real life versus chinese takeaway

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actually i don't quite mean that:

i. The way we ("we" = ppl in the UK as far as I am aware) eat Indian or Chinese food in restaurants: is it secretly laughed at by the waiters and other staff, for like being the equiv of having pork chop w.custard or whatever?
ii. ie you get to pick anything with anything,m just bcz you like it, then you all share and mix up anyway
iii. would anyone ever do this at a posh french restaurant say?
iv. is the food eaten at home in urban china anything like the chinese food sold in takeways?
v. you get the drill
vi. there is no moral huff-puff attached to this question, i love all food in all forms inc.takeaways and anyone can eat anything they like

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(i ate at a japanese restaurant last night — late b'day present — which catered more to japanese living in london than non-japanese, i think) (they were very friendly but did not understand some of our questions, and while the food was fab i wondered a bit if it was "pork chop and custard")

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I would say that certainly Chinese food in most Chinese restaurants is nothing like what you'd get in China. In my experience, Indian food is quite similar. Having said that, even the hottest dishes here are not a patch on those in India. Alot of your standard Indian dishes in England aren't readily available in India either.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)

pinkpanther —and anyone else — do you know specifics abt what you might or might not get in the home cooking?

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Not really sure I'm afraid. I just know that in India they have 4 (i think) different sauces & from that they make all of the different dishes by adding different spices. I'm not sure about the Chinese restaurants, but I am almost positive it's not the same, I have no basis for this though!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't forget that there are lots of different varieties of chinese cuisine. it's a large country, and there are very different styles. I think that the one our takeaways and restaurants most resemble is cantonese, but it is a hotchpotch. Also, you only get the dishes that are quick and easy to cook, and that people will buy.

one of my best friend's parents were chinese, and it's true, they do laugh a little. At home there are a lot more slow cooked meals, a lot more fish, and a lot more 'interesting' dishes that wouldn't sell in the takeaway!

The one HUGE difference is that the idea of fried rice all the time is completely wierd to most chinese people.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to work in the Taiwanese Embassy (only it wasn't called that) and my bosses regularly took me out to restaurants nearby / in Chinatown, and also we would quite often have celebratory meals in the office. I don't think any of the stuff I had either in restaurants or in the office was like the standard takeaway stuff but it was mostly lovely (except icky chicken feet and intestines).

Like Vicky said, they never ordered fried rice, my boss once told me you should never order it as it's old leftover rice. Like that would stop me.

Emma, Friday, 13 June 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

actually it was asking for the rice last night which put this all in my mind — i realised i wz sort of replicating in this japanese place what i always order when i eat chinese w.the person i wz with, in her favourite lisle street place, and i trieed to ask the waitress if rice went with what i wz ordering, but she tht i was asking "does rice come with it?" and we got in such a tangle that i just ordered it anyway

i have a nice ken lo chinese cookery book, written in the 60s (and thus pre the takeaway explosion): what i mainly remember is that far more is steamed than wok-fried in the recipes described...

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

An Indian friend of mine told me that restaurant food was different, but mostly because the average Indian person eats loads of rice and dahl at home and the dishes at the restaurant were the kind of things most people only had at weddings. So when you go to one of those restaurants, with particular regard to meat dishes, you're eating wedding reception food.

Chicken tikka masala is a hybrid dish we all know, but according to Satinder, her mum Desifies Heinz baked beans with garam masala, chilies, chopped fried onions and a pinch of turmeric, then whacks it on a nice piece of toasted Homepride.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

say more ppl from other timezones plz

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

while my half of the world sleeps

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

An Indian friend of mine told me that restaurant food was different, but mostly because the average Indian person eats loads of rice and dahl at home and the dishes at the restaurant were the kind of things most people only had at weddings.

Good point. The "weddings and other festivals" aspect also applies to Ethiopian food as served in the U.S., and probably to many other cuisines.

In the meantime, when I worked at the World Bank some of my Indian co-workers served food as they would prepare it for their families. This always was subtly different from restaurant Indian food in ways I couldn't identify...not bad, just different. Of course, there were plenty of variables, just beginning with regional differences and retail versus restaurant sources and cooking methods.

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

sleep? bah its only 1:15 am

stevem (blueski), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, my Chinese father is a terrific cook and his dishes are similar to those in restaurants, but actually slightly simpler. He never adds cornstarch to make the heavier sauces that you find in restaurants. He does eat a lot more fish (that's whole fish) and he always asks as soon as he sits down: "Oh, does anyone else want the eyes? ... ... No? Ok, then I'll just eat them". He also uses a lot of ground pork and vegetables that you don't often find at the restaurants.

However, the basic idea is the same, get fresh vegetables and meats and stir fry them with ginger, garlic, salt and yes, MSG. The basic technique is to get the pan very hot, add oil (he uses vegetable oil - Wesson in the USA), garlic, then ginger, add the vegetables for a few moments, add water to the pan and cover so that they steam and fry at the same time.

