What's the worst book you've ever read (all the way to the end)?

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Just so we all know what to avoid/seek out depending on our level of respect for your opinion...

Archel (Archel), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Obvious but true answer: Mein Kampf

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Worst that I read for non academic reasons: whatever the TENTH (!!!) book in that big David Eddings series is called. (Sorceress of something, maybe? Even at 15 I knew how dire it was but I boredly and doggedly persisted.)

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:48 (twenty-two years ago)

NO LOGO

joan vich (joan vich), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Joe S. Harrington's Sonic Cool: The Life & Death of Rock 'n' Roll.

Don't get me started.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

For me it was Bookends by Jane Green. I was only induced to read this slab of sewage at the bottom of the chicklit ocean because someone told me it was about setting up a bookshop/cafe and that's, you know, nice.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

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Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

James Fennimore Cooper's 'Home as Found'. I had to read it for an American History unit at uni at the end of the 70s. The same bloke wrote 'The Last of the Mohicans' which is by all accounts a classic but HAF is the biggest load of crap I've ever read, all 300-odd pages of it. The characterisation and dialogue were just atrocious, the plot was trivial where it existed at all. It was like the absolute worst of every superficial critic's favorite Dickens and Austin caricatures, thrown in together with Jeffrey Archer plot devices. My mind still glazes over at the recollection of it.

Fred Nerk, Friday, 13 June 2003 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Rancid Aluminium. Only read it all the way through cos it was bought for me as a going-away pressie by someone who'd read it and insisted it was grebt.

robster (robster), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I was going to mention Eddings here.

Though actually I read a book about ten years ago which i think was vanity published by a local author who had given a copy to the local library. The plot involved a really hard criminal escaping from rpison and somehow hiding out in a cave in Cornwall which led to a Lost World type cavern of dinosaurs. It was laughably poor, and even kids - who might have got off on the hackneyed second hand sense of wonder, would have been annoyed by the constant profanities and lack of intelligent dialogue spurted from the mouth of this hardened criminal.

The love interest was a brilliant and beautiful scientist by the way who I imagined looked a bit like Gabrielle Drake. I only read it all cos I was stuck in a train outside Croyden.

The Fungus is one of the most inept and yet imaginative and disgusting books I have ever read. Recomended for chapter 4 where a woman is eaten by here own thrush, and Chapter 5 when a man blows up due to too much yeast in his beer. The climax at the top of the giant mushroom on top of the Post Off ice Tower is more ridiculous than you can imagine. But terrifically enjoyable for all its faults.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooh I just thought of a nearly worst one. I can't remember the title, but it was about cocaine-snorting twats in Brighton and had an endorsement from Julie Burchill on the cover. The kind of thing that makes you want to give up your job and write novels because you would be SO much better at it.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Bridget Jones's Diary

Need I say more?

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

For school:
The Nigger of the Narcissus by Joseph Conrad
Not for school:
Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe
The latter is funny because in early high school, it was like the bible, an excuse to do really stupid shit and try illegal drugs. Then I reread it a year or so ago and was amazed at how completely horrible it is.

NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

There was this children's book I read when I was about 11 that started off excellently but very quickly degenerated into dull bollocks - at the outset it looked like it was going to be an enjoyably silly, light-hearted fantasy, about these kids who were planning to dig an immense maze of secret tunnels under their local park. After reading the first couple of pages in the library, I checked it out and excitedly took it home to continue reading.

Imagine my disappointment, then, when by the end of the first chapter they'd been unable to dig a tunnel due to being just kids and without any digging equipment but had managed to dig up some ancient roman pottery. The rest of the book appeared to be about the pottery (to be honest I didn't actually read it all the way through - it might have got good again after that, but I doubt it).

I was really, really annoyed at that - the back cover blurb made out that it was going to be all about these kids running through these secret tunnels and having underground battles with their enemies and that. But the author felt that reality had to intrude and he/she ruined a really funny and great idea. Bah.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rotters' Club by Jonathan Coe.

