm.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)
Finally, if you are using chop sticks, you should also be using and holding a small bowl in order to scoop the food into your mouth. The funniest thing for me is seeing people use them to eat off a plate which doesn't work very well. I use a fork when I'm in company that might be put off by my shoveling technique.
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)
vietnamese pho is pretty much how it rilly is.
i was always taught to think of most of what u.s. indian food is at least (the curries etc. on the platter) as "colonizer/emperor" food and so-called "south indian" with the spiced breads and lentils as the "authentic" stuff.
also compare homecooked vs. resteraunt "american": how often do ppl. eat top sirloin roasts with spiced potatoes at home?
no resteraunts serve hotdogs and meatloaf, but that's what the kids i grew up with liked to eat for dinner. (that's the other dif: far more "hawker food" in homes i think and in my experience things which need LESS preperation effort, tho maybe not time).
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Lara (Lara), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)
It looked more slimey and fractured than anything.
― Lara (Lara), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Saturday, 14 June 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)
the upshot is that we DO eat this food at home; but only when we have parties, picnics, family reunions, cookouts. so it's really also the happiest persian food you could eat.
i wonder if dim sum is similar?
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 14 June 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 14 June 2003 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― That Girl (thatgirl), Saturday, 14 June 2003 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 14 June 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 14 June 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)
Actually...
...I have very little to say to that. But there is a new place in Chelsea that sells nothing but european street food. Having eaten that at one point or another, I am interested.
...Also real Chinese is pretty much all vegetarian, because no one can afford to use precious, precious flatlands for cows and shit. Especially in the north.
― jm (jtm), Saturday, 14 June 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)
lol i was searching for a thread on the jia zhang-ke movie still life and this thread was the closest match
― Ward Fowler, Saturday, 17 March 2012 15:58 (thirteen years ago)
the film does feature some great scenes of people eating, drinking, smoking and is partly structured around food and drink (and cigarettes)
― Ward Fowler, Saturday, 17 March 2012 15:59 (thirteen years ago)
I love eating and drinking scenes in South East Asian film, something that is particularly pleasing to me. Will check.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 March 2012 23:23 (thirteen years ago)
jia zhangke would be east asian, not southeast asian
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 17 March 2012 23:38 (thirteen years ago)