Bullying: I *think* I'm being bullied

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I'm working in a new contract job, under a martinet boss who is making my life a misery - making me feel hopelessly inadequate and generally rotten about myself. Before starting the job, some people had mentioned to me that this person has a reputation for bullying, but I thought I could somehow get through - the contract being only six months, then I could return to my old job, having picked up the necessary experience and training to get on. However, after several years operating in my chosen industry, I find I am suddenly questioning myself about whether I actually do have the aptitude I once believed I had. On one hand my boss says don't be afraid to ask questions - 'if there's anything you're not sure about..' - but my questions (steadily getting fewer and increasingly being stuttered) are invariably greeted by rolling of the eyes, shaking of the head to indicate dismay, half muttered sarcastic remarks, and a malevolent canine snarl, where his bottom lip snaps away from his brittle beard and his lower jaw juts to one side. He rebukes me in front of my colleagus (none of them are under him, in fact) but with a rage that is too sibilant to be regarded as fulmating, like an overwrought mother might lean into the face of her rorty infant, showing her index finger, whispering 'just you dare'. He also once patted me on the back in response to a mistake I had made, and it felt tenuously aggressive - the energy just shy of anthing more substantial, so it could be interpreted as friendly guidance. I almost would have rathered he had assaulted me because I am not by nature a cowardly person, and violence on his part would have been all I needed to put an end to this sorry saga (an articulate dressing down, shopping him in etc.). But he always somehow, quite astutely, stays away from ever making his bullying obvious, and I actually find myself wondering if I am being bullied at all (maybe I am being a wimp and this kind of boss is one we all encounter from time to time, and the experience is maybe even good for me, like fibre, foul medicine; Or character-building - being made to sleep without a groundsheet in your tent when camping with the scouts, waking up to dicover the tent, loaned by a charity, was pitched on an anthill and you've been bitten all over). He never name-calls - says anthing that in cold print can appear like bullying - but the criticism is constant (realistically about once every five minutes on average), right from the start of my working day, through to the end. Sometimes a bout of angry bollocking tapers into a more gentle, matey tone, which I find absolutely nonplusssing '..and you just have to learn how to enjoy yourself a bit more', 'please don't think I'm being malicious'. He talks about how I need to learn, but he must see, surely, that I'm not thriving, that I'm becoming more and more doddery and reticent. And he talks about how noone else would be so patient with my poor performance and says he is reacting far more lightly than would be usual. And when I attempt to defend my actions he stops me from talking.

I hate it that I am trying to placate him..in numerous silly and irreconcilable ways, like trying to lose my accent (in case he thinks it's too posh, even though he has a similar accent to mine), stopping crossing my legs when I sit down (in case he thinks it's too feminine, even though he's not overtly ladish), and even admitting that other people in the past have accused me of me patronising, WHEN THEY ACTUALLY HAVEN'T, just to make him feel better about having accused me of me patronising himself - trying to establish harmony. I've been trying to find ways of learning my new job 'his way' without losing my dignity: staying cheerful, calm, letting his comments roll of my back, as it were. But I fear my frustration is mounting, and that if I eventually do anything, when I do, it will be articulately explosive - a verbally serrated dressing-down, telling him, diagnosing holistically, for his benefit, completely what the fuck is wrong with him - prognosis: you die alone. But my career would be over. Oh, I am covered in ant bites - any suggestions?

James A, Saturday, 5 July 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

damn, that's way too long for a nigga like me to read. i hope shit works out, whatever it is.

faggotry (faggotry), Saturday, 5 July 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

James, this subject is close to my heart as I was bullied for years and finally learned how to deal with bullies. I am never bullied any more. You need to understand that bullies are cowards. They are the most fearful people on earth - unlike you, they are even afraid of themselves. The bullying it to create a bulwark against their own self doubt.

I don't know what the approved way for dealing with bullying actually is. I can tell you what definitely works for me. If it doesn't work for you, drop it and try something else. Here it is.

First, learn the art of being gently intimidating. Bullies never bully anyone who they think may be their match - on any level. Make your accent posher. Make it so posh that you appear to be of a higher social class than him. Play up on it whenever you need to put him in his place. Cross your legs and be more overtly 'feminine'. If he's trying hard to imply you're less of a man, accuse him of flirting with you - but accuse him playfully, like you know his type. Make jokes about what happens to straight men after a few beers - about why men play physical contact sports etc. Imply ever so ambiguously that he's a closet case, especially when he pats you on the back. But always do this playfully, like you like him. When you make routine mistakes, turn it around by saying that routine jobs are not your forte - they're for less intelligent people. Then tell him he's really good at routine jobs - playfully. Continue to tease him in this way. Note his mistakes.