Sam (chirombo), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

If play scripts read as a book count, then "A View From The Bridge" by Henry Miller. Never before has any piece of "art" made me feel as much hatred towards the creator.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

American Psycho. No contest.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Noise by Russell Smith it's not absolutely awful, but I've abandoned better books.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

That should be *Arthur Miller upthread, of course.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Mind you, Henry Miller sucks ass too.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Kalle Lasn' Culture Jam is woefully preachy, though it does have a few good (impractical) ideas.

I note that the hardcover has the subtitle "The uncooling of America", which is pretty clunky, but advances in clunk technology allows the paperback to be titled "Culture Jam: How to Reverse America's Suicidal Consumer Binge - and Why We Must"

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

is A View From The Bridge the one with chair-lifting? why hate it? I just remember saying "eh" to it, really.

I expect the worst book I've ever read all the way to the end is that same David Eddings ("The Seeress Of Kell" oh why do i remember this) but I think at the time I liked it. ahem. all those years months ago.

My english teacher (who honestly loved Eddings) recommended it.

I thought Martin Amis's 'Money' was really more repulsive than anything else I've read, although obv. "better written" than Eddings &c...

thom west (thom w), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like 'The Nigger Of The Narcissus' and 'American Psycho'. and didn't think 'The Rotter's Club' was completely worthless.

I used to write a lot of book reviews, so ploughed through loads of three-volume fantasy quest epics in the grand tradition of Tolkien, and loads of those were really terrible, but thankfully I have managed to forget any specific appalling examples. I have kept a copy of Janet Morris's The Golden Sword for the occasional pleasure of reading out the opening sentences of chapter 1 to amazed listeners.

In terms of books I didn't have any duty to read, I'm tempted to cite Salman Rushdie's 'The Ground Beneath Her Feet'. I wouldn't normally finish anything do dreadful and annoying, but the best of his previous work built him enough credit that I persevered, and there was a kind of car-crash-style fascination in what unspeakable nonsense about music would come next.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Cujo

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Digger, by Joseph Flynn

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The Revenge for Love, by Wyndham Lewis. A more smug, incomprehensible, sneering style of writing could be hard to find, and his hatred for every single character he writes makes it even more tedious. I finished it only because, goddamnit, I was not going to let that ugly little screed beat me.

cis (cis), Friday, 13 June 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't have an answer. Must have been so bad I've forgotten it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 June 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Jonathan Livingston Seagull. I feel sad admitting I've even read it.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 13 June 2003 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Ever? I don't know. In the last five years, I'd say The Hotel New Hampshire by John Irving. I thought it was manipulative (the gang rape, the mother's death, etc.) and had a more-or-less souped-up sitcom style (boy, we're zany!). And don't get me started about the incest thing. I think Irving probably works better on the screen (I liked the film for Garp; haven't seen any other adaptations).

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 13 June 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

A few years ago I read this children's book called Forever-X, as in forever christmas meaning christmas day was every day. Sounds fantastic but it was awful. Nice idea but it didn't read very well on paper. Awful awful.

ThErEdNeD (ThErEdNeD), Friday, 13 June 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Martin Amis's 'Money' was really more repulsive than anything else I've read

That was my experience also. Although there was the time I found a copy of The Turner Diaries (notorious novel in which racists succeed in establishing a whites-only theocracy in North America), and considered buying it to add to my collection of utopian and dystopian books.

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 13 June 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

A few years ago I read this children's book called Forever-X, as in forever christmas meaning christmas day was every day. Sounds fantastic but it was awful. Nice idea but it didn't read very well on paper. Awful awful

But the Adventures of Pete and Pete did a pretty good episode like this.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The Boxcar Children. I had so many violent fantasies about the kids getting crushed beneath that fucking boxcar. Along with their grandfather. And their little pink cup too. That goddamn pink cup. "This will be my pink cup!" OH SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS BENNY

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 14 June 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Lady Chatterley's Lover. I cannot STAND DH Lawrence. Also, The Unbearable Lightness of Being. Barf!!! Mind you, I have certainly read a good deal of terrible popular fiction, but it's hard for a disposable pop novel to inspire the degree of revulsion I feel for these two books.

daria g (daria g), Saturday, 14 June 2003 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Alb3rt W3ndt's Bl4ck R4inbow. I almost cried for the wasted opportunity.

