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Yeah, that Dioxin will kill ya for sure (CNN)

Have some feces, vomit and metal shards (CNN)

<"http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2000-11-30/newsspread.html">Hormones are hazardous to your health (if you have an 8 year old with tits and a menstrual cycle, at least now you'll know why)

if yer too closed-minded to bother clicking a link, here's a quick c + p of some highlights:

ESTRADIOL-17 -- The most active of the female hormones, secreted mainly by the ovaries. A "complete carcinogen" associated with increased risk of breast and prostate cancer.

PROGESTERONE A natural-steroid sex hormone linked to implantation of the egg in the uterus and the growth of the embryo and fetus. Has been shown to increase the incidence of tumours in the mammary gland, ovary, uterus and vagina in laboratory animals.

TESTOSTERONE -- The main sex hormone secreted by males. Known to induce urinary tumours in mice and prostate tumours in rats.

ZERANOL -- A natural mycoestrogen produced by various species of fusarium moulds. Carcinogenic to the liver, and there is evidence of renal tumours in lab experiments on hamsters. Male mice exposed in utero to zeranol show testicular abnormalities.

TRENBOLONE -- A synthetic androgen having anabolic activity several-fold greater than that of testosterone. Feeding of high doses to mice produced liver hyperplasia and tumours and a small increase in tumours of the pancreas.

MELENGESTROL -- A progesteron about 30 times as active as progesterone. Pellets implanted in female mice caused slightly increased incidence of mammary tumours.

Have some Milk!(Discover Magazine)

Prostate Cancer (CNN)

And for more info on arthritis, various cancers, multiple sclerosis, hypertension, heart attack, diabetes and whatever else you can think of, just bookmark this page or, occasionally, look in a newspaper.

There's a shitload more evidence I could find for you from real newspapers/websites, but I guess I've wasted enough time.

Buy Diet For A New America by John (Baskin) Robbins and if that doesn't change your thinking, nothing will. In which case I say, "good luck to ya," but don't tell me to shut the fuck up for merely giving sound advice.

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Best Thread Ever (I only read the title)

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Why am I not shocked?

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

the vegan link and all the mentions of animal testing above are at odds with one another

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"obsessed with corruption"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

best thread ever! (I only read the title also)

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

More alliterotica, please.

Meat for Millar.
Dick for Dan.
Nookie for Ned.
Ass for Ally.
Booty for Blount.

etc.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Jenitals for Jess

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Errr.... so why is being vegan the only solution? I agree that rbgh is probably not that good of a thing to be drinking, but... you know, can just buy organic milk. And free range eggs & such.

― lyra (lyra), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

japa for John

haha Geeta to thread

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Tits for Tep!

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Daaamn right.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Sluts for... ach, never mind

― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Lyra, I was just finding links to some quick and obvious things. Organic eggs and free range eggs and such does nothing to eliminate the problem of the actual animal fat and animal protein, which is what causes cancer, hypertension, diabetes, Multiple Sclerosis, Osteoporosis, anemia (yes, anemia is almost nill in vegan-land but more common in beef-eater land), kidney stones, alzheimer's disease, etc.

It's not just about the hormones, pesticides, etc. Your fuckin' bowels were not meant to digest meat. Carnivores have bowels shaped like a plastic tube; the stuff goes right through them. Human bowels are puckered and meant to digest with a fermentation process. Meat clogs up your arsehole and saturated fat clogs your arteries. Animal protein forces calcium out of your bones. The list goes on and on...

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

C'mon give a sister a little love here...

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Lube for Luna

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a start...

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

DAMN YOU MILLAR

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

it's usually the start of something good

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, if Scaredy-Cat can adequetely explain why my wife's anemia gets worse if she avoids red meat, I'd be very interested.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Does your wife enjoy dairy products? There is more iron in a bowl of spinach than 14 oz. of sirloin steak. Maybe your wife needs a better diet overall.

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

full moon

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Cocks for Conner Smedley

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

SC, you talk like all non-vegetarians eat is huge mountains of fatty red meat and NOTHING ELSE.

Ever heard of a varied, moderate diet? A little bit of everything?

