MY GOD MY MUM IS A FUCKING BITCH.

I could record it, that's perfectly reasonable but it's a ritual that I've done every week for god knows how long, and she was just being a whore. I don't really care about queer as folk, I like it but that wasn't what I was mad about. Council housing in australia is a nightmare to get into and I'm probably not eligible.
I have 101 excuses.

ALLY ROXX U R ALL GOING TO DJ SAMMY TONIGHT.

DJ SAMMY ROXOR I WANNA GO!!

Momus: A delightful performance art soundclash which evokes all known senses.

I'd rather not, Nellie. I thought you were going to bed anyway! You're fucking grounded, I'm definitely not letting you use the laptop tomorrow.

The house you live in belongs to your mom, not you. It was never yours really. You need to get out in the world and make a life for yourself. Good luck.

I knew a guy with ADD who still pulled a 1200 on his SAT despite being unable to sit through the entire test. He's married with kids now.

(Sarah, the whole 20y.o. thing was my point, thanks for stating it in a non-sarcastic manner)

(Of course whenever I point out that I don't think people in their 20s should live at home--and certainly shouldn't BITCH ABOUT THEIR ACCOMODATIONS--I get yelled at round here COS YOU ARE ALL SCRUBS BOOYAH)

(etc)

who is the masturbator?

my girl never seeked out porn. watched some on channel five 'erotic thriller' and just is way too 'that looks like that's gotta hurt' 'oohh...she's faking it' 'this is disgusting' and the television goes off...

More like I was, at 19-20, a waiter-sometimes-bartender trying to drink myself out of being depressed, not going to school, and generally accomplishing nothing of consequence. Still not sure about the last, but the first two are solved.

But I certainly don't chalk that up to being "a kid," nor would I use that as an excuse. My fuck ups were my fuck ups (and likewise, the good things were mine, too).

Even were a college student completely leeching off the family tit, they shouldn't be given an excuse as a kid for screwing up or being immature. They should grow up.

I fear that we coddle young adults (including myself, to a degree - I've always had that parental safety net) too much, give them too many excuses. People should have some kind of responsibility - buying their first car, paying gas/insurance, doing something while in school. But maybe that just goes to my class issues more than anything.

Yeah, but that's what growing up is for. People mature at different paces for different reasons. Maybe the 20-year-old who's spoiled and immature now will get herself sorted in another year or two. It's not a contest, you know.

Not that teenagers should spit in people's faces either but you know.

I'm nervous of getting involved in such a tecthy thread, as I hardly have a long fuse myself, but I sympathise with Nellie, think she's justified in having a moan in public at something that is probably the latest in a line of what she perceives as disses. She's not a *child*, no, but she is not yet a fully mature grown-up (I'm just being honest here. How many of you over 25, say, could imagine dating a 20-year-old? It's a matter of experience, and she justifiably hasn't got all that experience yet. She still has everything to offer.

Nellie doesn't want to be coddled. She just wants to be heard.

Certainly not. But making excuses into our twenties isn't healthy for the process. I see it as "you should take responsibility to gain maturity" rather than "you should take some responsibility whenever you actually get maturity." Maturity is something you gain through effort, not something that magically appears on your birthday.

So OTM. And my parents weren't particularly restrictive or forceful, and never laid a hand on me. But cursing at my mom would have gotten me a (deserved) whacking.

What I'm saying is that sometimes you grow into it of your own accord, just through life experience and accumulated wisdom -- that's not discounting the importance of "effort," but responsibility alone does not make you an adult.

Anyway, whew, guess I needed to rant. Toodles.

Responsibility - for one's own existence, for one's choices, for one's beliefs - certainly plays the largest part in that determination.

But when you chalk stuff up to "being a kid" - how is earning "life experience and accumulated wisdom"? That's what I'm getting at. Excuses serve no purpose in maturing. Confronting your actions - acting like a spoiled brat in this case - is a good place to start.

However when I went to college I learned about the difference between swearing AT and swearing WITH my parents. Amazingly, my mom graduated to calling people ¢unts by the time I'd graduated.

I had a phase of living at home for eight months between stints in London and I think my mom got through it by going to the casino an awful lot.

I'm sharing this because I want to show that people's experiences are different and should be judged individually.

no 1. last nights thing was a rant, and I did act brattishly but I still feel my mum was inconsiderate i.e. having her own tv that I'm not allowed to watch but refusing to let me watch the tv that I am allowed to watch in the ritual I've had for at least a year. It's a petty complaint, but it's annoying.
no2. I don't expect anyone to owe me anything because I have ADD, I genuinely want to move out and will do so in a couple of weeks after I have a job and the CAPABILITIES to genuinely make this work. Yeah people do have jobs and stuff w/ ADD. but they have the diagnosis and strategy to make it work. I've had jobs before but all I ever ended up doing was frustrate the managers and the people who work around me . It's not fair on them, and I'd rather make this job long term then have to be bailed out when It all falls apart. Last night's little tanty was just as much about me feeling powerless as it was about my annoyance over my mother's actions.
no3. My sister lives at home also, she is 23. My parents have no problem with her being there. It really is just a clash of personalities. My mother and myself are very similar.
no4. I swear a lot, and I love using the word cunt. so I what I said was no more offensive than if I called her a dickhead,.. and I didn't swear at her during the argument I swore at her recounting the story later.
*exhales* I think that's it. Oh, Ally.. I apologize, I was in a shitty mood and I would genuinely like to hear any tips you have for entering the real world with some sort of disorder, whatever it may be.

Is cunt all that much more offensive than dickhead? Like next-level offensive?

I think my favorite bad word moment was when my brother called me a son of a bitch.

(sorry, we now returm you to your regular non-withnail-geek thread)

my friends brother has some kind of disorder, which has led to him going down the wrong track, in prison, losing sons etc, suicide attempt in jail cell aged 20, all that stuff that everyone knows at least one person on that track, which culminated in a knife attack in which he has been slashed from eye to mouth.

and of course the world that he moves in causes problems for my friend, people turning up in the middle of the night looking for him, demanding money all that stuff. and she has to be harsh, she has to turn him away sometimes, which is tough when hes in a hospital bed and everything. but, its a hereditary degenerative disease which they only just found out the dad had a couple months ago, and explained him living on the streets for the last 25 years, and his own alcoholism.

of course, she cant tell the brother this because hes not in a fit state to process it, so she has to make allowances, while at the same time knowing that it could hit her at any moment, and she may go insane herself. its difficult, because until what point does the illness justify the behaviour, and if shes too judgemental about it, she may end up following similar paths herself once it hits.

as for the above post, whether its a spoilt brat or a serious illness maybe isnt the point. it could be either, perhaps both, each individual case is very difficult to judge from afar, and i think its good that people gave it the time of day, and made the effort to respond.

mental illness is not a badge, and shouldnt be glorified.

You can't do that, this thread is *owned* by a withnail geek.

Tourette's Syndrome as well? Your house must be so much fun...

Nellie, I kiss you!

i didnt know if there was anything wrong with it for a long time andrew, and then i got into a screaming match with my dad over coffee cups and then i thought, fuck this, "if i'm going to get into an argument with someone over coffee cups, i might as well be fucking them."

I never would have taken this guy for a coffee cup fucker.

I'll be honest. I find that somewhat disturbing, but I am nobody to judge. I never had thoughts about sexual intercourse with any of my parents.

Having said that, that reminded me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOxHc4Ix7c