(re: The Rotter's Club, I remember being quite taken aback with all this stuff about the UK I had absolutely no idea about whatsoever, I mean UNIONS & all this STUFF & that - Thatcher having the same effect on the UK as, say, Rogernomics/Ruthanasia did on NZ re : cutting off historical etc? dunno. & the book itself I cannot recall.)

Ess Kay (esskay), Saturday, 14 June 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The Unbearable Lightness of Being. Barf!!!

Reads better as The Unbearable Lightness of Barf.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 14 June 2003 05:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Shampoo Planet" by Douglas Coupland.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 14 June 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"Ambition" by Julie Burchill. In my defense I will say I was at the beach and this was the only book available. Why does this woman have a career as a writer?

H (Heruy), Saturday, 14 June 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

'The Return of the Native' by Thomas Hardy. For A level.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Saturday, 14 June 2003 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

'Ambition' was brought to me by a dear mutual friend of mine and Andrew L's when I was hospitalised suddely in London many years ago. Obviously the intent was to bring me something light and entertaining, but it struck me as terrible. The ward library (like 30 books) bizarrely included Last Exit To Brooklyn, and I'd not read Selby before, so some good came of it all anyway.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 14 June 2003 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

DH Lawrence -- Sons and Lovers.
James Joyce -- Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.
Will Self -- How the Dead Live
E M Forster -- A Passage to India
Stephen Fry -- The Star's Tennis Balls

I'm tempted to put Michael Moore 'Stupid White Men' on the list but that's more just one that totally failed to live up to my expectations (all the reviews I'd read said it was *funny*).
I cant stand Douglas Coupland or Julie Burchill either, but I havent ever finished anything they've written. I seem to remember throwing down Generation X in a rage.

Cathy, Saturday, 14 June 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

the true story of fraggle rock. really didn't expose the whole gay porn issue.

faggotry (faggotry), Saturday, 14 June 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius. Ugh. Hey, could you dumb that down a little--oh, and add some smarm, please. Thanks. I'll go gouge out my eyes now.

adam (adam), Saturday, 14 June 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

This is why I stopped after two pages of that one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 14 June 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Stephen King's "Thinner". Wicked retahded.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 14 June 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

The Sexual Life of Catherine M by Catherine Millett. I read all the way to the end only to see how many times she would repeat phrases like "I am petite, and I can be thrown around like a doll" and "I like blow jobs."

The answers are 3 and 42, respectively.

jennpb (jennpb), Saturday, 14 June 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

gotta be the fountainhead / atlas shrugged.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 15 June 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

aaargh, ayn rand

H (Heruy), Sunday, 15 June 2003 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

A tie between All the Pretty Horses and The Poisonwood Bible.

Prude (Prude), Sunday, 15 June 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

James Joyce -- Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

I thought that book was fantastic. What didn't you like about it?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Hannibal by Thomas Harris. Laughably silly and fitfully boring with it.

Oh god YES. What a crap book. First half was tolerable but the rest was utter shite.

stevienixed, Thursday, 17 January 2008 05:25 (seventeen years ago)

my ex-girlfriend's dad ('uncle tom') enthused to me about hannibal during a three hour car trip and then gave me a special hardcover edition for christmas that i had to read and pretend i loved.

remy bean, Thursday, 17 January 2008 05:30 (seventeen years ago)

Can I nominate the Harry Potter series as if it was a single book, or do I have to pick one?