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

A little bit of everything?

even salad bar?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I have. I think most people who aren't big fat slobs live on one of these varied, moderate diets you're talking about and they have so many more illnesses because of it.

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

But the problem with spinach is that its iron (and calcium for that matter) isn't as bio-available, even if it's raw. Meaning that it's hard for the body to actually absorb such nutrients into itself.

And I'm a firm believer in form and function: we are *supposed* to eat meat because we have canines. Our nearest relative el chimpos eat meat as well. The real problem is that in Amurka we eat too much of it.

― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Leee, any vegan should have a healthy supply of fruit in his diet and that vitamin C regularly available in his diet will help him absorb iron from spinach or any of the many other raw food sources it comes in. Not to mention a diet rich in folates. Non-heme iron is found in green leafy vegetables, legumes, dried fruit, and fortified cereals and breads. These non-heme foods can be made more bioavailable if you eat them with vitamin C foods like citrus fruit, juice or tomato products (like a salad). All iron is more bioavailable when your body's stored iron is low. Foods that reduce the bioavailability of iron include phytates in cereals and bran, tannins in spinach, tea and coffee, calcium in supplements or dairy foods, and soy protein. So you can see, vegans who go hogwild on soy protein, drink their coffee and neglect real raw food are making a mistake here...

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Sleep gives you cancer man, everyone knows that.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

And of course, all the toxins we breathe in the air every day, and the chemicals the clothes we buy are dyed with/washed in, and the pesticides on FRUIT AND VEGIES and paints and petrol fumes and 2ndhand smoke and well, smoking and drinking... none of this causes everyone's illnesses, of course.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh and Leee, one of the strongest animals on earth, the Silverback Gorilla is vegetarian.

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Trayce you are being to sensible.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, ha, Trayce, you've fallen victim to the myth the meat industry would love you to believe. This is discussed in great detail in Diet For A New America.

Basically, several studies have been done which link meat to cancer and all these other diseases and that's the exact argument the meat industry uses in several court cases to say that these scientific results "don't mean anything", when in fact the findings are very obvious and clear.

There's some wisdom in the new Camper box set "Carrots and Cigarette Juice".

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

remember to refrigerate all non-cured meat! (right?)

― Aaron A., Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, interesting correlation you made there to chemicals and whatnot, since that's who basically owns the major meat packing plants. Oh yeah, and Exxon developed a chemical for something entirely different that they somehow found increases a cow's milk and calf production but didn't know why it worked. Didn't care!

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

propaganda vs propaganda: fite. or not.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The Simpsons proved that gorillas eat snake meat

― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

What about if I only eat the meat that I kill, like Ted Nugent?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1403105464.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

E.S.O.J. - propaganda is only propaganda when it's propaganda. Vegetarian "propaganda" has no agenda and the results are evident and verifiable.

It says something when a person turns down a multi-million dollar future in Baskin Robbins to expose the truth of his family business.

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Vegetarian "propaganda" has no agenda

crap.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Canines = you would have a tough fucking time eating a hunk of meat without a knife and fork. You would have a tougher time eating it raw. Try it, it's good for ya!

A great thing about being a vegan is now I don't have to worry about how clean my cutting board is, because only meat is fucking disgusting like that.

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

ESOJ, what's the agenda, to put people out of work?

Maybe you're thinking to stop chemical dumping associated with meat? No, that's the government's agenda.

Maybe the agenda is to help people lead healthier, happier lives? Well, yes, they should be shot for that.

Maybe they are just animal lovers? Shoot them twice for that.

― Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

if they're no more likely to publicise any research that doesn't support the point of view they're pushing as big meat or big tobacco or whoever, then it's propaganda, regardless of how altruistic or ethically unassailable their intentions are

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"You'd have a tough time eating it raw" = you shouldn't eat it? What?