If you find yourself getting angry, which will happen, best to use the anger like this: become such a seething pot of fury that he dare not come near you. Don't throw things or lose your temper. Become angry in the way that people become when you dare not disturb them. Make him walk on eggshells around you when you're angry. Stare him down, glare at him with obvious murderous intent. Bullies hate this, it freaks them out and they go right back into their shells. Remember, he's a coward and will only pick on you when you're trying to stay cheerful. Cowards never, never provoke anyone they think might explode. Then, when you're feeling better, act like it never happened. This last bit is essential. Be cheerful when he's cheerful. Reinforce his good moods. Punish his bad moods or any undesireable behaviour with instant but craftily subtle humiliation. I guarantee he will learn fast.

Once he's learned to behave himself, you can loosen up and start being your nice normal self again, in strict doses as long as he doesn't backslide.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 5 July 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

The last time I was bullied was in high school but what I did then was this: I adopted the manner of speech, the gestures, the attitude of the bully when he would talk to me. Not mocking him, mind you, just mimicking. So when he would attack me he would attack himself. Utter mentalism but it worked for me.

Sommermute (Wintermute), Saturday, 5 July 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe you should stop focussing on your boss and instead focus on your job?

There is no escape. He is a bad boss. Whatever you do will not change that. Quit, move on and find another work enviroment you are comfortable in. It's not difficult.

retard, Saturday, 5 July 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I've no idea what will and won't work. I believe that Colin's methods come from experience, but I have a very deep suspicions of generalisations along the 'all bullies are cowards' line, so I have no idea whether those devices will work for you, or just get you bullied more, or sacked. This man does have the security and position of strength, and that is factual, so you can't compete on that level.

He's plainly an arsehole and a nasty piece of work, and your best bet is to get away from him as soon as you can.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 July 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't let him get to you, James. Just try to block out his fuckwitted belittlement and, as Martin said, get out of there as soon as you can.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Saturday, 5 July 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

c'mon james, make a stand. show this fuck you have some backbone.

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Saturday, 5 July 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I know what you're going through - I had one such boss. No matter how strong you think you are, they can break you down and make you doubt yourself. I thought it wasn't possible until it happened to me. If there's any way you can get out of there, do so. It took me three years, so I know how hard it is. One thing that helped was to find allies and spend time with them *away from work*. I used to pass notes with one guy - we had to throw them back and forth from the cubicle. We also made a voodoo doll. Having an ally is extremely therapeutic. Another thing that might be possible is to go over his head if at all possible. I finally worked up the courage to do this, and it ended up working for me. If none of this is possible right now, just remember that it really isn't you or your skills. Also, there are a lot of good books on bullying and psychopathic personalities that were helpful to me in understanding my boss' psychology.

Kerry (dymaxia), Saturday, 5 July 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I think next time he mumbles or mutters something under his breath, you should ask him what he said. "What was that? I didn't hear you."

amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 5 July 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Sommermute's advice is excellent too. I think you'd like a book called "Provocative Therapy" by Frank Farrell - from the 70's, but still in print. There's some good stuff about mirroring there. Remember, bullies are afraid of themselves, so anything you do that reflects their vulnerabilities will have them retreating. I can't stress the importance of _instant_ reward for good behaviour and _instant_ punishment for bad behaviour enough. Nothing will work unless you're sharp and snappy.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 5 July 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

You can also heed Martin's advice, and get out as soon as you can to a better job. Be aware that bullying situations tend to recur until the bullied party learns how to deal with them.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 5 July 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Are others bullied? Do you have potential allies at work? How do the bully's peers see him? Do you enjoy the work to the extent that you would be happy to stay there if it wasn't for him?

If you can answer these qs I could give better advice, but I would say that regardless, you have to face up to him and let him know that you will not tolerate any more of this.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 7 July 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
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Masked Intruder (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Passive aggression is a great defense when you have to take criticism and active aggression, if it isn't possible to just deal with it in an up front way, like when it's at work and you don't want a troublesome confrontation. I was once threatened with getting docked pay by the accountant at my job, who was known for being nasty and screwing with records, I said "someone told me that they were thinking of calling the dept. of labor to complain about you, of course I would never do that as long as I'm getting paid for every minute I'm here", she stormed out the door and I never heard about it again.

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

eight years pass...

James, this subject is close to my heart as I was bullied for years and finally learned how to deal with bullies. I am never bullied any more. You need to understand that bullies are cowards. They are the most fearful people on earth - unlike you, they are even afraid of themselves. The bullying it to create a bulwark against their own self doubt.
I don't know what the approved way for dealing with bullying actually is. I can tell you what definitely works for me. If it doesn't work for you, drop it and try something else. Here it is.

