Mac Users, are you all on OS X by now?

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Heh, heh, I just decided to give it another shot today and didn't have "privaledges" to fuckin' trash any files. That's a new one. Still feels goopily slow, too. God, I hate that fuckin' thing.

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not on it yet but that's only because they haven't released the new 15.4" PBooks yet

― Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been using OS X on everything since Day One and absolutely, positively love it.

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I have faith that Panther will fix everything I hate about Jaguar (font utility included). Does anyone have any clue when it's coming out?

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

End of year. Probable rollout at Macworld San Francisco.

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Unless you have horrible hardware or software legacy issues, and I'm guessing you have the former Scaredy, there is absolutely NO reason to use the horrible dated OS that 9 had become.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 3 July 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, I just realized the last time I wiped my computer completely, after following a "partitioning is good for different systems" rumor that turned out to be a nightmare, I reinstalled the original system software, but failed to install Jaguar (no doubt because it takes forever to install).

No wonder it sucks worse than last time-- I've only got 10.0.4 now. I will now upgrade to Jaguar and then to 10.2.6. The furthest I had upgraded in the past was 10.2.3, so hopefully 10.2.6 will be faster.

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Thursday, 3 July 2003 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Unless you have horrible hardware or software legacy issues, and I'm guessing you have the former Scaredy, there is absolutely NO reason to use the horrible dated OS that 9 had become.

Not true. I have a G4 Quicksilver with all new software (Adobe and Macromedia studio packs). OS9 is much snappier when you drag a window in the interface, works with all older typefaces and is easier to look at (legibility). The only thing "outdated" about it from my perspective is an occasional crash, but I'm not trying to set up a network or a web server, either. FWIW, I still have not worked in a studio or with another designer that is using OSX on any project ever (and the past year and a half I was temping and freelancing).

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Thursday, 3 July 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I have an old G3 laptop and ph34r that if I try to update the OS8 which it came with all will be lost.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 3 July 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

(( While we're sort of on topic about old vs. new, I'd like to also point out that Photoshop 6 and Illustrator 8 are now the best in their respective series. I'll gladly do without the awesome new things if the program sucks in every other respect. ))

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Thursday, 3 July 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling, I think OS 8.6 and OS 9.2.2 are the most stable pre-X systems. If you're having crashing problems, you should be able to upgrade to OS 9.2.2 without losing a damn thing. Personally, I only crash about once a week on unstable web apps like Internet Explorer or Limewire. Never on a real program and never when I'm doing anything important. Prior to my G4, I was using a powermac 7200 also on OS 9.2.2 and had the same experience. OS 9 just isn't the "crashing monster" for me that other people make it out to be.

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Thursday, 3 July 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, but that's what i mean by legacy issues - you need to use it for your typefaces (It was the latter, rather than former though).

I would swap all the snappiness in the world for stability however.

I absolutely despise using the OS 8+9 machines at work, and they were one of the reasons I began to hate using Macs in general. Quark, Photoshop and even the bloody finder constantly astound me with their penchant for crashing at almost every conceivable worst moment. To contrast, my girlfriends (pretty underpowered by modern standards) laptop is a joy to use, just fast enough to give good response, and I have never seen a full system crash on 10.2.5.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 3 July 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah yes! If it wasn't for the damn typefaces issue, I would've stayed with Jaguar when I had it installed properly, even though there were things I really didn't like about it. In fact, if there were no problem with fonts, I would've actually only stayed with OSX to be up-to-date, Safari and not crashing in Limewire. Everything else about Jaguar, I wasn't too keen on.

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Thursday, 3 July 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I am currently posting on an ancient G3 running 8.6.

― Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 3 July 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but my Mac is pissing me off.

At random times - usually when I've got iTunes or AIM and another program going - all my USB stuff quits working. The monitor does fine and the computer is still running normally, but my speakers, mouse, keyboard, scanner and printer die.

And I'm not willing to pony up their bullshit $50 fee to find out why the computer they built isn't working. They tried to get me to pay when the original hard drive slipped a bearing.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 3 July 2003 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Douglas your post made me cry.