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

what's the point i'm making? you provided links to some information sources. fine, good. knowledge is power and being informed is absolutely key. however your parroting of paraphrased sections of research isn't going to convince anyone that your personal choices are the "correct" ones.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"Lyra, I was just finding links to some quick and obvious things. Organic eggs and free range eggs and such does nothing to eliminate the problem of the actual animal fat and animal protein, which is what causes cancer, hypertension, diabetes, Multiple Sclerosis, Osteoporosis, anemia (yes, anemia is almost nill in vegan-land but more common in beef-eater land), kidney stones, alzheimer's disease, etc."

you need to replace 'is what causes' with 'are factors that can contribute to cause'

The human body is pretty well adapted to eating meat its a question of balance. One of the functions of fibre/roughage is to clear out residual meat. You miht as well say we shouldn't eat greens because we don't have multiple stomaches. A good deal of the fat in meat is unsaturated and remember the best way to deal with saturated fat is to get some exercise. If you want to change the world try and pursuade it to walk to work rather than to not eat hamburgers.

" Canines = you would have a tough fucking time eating a hunk of meat without a knife and fork. You would have a tougher time eating it raw. Try it, it's good for ya!"

You do have to agree though that we are not built like other herbivores and especially not like the ruminants. Humans are omnivorous.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 June 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

damn missign quote marks around the 3rd paragraph there.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 June 2003 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

trim for trife!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 19 June 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a vegetarian and I still don't see the point of this thread.

― hstencil, Thursday, 19 June 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Skipping 204 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

You merely said, "This is so patently false that I advise you to shut up immediately," which could easily be read as a warning about what might follow if I continue to espouse such patently false rhetoric. I had read it before as more of a demand from you personally to shut up.

I'd have read it as well-intentioned warning that you'd end up looking ridiculous. Which you have.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 20 June 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sick of being vilified for trying to make a genuine argument, then being casually dissed by people who can't be arsed to argue back.

Well that's a shame, because I can't be arsed to argue back. You said "J0hn belittles people on this subject all the time", which I'm sure is based on what you've read, and I'm saying "no, he doesn't. He's one of the lesser-seen non-preachy vegetarians." based on what I've read.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 20 June 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Type 1 is thought to be triggered by dairy

the cause of type 1 diabetes is not known. there are several theories and numerous studies in the area. a complex immune reaction to dairy is one theory, other foods such as wheat and soy are also implicated in this theory. there is no conclusive proof for what you are saying. here are some references which will give you information on suggested causes. please read them with an open mind and don't just assume that the one you want to be right is right.
causal theories listed at end
an overview of the different types of diabetes with mention of possible causes

― angela (angela), Friday, 20 June 2003 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew you're very kind to describe me as "non-preachy" but I don't think I can wear that hat with a clean conscience, I've been known to get super-preachy about the whole meat issue esp. considering that my objections are completely ethics(i.e., the polite word for "morals")-related: if it turned out that eating meat would prolong my life by twenty years & give me a shiny white teeth to boot, I still wouldn't eat it, because I think it's wrong to kill & eat sentient beings when there's plenty of other food around. I try not to bug other people about it too much, because there's no real point in doing so, and when the subject comes up I try (usually fail) to keep the focus on how vast a variety of delicious foods I've ended up eating as a result of having to think more about what I eat - one starts cooking from scratch nightly or near-nightly, one gets hella creative: any carnivore who eats at my house leaves more satisfied & impressed than he would have if he'd've had dinner at Chalie Trotter's.* But yeah, I do get preachy sometimes, because my vegetarianism is a quasi-religious belief, and it's in the nature of religions to preach.

*a famed meat palace in Chicago

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 20 June 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread makes me want to renounce vegetarianism, skip past being a carnivore, and go straight to cannibalism so I can kill you all and eat your plump, juicy kidneys.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 20 June 2003 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not being kind: my point is that I've seen a different set of posts from Mark C, but I wouldn't say "J0hn is never ever preachy", just "I've never seen J0hn preach".

(could some moderator move the quote mark in my previous post to the end of the line so that I can win this? Thanks)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 20 June 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Angela, I am not coming to any conclusions. Your noticing my error has helped me so that I dont make the same mistake again and I am quite thankful to be more well-informed than before. I have my suspicions that it might be related to dairy, but then again, it could be related to several things and I can honestly say I am really not leaning in any direction at this point. In any case, I appreciate the info. Thanks for being civil about it, too. I appreciate that more than anything.