First, learn the art of being gently intimidating. Bullies never bully anyone who they think may be their match - on any level. Make your accent posher. Make it so posh that you appear to be of a higher social class than him. Play up on it whenever you need to put him in his place. Cross your legs and be more overtly 'feminine'. If he's trying hard to imply you're less of a man, accuse him of flirting with you - but accuse him playfully, like you know his type. Make jokes about what happens to straight men after a few beers - about why men play physical contact sports etc. Imply ever so ambiguously that he's a closet case, especially when he pats you on the back. But always do this playfully, like you like him. When you make routine mistakes, turn it around by saying that routine jobs are not your forte - they're for less intelligent people. Then tell him he's really good at routine jobs - playfully. Continue to tease him in this way. Note his mistakes.

If you find yourself getting angry, which will happen, best to use the anger like this: become such a seething pot of fury that he dare not come near you. Don't throw things or lose your temper. Become angry in the way that people become when you dare not disturb them. Make him walk on eggshells around you when you're angry. Stare him down, glare at him with obvious murderous intent. Bullies hate this, it freaks them out and they go right back into their shells. Remember, he's a coward and will only pick on you when you're trying to stay cheerful. Cowards never, never provoke anyone they think might explode. Then, when you're feeling better, act like it never happened. This last bit is essential. Be cheerful when he's cheerful. Reinforce his good moods. Punish his bad moods or any undesireable behaviour with instant but craftily subtle humiliation. I guarantee he will learn fast.

Once he's learned to behave himself, you can loosen up and start being your nice normal self again, in strict doses as long as he doesn't backslide.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 5 July 2003 11:54 (11 years ago)

what a fuckin nuts post

local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 02:02 (ten years ago)

"the best thing to do is to develop an empty, glassy stare that makes your boss think you have become inhabited by Pazuzu"

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 02:20 (ten years ago)

one year passes...

So I have this new job that I very much like, but I am seeing the very first signs of being bullied by one of my coworkers. I've been bullied in high school so I can recognize some patterns. Also, emotionally, I cannot have this happen to me again. The problem is that I just can't afford to quit at the moment, nor do I want to suffer some blow to my reputation (film industry is a small affair). I am thinking of discussing this with my boss, but heh, she'll side with the bully.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 11 August 2016 22:38 (nine years ago)

Bullies, in my experience, are the biggest pussies in the world wrt people who stand up for themselves and show that they're unwilling to be pushed around. Because I've always been a smaller person (and, thusly, an obvious target for bullies) but I've also always had a v low threshold for bullshit, so nascent bullying has always remained just that. I'm not sure how standing up for yourself would translate in your specific work environment.

Bottomless Brunch & Topless Tapas (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 August 2016 23:14 (nine years ago)

@Van Horn Street, hope you're okay. It's a shit minefield. For the official route to work, they have to do something that is officially against the rules, but the rules on paper are often subject to interpretation on the fly by authority figures. Meanwhile they can get away with doing loads of stuff against you but keeping just within the rules.

It's worth noting stuff down as it gets said or done, so you've got a record with dates and times, etc., and show how their behaviour impacts on you the worker and on company profits. Of course I say that, but I never had the foresight to do it in practice.

Never changed username before (cardamon), Thursday, 11 August 2016 23:58 (nine years ago)

Really sorry to hear about that. I hope the perks of the job can prevent it from getting to you too much. I agree that keeping a papertrail of everything is a good idea, and as far as possible just trying to ignore them. Monosyllabic responses and formal exchanges only and hopefully they'll just tire of their own horrible behaviour.

It certainly is punk of the Church of England to think that way (tangenttangent), Friday, 12 August 2016 00:06 (nine years ago)

HR or its equivalent can only defend you properly if you document your experiences. That means contacting them and letting them know. If this comes back to bite them they are opening themselves up to a workplace retaliation suit.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 12 August 2016 00:15 (nine years ago)

Yeah part of the difficult dynamic is that we are only four employees (and severely understaffed), standing up to it would undermine the whole organization. Plus I don't have the guts at this point (which is part of why it makes me feel horrible). On top of that is that I am very scared of earning a reputation I don't deserve (double edged sword). Keeping records is something that I'm going to do. All doing the monosyllabic response and keeping it formal for the moment. Discussed it with my family and they think if the situation worsens or continue, well just leaving this job is the best thing to do, they gave me a wider perspective on things.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 12 August 2016 02:47 (nine years ago)

Thanks for the advice guys, this is why I truly love ilm.

Also discussions about Built to Spill.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 12 August 2016 02:49 (nine years ago)


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