We're on the moveable-screen robot iMac runnin' OS 10.2.somethin'-or-other. OS 10 has some annoying cosmetic features - it feels kinda willfully "extreme!" in a way I don't like - but the operating system on the whole is superior to older Macs, like way way.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 3 July 2003 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

here's a question: what are the minimum hardware requirements for running OSX? My mother has a g3 that is several years old (beige box, maybe 5 years? dunno) and now she wants to get back on the internet with it but all the normal ISPs installers are for OSX and I don't think she can even install it.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 3 July 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

by hardware requirements, I mean: RAM and harddrive size.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 3 July 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Round Mice Suck! *runs away*

― Stuart (Stuart), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I the only one who hates the way OS X looks? It looks like they got some Fisher Price art director to design the thing.

I love my 9.2.2, especially since most of my music software runs beautifully on it and switching to X would mean losing about half of my current tools. But I guess within the year I'll have to upgrade from my Pismo Powerbook to something more "modern".

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I should put distributed.net or something on my G4. All it does is sit. All I use it for is http://www.apple.com/trailers/

I don't particularly like the way OS X looks. I don't think it's particularly worse than any other MacOS, except it comes with more shit to gloop up and slow down the interface.

― Stuart (Stuart), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I run 9.0.4 and haven't upgraded due to a combination of laziness and legacy issues (mostly I'm doing a lot of programming in MCL these days). I tolerate the occasional crash but don't have big problems with system stability. Also I have a real dinosaur machine in my office at work, so I'd have to go back and forth between different OS's if I switched at home.

Digitool is supposed to have an OSX verison of MCL out real soon, and the next time I upgrade my hardware I'll make the switch to OSX. I find the look of it distracting, but it will probably become invisible to me once I start using it regularly.

― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

what are the minimum hardware requirements for running OSX?

My rule of thumb is that if it's beige, do not put OS X on it.

You will also want at least 384MB of RAM

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Scaredy cat, you need to run disk utility and under the repair tab, click on repair permissions.

I'm fully OS , no OS 9 at all on my machine. It is excellent and keeps getting better and better. You do have to learn a completely new way of doing things though. I'd say 512Mb is a sensible minimum RAM requirement for OS X.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

what do you mean, ed? I hardly do anything different.

― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I think 8/9 looks way better. The one time I went into OSX it seemed to have messed something up because when I came back to 9.2.2 and later had a crash on MSIE, there was (and still is) an unrepairable hard drive error (I quote: "Keys out of order, 4, 4842".) No matter really, after I'd quit doing design this computer became little more than a very expensive email/web accesser and CD burner.

― Poppy (poppy), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)

It's forced me to be more organised, by no means a bad thing. It's nopt really a front end thing its an under the hood thing. Nothing has remained the same in that respect. You can do so much more.

The most useful thing that MacOS X has allowed me to do is to run sendmail. Something that is so useful if you plug onbes computer into different networks all the time.

Poppy, that keys out of order hard driver error is fairly common, it happened to me. OS X is really sensitive to it. YOu should fix it before it gets worse (it can cause a flashing questionmark on startup). A programme called disk warrior can fix it.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Ed, I'll look into that.

― Poppy (poppy), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I love OS X. It's stable, it allows me to get to the files and apps I want v.quickly and I love the fisher price look. OS 9 I never really liked. It's fiddly.

You will also want at least 384MB of RAM

Want maybe, need no. I have 256MB and it's snappy as anything, except when I'm arsing around a lot in Photoshop, maybe, but hey.. Photoshop.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I will always like simpler GUI's (i still think RISCOS roXoR better than anything I've ver used, but well...) but OSX is the chap. We won't be rolling it out to real actual designers here until we've got off the fence on Quark6/Indesign2 (please let's not go in to that here), but I love it. It's so stable, lovely lovely unix, everything is easy to get to. The real Fisher Price interface is over at WinXP -- ew! Actually that's a dis-service to fisherprice who make elegant stuff that's good for little hands.

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 3 July 2003 08:13 (twenty-two years ago)

QUARK6 NOW!!