Forest Pines Mk2, Thursday, 17 January 2008 07:13 (seventeen years ago)

if those are the worst, you really should read more

remy bean, Thursday, 17 January 2008 07:14 (seventeen years ago)

I can't believe noone's mentioned The Da Vinci Code Alchemist. Was I the only one dumb enough to read that the whole way through?

thankfully it was short.

others would be:
Douglas Copeland - Girlfriend in a Coma
Arthur Herzog - IQ 83
Margaret Atwood - Oryx and Crake
The Bell Jar
Life of Pi

i liked mansfield park

negotiable, Thursday, 17 January 2008 07:41 (seventeen years ago)

Holiday read, i.e. nothing else left to (other book being read by g/f)

Some book about someone who's best friend was a punk, became a TV chef, was totally obnoxious,umm... I have binned the title in my mind. The only realistic bit was when the first guy's wife had a baby andnever swore once during the birth (against type),but just kept saying "gosh" and "oh my" sort of stuff.

Not good enough for "Everything's a pound" clearance.

Mark G, Thursday, 17 January 2008 08:44 (seventeen years ago)

The Bell Jar

:-((( That's like... depressing.

stevienixed, Thursday, 17 January 2008 08:49 (seventeen years ago)

High Fidelity by Beezlebub Hornby.

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 17 January 2008 08:51 (seventeen years ago)

Life of Pi seconded.
Saul Bellow seconded, but for Augie March - too slow and boring,though intresting.

there are more

Zeno, Thursday, 17 January 2008 09:00 (seventeen years ago)

Kahlil Gibran's "The Prophet". File next to "The Alchemist" and "Jonathan Livingston Seagull".

Øystein, Thursday, 17 January 2008 09:08 (seventeen years ago)

> 'Dead Famous' by Ben Elton

Popcorn was terrible, topical satire, natural born killers vs big brother. very cheap cash-in.

'Well Remembered Days: Eoin O'Cellaigh's Memoirs of a Twentieth-century Irish Catholic' by Arthur Mathews was also terrible. father ted writer, recommended by john peel. terrible.

koogs, Thursday, 17 January 2008 09:45 (seventeen years ago)

Life's waaaaay too short to be reading shitty books.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 17 January 2008 10:31 (seventeen years ago)

Lies.

Øystein, Thursday, 17 January 2008 10:34 (seventeen years ago)

I kinda like the Seagull book and the bits of Kahlil Gibran that I've read. It's the peeps that take them seriously that drag 'em down.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 17 January 2008 10:46 (seventeen years ago)

So many to chose from, mostly read at University:

** I read one of JF Cooper's Deerslayer books (Last of the Mohicans, I think) for my American Literature course at Sussex University. Turgid prose, horrible politics, awful.

** Popcorn, obviously (also read for a University course, on "The Popular Thriller"). And I'd better add LA Confidential (gibberish) and Hound of the Baskervilles (dull), from the same course.

** EVERY FUCKING NOVEL BY ALICE WALKER (except The Color Purple, which's ok), once again read for my American Lit final year thesis. (We had the choice of Walker or Hemingway for our final year thesis. I chose Walker 'cause she's marginally less dull.)

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 January 2008 12:10 (seventeen years ago)

Mayor of Casterbridge

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 January 2008 12:10 (seventeen years ago)

Either 'A Store is Born' by Jasper Carrot or 'Saturday' by Ian McEwan. I resent the latter more.

Pete W, Thursday, 17 January 2008 12:28 (seventeen years ago)

Saul Bellow seconded, but for Augie March - too slow and boring,though intresting.

wau

G00blar, Thursday, 17 January 2008 13:02 (seventeen years ago)

i.e. u mad

G00blar, Thursday, 17 January 2008 13:04 (seventeen years ago)

Popcorn is okay. Not outstanding of course, but a fun read. I mean, what standards are you guys using?

stevienixed, Thursday, 17 January 2008 13:12 (seventeen years ago)

http://assets4.pitchforkmedia.com/images/image/16839.standards.gif

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 17 January 2008 13:13 (seventeen years ago)

London Fields

Michael B, Thursday, 17 January 2008 13:21 (seventeen years ago)

I was assigned The Mayor of Casterbridge to read for GCSEs at one school, for A-Levels at another, and then once more at University for luck. I actually kind of enjoyed it the final time 'round.

Literally "dying of shame" in a nineteenth century novel = quite classic.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 January 2008 13:56 (seventeen years ago)

Hardy is mad classic you fules.