As for more complex dishes, there are so many regional variations that every dish you've ever eaten at any Chinese restaurant is probably "authentic" somewhere in China - although this Orange Chicken fad in the US will surely destory us all.

As for rice, you have to wash it before you put it in the Rice Cooker! OK?

Also, Fried Rice is authentic, but it's usually served the next day with leftovers from dinner. Leftover rice can sit in the cooker overnight, no problem.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Spencer dropping' science. Or something.

Makes me wonder -- the observations of Suzy and J. Lu on wedding food = what we see as the cuisine over here, but the idea of American food everywhere else IS Yer Generic Meal o' burgers/fries/etc., ie not wedding food or any 'special' event of anything at all other than a celebration of meat and potatoes and a sugary drink. Mm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, there are certain set dishes with recipes, but Chinese food is often simply about stir-frying what's available and seeing what happens.

Finally, if you are using chop sticks, you should also be using and holding a small bowl in order to scoop the food into your mouth. The funniest thing for me is seeing people use them to eat off a plate which doesn't work very well. I use a fork when I'm in company that might be put off by my shoveling technique.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

So Spencer, you're saying we should have a FAP at your parents' place someday. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

the 'less meat more rice/starch' think is totally true. also many weirder parts. the prototypical chinese dish for me is pork blood congee (rice stew).

vietnamese pho is pretty much how it rilly is.

i was always taught to think of most of what u.s. indian food is at least (the curries etc. on the platter) as "colonizer/emperor" food and so-called "south indian" with the spiced breads and lentils as the "authentic" stuff.

also compare homecooked vs. resteraunt "american": how often do ppl. eat top sirloin roasts with spiced potatoes at home?

no resteraunts serve hotdogs and meatloaf, but that's what the kids i grew up with liked to eat for dinner. (that's the other dif: far more "hawker food" in homes i think and in my experience things which need LESS preperation effort, tho maybe not time).

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

coolest hawker food i've ever eaten: fried grasshoppers from a street stall in thailand.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't beat Ducks Head soup in Saigon!

Lara (Lara), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

How were those anyway? I figure they'd be crisp and crunchy in the fried/baked pea pod sense...yes, no?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I left mine untouched. It's rude to eat all that you have been served, anyhow, as your host may think that they have not given you enough food if you polish everything off.

It looked more slimey and fractured than anything.

Lara (Lara), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

When I was dating my Chinese ex, he invited me to dinner at a friends house; the other people there were all Asian. So one guy says to me as I was serving myself some rice, "do you want some butter with that?" And ha ha ha they all had a laugh.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 14 June 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i can speak for iranians, i think. persian resturants in the usa - from lowest grade to fanciest possible - basically serve the equivalent of burger and fries. which is kebab and fancy rice. proletarian street food.

the upshot is that we DO eat this food at home; but only when we have parties, picnics, family reunions, cookouts. so it's really also the happiest persian food you could eat.

i wonder if dim sum is similar?

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 14 June 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

this also refers back to sterling's point: americans (my family included) eat roast and potatoes 100% of the time round thanksgiving, easter, christmas, etc.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 14 June 2003 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

At home, Mexicans never really eat enchiladas or burritos and only do tacos in the most pure sense of the word - stuff in a tortilla.

That Girl (thatgirl), Saturday, 14 June 2003 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Some thoughts of interest? Or not or...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 14 June 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)


When I was dating my Chinese ex, he invited me to dinner at a friends house; the other people there were all Asian. So one guy says to me as I was serving myself some rice, "do you want some butter with that?" And ha ha ha they all had a laugh.

I remember the first time in Japan, the old mother (of the woman I stayed with) used to say to her friends: "She's so good with her o-hashi (chopsticks). blablabla" EVERY SINGLE TIME with me propped on a chair like a monkey. I was very tempted to say: Well, yes, but you see, WE westerns have MOVED ON to knives and forks.

nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 14 June 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

no resteraunts serve hotdogs and meatloaf

Actually...


...I have very little to say to that. But there is a new place in Chelsea that sells nothing but european street food. Having eaten that at one point or another, I am interested.

...Also real Chinese is pretty much all vegetarian, because no one can afford to use precious, precious flatlands for cows and shit. Especially in the north.

jm (jtm), Saturday, 14 June 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

eight years pass...

lol i was searching for a thread on the jia zhang-ke movie still life and this thread was the closest match

Ward Fowler, Saturday, 17 March 2012 15:58 (thirteen years ago)

the film does feature some great scenes of people eating, drinking, smoking and is partly structured around food and drink (and cigarettes)

Ward Fowler, Saturday, 17 March 2012 15:59 (thirteen years ago)

I love eating and drinking scenes in South East Asian film, something that is particularly pleasing to me. Will check.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 March 2012 23:23 (thirteen years ago)

jia zhangke would be east asian, not southeast asian

flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 17 March 2012 23:38 (thirteen years ago)


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