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 3 July 2003 08:16 (twenty-two years ago)

You think Douglas is archaic, you don't want to know what HSA is running. That Mac should be in a museum!

― kate (kate), Thursday, 3 July 2003 08:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Quark 6 this summer definately, for sure, they promised, really......

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 3 July 2003 08:19 (twenty-two years ago)

BRING BACK QUARK 3! (4 and 5 suck the big one)

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 3 July 2003 08:20 (twenty-two years ago)

OSX is everything. What's the score with Quark 6? Due in the Summer you say? Whats the RRP (in sterling)?

Anyone tried Safari out? It's quick. Real quick.

― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 3 July 2003 08:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I understand there is a hooha about the UK pricing, with it costing about 50% more than in the States.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 3 July 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

There was a story in MacUser the other week about some price discrepancy between the US and UK with Quark 6... in the US, $899, in the UK £899!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 3 July 2003 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)

G3 350mhz running 9.2.2. Still crashes occasionally.

I will upgrade to OSX when I get a new computer in a year or two; upgrading from 8.6 to 9.2 was a bit of a pain (peripherals not working, etc.) that I'm a bit gunshy at this point.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 3 July 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Worst thing about going to OS X was having to get rid of a cannon printer which worked fine, but canon wouldn't realase an OS X driver for. HP and epsom released drivers for practically every usb printer they have ever made. Boo cannon.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 3 July 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i've got a cyan g3, i'm in no rush to upgrade to osx – i like 9.2 alright. but when i get a new machine i'd imagine i'll have x on it – hopefully i'll be done this "freelancing" crap soon and i can buy a new machine within the year.

as for quark, i want them to bring back the "deletion alien". anyone remember that – when you'd hit, i think, command delete or something¿

― dyson (dyson), Thursday, 3 July 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

apple alt shift DELETE on 5, it was K on 3 and 4. hee

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Using OS X on the iBook, still have 8.6 on the old old iMac that I don't really use anymore (harddrive about to fail, most likely, so it's there so my roommate can use Illustrator, mostly). Thought about putting 9 on the iMac but meh, I like 8.6 better I think. But I like OS X even more (even though, yeah, some of the design elements are all wrong, silly candy-colored buttons...).

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 3 July 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Candy rockist.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 3 July 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's my vote (yet again) for OSX.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone talk me through setting up Mac OS X Mail? I don't know how to find out IMAP or POP server details. :(

― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure dealing with notmail.com is your best bet.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

No, it's student webmail.

― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't run OSX on my wallstreet powerbook. :(

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Possibly pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk as the incoming mail server and smtp-server.cent.gla.ac.uk as the outgoing mail server. If not, ask uni IT desk.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

And your username might just be the first part of your email address (before the @) or it might be the whole thing.

I guessed the server names the list at http://www.psy.gla.ac.uk/~steve/www/univ.WWW.html btw so they're probably wrong.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Nick. I'll give that a go. I think it's heading the way of asking the Uni IT department, though.

Oh yeah, OS X rocks quite clearly.

― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

my computer works with OS9... why should I change to OS X?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

MY GOD HE'S THROWN US ALL

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the Fisher Price look, too, N.

― Mandee, Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...

I'm on 8.6. Can I just install X and assume that all my files will be magically subsumed into the new program, or do I need to take special precautions?

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 9 January 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

sometimes an older machine cant handle it as far as i have heard.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 9 January 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

your machine should handle X, mary, but you should get some more ram iirc, you have to update to OS 9 before you can install X if you still want to run 'classic' applications.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

still hanging in there with 9.1

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

A noble personage is lending me both 9 and 10. Will my meager memory be enough to handle it for the time being?

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

No, not in the slightest.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

64 won't be enough to handle OSX?

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

What if I just get with 9 for the time being?

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope, the stated minimum requirement is 128Mb, I wouldn't want less than 256Mb and 512Mb will make it fly.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd stick with what you have until you get more memory.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh fuck I only have 20 MB left to use.

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

but you still have 64Mb in total (plus 64Mb virtual memory as well)

― Ed (dali), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

what 's the difference btwn regular and virtual memory?

also, do i have this:

and a built-in display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported by your computer?