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I just scan this thread and boggle. I can't do anything else.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I scan this thread and yahtzee.

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I scan this thread and BINGO

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh that was just beautiful, Dan. Tears are in my eyes. (This could be because of pollen.)

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I love you both. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh heh heh. You love them. And you eat meat. Heh heh heh heh. (Is it working?)

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't eat THEIR meat, who knows where it's been?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been slow roasting it at just under 100 degrees F for decades, right here on my person. For you!

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Has it kept the juiciness well?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm giving the hats thread a run for its money on many levels.

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

You mean "on many threads".

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

that too, even better.

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I have my suspicions that it might be related to dairy, but then again, it could be related to several things

EH? EEHHHH? EHHHHEEEHEHEHHEH???? *strains eyes*
...

*is flabbergasted*

― Millar (Millar), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Hey S. Cat:
This weekend I ate four pork chops from the grill, and then two sirloins, plus a few bites of Helltime's extra-rare T-bone, and then I had a spicy chicken sandwich from Wendy's. Then I covered my girlfriend in Jack Daniel's BBQ sauce and we made sweet love in the midday sun. After that we went for cheeseburgers with bacon at an Irish pub. How ya like them apples. Bitch.

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 10 August 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm...somebody around here said they were covered in BBQ sauce yesterday...

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 10 August 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey oops! You shd be helping us fight terrorists with that piercing intellect, not spooging around on internet mentalist messageboards! I am sweating in admiration.

No, for real.

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 10 August 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Right, cause every post I make is just my way to exhibit my MASSIVE INTELLECT. There's a bag of dicks here with your name on it, cowboy.

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 10 August 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

but mark s says that "a bag o' dicks" is a reward?!?

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 10 August 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is so high school. Anyway, does anyone have tips on getting BBQ smell out of mattresses? THX

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 10 August 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

And can you please give me some tips on getting vomit out of a keyboard?

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 10 August 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

New keyboard, babe.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 10 August 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

But I need that vomit!

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 10 August 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops, I speak from experience. Unless you like your keyboard offering random periods or inadvertent carriage returns or piglatin haxor to every document you type, I'd go w/ the lady's advice and get a new keyboard.

If you need the vomit, just get yourself a glass, tip the keyboard towards the glass, and watch the magic roll downhill. (Yum.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 10 August 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

What would someone actually need vomit for? You can produce more.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 10 August 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Might've been special once in a lifetime vomit.

― Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 10 August 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Just remember that you can't dust for it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 August 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not that gross, people.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 11 August 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe the vomit has tiny diamonds in it.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 11 August 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

it's like a metaphor for my life

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 11 August 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Diamonds on the inside?

Hahaha.... oh, I kill me. Or someone else can, its for the best.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 11 August 2003 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Diamonds on the soles of my shoes? Uh, no , it's just puke.

― nickn (nickn), Monday, 11 August 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

weekends are the diamonds in my puke-soaked life

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 11 August 2003 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

my weekends are cubic zirconia

― oops (Oops), Monday, 11 August 2003 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

actually my life is more of a dry-heave

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 11 August 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Might've been special once in a lifetime vomit.
-- Bryan (bryan...), August 10th, 2003 6:45 PM. (later)

"And you may ask yourself - how did this vomit get here?"

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 11 August 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

yesterday I grilled some flank steak and a rack of pork ribs. I also drank 40's.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 11 August 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I had vegetarian link sausage on Saturday, as well as spicy chik patties (fake chicken) on Friday and Sunday. Does that make me more of a man?

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 11 August 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

only if you washed it down with a cold one.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 11 August 2003 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

(cold duck that is)

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 11 August 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Last night I made a fucking awesome dinner = brown rice, tofu, garlic, onions, spinach, and a little bit of leftover pesto. Boo-yah! It would've been vegan, 'cept there was parmesan cheese in the pesto.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 11 August 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I had roast beef and bacon. It would've been vegan if scientists had gotten off their lazy atom-bomb-making asses and built a damn cow-and-pig bush.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Let me mention the fondue from the other night again, with filet mignon, marinated chicken, lobster tail, ahi, scallops...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Ned....im starving.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 11 August 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

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