The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Thursday, 17 January 2008 14:07 (seventeen years ago)

wow. what *specifically* is bad about 'a heartbreaking work...' ?

pisces, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:01 (seventeen years ago)

It's a bag of shite?

The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:02 (seventeen years ago)

good post, very informative^^^

Mr. Que, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:04 (seventeen years ago)

I feel I engaged with the work.

The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:07 (seventeen years ago)

Nothing wrong with making things up per se - see e.g. "Florence"'s Life Of Thomas Hardy - but you have to be good and consistent at it. Unfortunately Mr Eggers' writings are credibility-tickling without any compensatory rib-tickling component.

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)

The first thing that comes to mind is Asimov's Murder at the ABA, but the real answer is probably a few dozen of the Doc Savage books I used to be nuts about.

Rock Hardy, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)

JOSEPH ANDREWS henry fielding.

'A most bawdy encounter in which Mr Smythe and the tavern owner...'
oh get fucked.

pisces, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:15 (seventeen years ago)

You rep for Dave Cunting Eggers and dis Henry Fielding?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:16 (seventeen years ago)

The Crimson Petal and the White, I Was Dora Suarez, and NYC Babylon.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:17 (seventeen years ago)

Philip Roth's Plot Against America. I like some of his other books quite a bit, especially Patrimony, but seriously, that was such a goddamn waste of time.

Simon H., Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:21 (seventeen years ago)

I quite liked You Shall Know Our Velocity. Never read Heartbreaking Work though.
I don't know what my answer to this would be. Something by Julian Barnes or Ian McEwan maybe.

DavidM, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:28 (seventeen years ago)

I found the extended intro with all the footnotes and stuff in Heartbreaking Work pretty funny, but the rest was wank.

chap, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:29 (seventeen years ago)

no no ive never read eggers i were just asking what the problem with it was as ive read nothing but waffle about how good it is.

pisces, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:41 (seventeen years ago)

i've never read anything decent about why people don't like it except LOL ITS BLOODY SHITE, ETC

Mr. Que, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:43 (seventeen years ago)

For a start he should leave the internal self-dialogue stuff to Hemingway.

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:52 (seventeen years ago)

It's a book for people who don't like books!

The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:57 (seventeen years ago)

OMG Joseph Andrews is my favorite novel that isn't sci-fi or by Daniel Pinkwater. I mean it is way fucking good and funny. IMO

Abbott, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:57 (seventeen years ago)

^^^ Correct

The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:58 (seventeen years ago)

i don't finish bad books

n/a, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:15 (seventeen years ago)

I have to finish a book, no matter how bad it is. I just have this sick curiosity as to how it is going to turn out that I can't ignore even if the book is going to bore and/or annoy me.

Nicole, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:26 (seventeen years ago)

seven years pass...

i have not, nor do i ever hope to surpass Digger by Joseph Flynn

mookieproof, Monday, 2 November 2015 06:45 (nine years ago)

I've learned not to read bad books to the end, but it's hard not to when it was enthusiastically pressed upon you by a friend, or even worse, given as a gift with a similarly enthusiastic endorsement.

Thinking back to the era when this happened to me more often, I recall having finished Bridges of Madison County and Love Story. They were plenty bad. I have probably blocked all memory of the actual worst book from my mind.

Aimless, Monday, 2 November 2015 17:15 (nine years ago)

when i was about 15 my sister had some book written by the actor ethan hawke, about a guy who has a steamy affair with some artist he meets and then it ends. it was terrible. i can't be sure the main character was an actor called like elton hank, it may have been marginally less glaring than that, but not much.

it had a lot of discussion of how hot it is in texas which i suppose was meant to resonate with all the sex.

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:17 (nine years ago)

I limped through DeLillo's Underworld.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:22 (nine years ago)

Thought you were gonna go with Ada.

Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:35 (nine years ago)

college g/f made me read "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" so, that

most terrible books I will put down before I get to the end cuz c'mon why bother

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 17:38 (nine years ago)


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