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

virtual memory is memory on hard disc, it's handled completely differently by OS 8/9 and OS X so it doesn't count.

built in display is what you are reading this on.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 12 January 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I can get 256 for $100, that's not that bad.

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

you ought to be able to get it for less than that.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 12 January 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Why Powerbook G3 do you have? (Do you have firewire or not?)

crucial.com have 512Mb for $136

― Ed (dali), Monday, 12 January 2004 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we determined earlier that I do not have firewire. My g3 is with the bronze keyboard if that helps.

I think I remember from when I got the computer that you could take out the battery and put the new memory in the slot? Or is this wrong? Or can you not do this any more?

I may have the computer people install it for me (the new memory). (Don't hate me.)

This DIY is getting old.

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

it's so easy, they will hose you for install fees. Surely you must have a mate with a screw driver?

― Ed (dali), Monday, 12 January 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The broadband hook-up was supposed to easy, and look where that has gotten me. In a room full of wires with no broadband and no cable tv either anymore.

That said, maybe I'll see what sayeth Geeta. But are you sure this computer takes memory the way the others do? It wasnt on the Mac site for adding memory.

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

how to identify your powerbook

― Ed (dali), Monday, 12 January 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

moi:

PowerBook G3 Series (Bronze keyboard)
The PowerBook G3 Series (Bronze keyboard) (M5343) also has the large, white Apple logo. The main visual difference is the keyboard, which has a translucent bronze color. The computer has a single PC Card slot on the left side, no exposed modem port, two USB ports, and is slimmer than the PowerBook G3 Series computer. The ports on the back of the computer are fully covered by a single door.

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you know if Polaris is a reputable dealer, Ed? They seem to have a really cheap price for my computer.

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, it's not cheap, but it is for my computer...

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm on 9.2 now + Broadband. It wasn't as painless as I had been led to believe, and now there is an American flag on my computer:( Thanks to bnw for trouble-shooting.

I may get 10 soon. (I have panther but not regular 10.) Does anyone want to lend me jaguar?

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

(I have panther but not regular 10.) Does anyone want to lend me jaguar?

Mary, if you have Panther you don't need Jaguar or regular 10. Panther is just the code/marketing name that Apple uses in addition to "Mac OS X 10.3"

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm having problems with Earthlink. It thinks I am on dial-up and it won't let me change my options. What to do?

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Mary go to network settings or tcp/ip or what ever it's called and make sure you are set to ethernet, not PPP.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

In TCP/IP I'm set to ethernet, using DHCP server, but there is no DHCP client ID...

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

don't need one, it should not think you are on dial

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

how are you connected now?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh snap, it works now. I just had to configure a new account in Outlook Express.

(I am connected by broadband. I never had a problem with getting on the internet, I just couldn't hook up with earthlink mail for some reason, but I think it is ok now.)

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I am now on FisherPrice 10.2. Thanks to everyone who helped me along the way. I hope my computer can handle it. (If NYU sells the next version for 1/2 price, does it make any sense to buy it?)

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 22 January 2004 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, if anything it's faster on older hardware than 10.3

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 22 January 2004 07:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://mplayerosx.sourceforge.net/

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 22 January 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

im still on 9.2 my g3 doesnt do well with os x :( i cry i cry

― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Thursday, 22 January 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Does everyone leave the icons at the bottom of the page? I'm not used to getting my mail down there.

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 22 January 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

you mean the dock? i put it on the right side of the screen (and set it to "hide" when i don't need it)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 22 January 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Mine disappears unless I stick my cursor down there.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 January 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

!!!

― dean! (deangulberry), Thursday, 22 January 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

My mom's does that too.

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 22 January 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

!!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 January 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice.

― dean! (deangulberry), Thursday, 22 January 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys know that's set via dock preferences, right? It took me a while to get used to the dock but I like it now. I don't use the auto-hide feature bcz I don't like seeing a lot of motion or activity onscreen like that.

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 23 January 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

You could get a hack which means you could put the dock at the top. Why I have no idea; only a mentalist would do this really.

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 23 January 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

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