Proposal for New Cold War

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Supposing Europe declared itself a superpower and told America to fuck off? Would it solve the balance-of-power thing? Would there be any support? Would Britain support Germany instead of the US? And would that increase the amount of steroids and hormones used by British athletes for the next Olympics?

dave q, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm with Blackadder on the question of deterrence:

Edmund: But the real reason for the whole thing was that it was too much effort *not* to have a war.

George: By gum, this is interesting; I always loved history -- The Battle of Hastings, Henry VIII and his six knives, all that.

Edmund: You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war.

Baldrick: But, this is a sort of a war, isn't it, sir?

Edmund: Yes, that's right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan.

George: What was that, sir?

Edmund: It was bollocks.

Sam, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A united Europe could be considered a 'superpower' but it would take a good decade of teething problems before that would have much basis in fact. I don't think there's any reason why multiple superpowers couldn't co-exist without being on cold war footing. This is not precisely answering the question.

Tom, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Would there be any support?

It seems to me that there are too many overarching business interests concerned for this ever to be possible. You don't have to look much further than the fact that there is a massive media conglomerate, with vested interests in dissuading the British from closer ties with Europe. Because it controls the best selling tabloid, the Times (still the 'Newspaper of Record') Sky etc it would really be electoral suicide for any British Government to move towards

Allen, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, I don't think Europe will be a superpower. Far too many differences. Can you imagine the amount of time that would be spent debating whether or not to tell America to eff off? and then what language should the proposal be presented in? Wouldn't Eastern Europe and Russia get pissed off? I think China will be a (is a) superpower.

jel, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

blackadder quotes = classic

ambrose, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think China will be a (is a) superpower.

China must be secretly rather relieved at what has happened. Imagine you're China. First, US missiles destroy your embassy in Belgrade. Then a new president comes in with a defence review which turns the spotlight on you as America's number one enemy. Then the new president tears up the missile treaties which have ensured peace between the superpowers by beginning a hasty Star Wars missile defence program, thereby triggering a new arms race with you as one of the major implied threats. Then terrorists attack the WTC and -- phew! -- you're off the hook. Superpowers unite in their condemnation, and a raggle-taggle band of mountain bandits replace you as Public Enemy Number 1. This happens, conveniently, just six days before the WTO meets to decide whether you can join its trade umbrella.

Momus, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

hey momus when was the last time you played toronto?

porch monkey, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

China also keen for an excuse to squush its ever-pesky Muslim minorities out in the Western Lands.

mark s, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

haven't russia and china been very wary of each other over the afghan question for the last 3 or so years. neither wanted to take too much of a lead, because of danger re the other. how will sino-rus relations fare over future action?

gareth, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

twenty-four years pass...

The civil cold war https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2022/02/an-interview-with-carl-bernstein/

Minty Gum (Latham Green), Thursday, 9 October 2025 15:27 (four months ago)


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