what is the score with broad street to dalston junction?

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you got me onto transport in london now, you'll have to face the consequences. there used to be a line between broad st and dalston. why was this closed down and allowed to go into great disrepair?

and how is broad st different to liverpool st?

and can you get up onto the viaduct?

― gareth, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Broad Street to Dalston Junction was closed when Broad Street was demolished as part of the the rationalisation in the 70s. By this point it had next to no traffic, the BS-Dalston-Richmond line being its only off peak service. The Broad Street station site is now Broadgate.

There are plans to reutilise the old line as part of the ELL extension, which should be being built in the next couple of years.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That should be 80s rather than 70s there.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It was famously fetured in the bizarre Paul McCartney film Give My Regards TO Broad Street. No more lonely nights indeed.

― Pete, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In High Heels Low Life there is a brief scene shot on top of a viaduct-oid structure. When Ed the S&S reviews ed and I saw this we were galvanised into puzzlement: WHERE THA FUCK? Who has seen this dreadful dreadful film, and knows?

*tumbleweed*

OOOOH-KAY: In Mona Lisa, the road bridge where the prostitutes are: where IS this? Does it still exist?

― mark s, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have a vague feeling - if the viaduct-oid isn't too high - that it migh be the never used Archway - Finsbury Park cutting (now know as the countryside walk and ver ver lovely it is too). I saw film. Stank.

― Pete, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Never used? I know it was part of the never completed Northern Heights extension from Moorgate-Finsbury Park-Highgate-Mill Hill, but I thought something had run along that route before the extension was planned.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yeah, the low not the high viaduct-oid which the bomb was thrown from: that wd be plausible, as it was green and verdant

― mark s, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Its vaguely possible, in as much as Crouch End has a ghost platform (but nothing really in the way of a station). On the other hand absolutely no sign of rails ever being laid down - but I am more than willing to concede the point on this one.

Its a lovely walk anyway, and would make a lovely jog - if you were that way inclined.

― Pete, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have a 1949 Beck map with the proposed Northern Line extensions: Finsbury Park - Stroud Green - Crouch End - Highgate - Cranley Gardens - Muswell Hill - Ally Pally and, separately, Mill Hill East - Mill Hill: The Hale - Edgware - Brockley Hill - Elstree South - Bushey Heath. Richard: do you know what happened to these? Where they just electrification of existing lines (which disappeared with Beeching), or genuinely new Tube routes?

As for the ELL extension, there's a 1994 map with lots of fanciful extras (which may or may not come to fruition): Amersham - Harrow - Wembley Park - Paddington - Bond St - TCR - Holborn - Farringdon - Liverpool St - Stratford, also, as above but from Ealing Broadway to Paddington (the two arms of the semi-mythical CrossRail?). The now presumably dead Parsons Green - King's Road - Victoria - TCR - Angel - Dalston - Hackney - Hainault. And ELL itself: East Dulwich - Peckham Rye - Queen's Road (so far, so Connex) - Deptford Park - Surrey Quays - [existing EL line] - Bishopsgate (the viaduct?) - Hoxton - Haggerston - Dalston - Canonbury - H&I.

Best source of info on these routes on the Web?

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Give My Regards To Broad St - most bizarre computer game adaptation (ZX Spectrum). You played Paul McCartney, travelling around London (or was it the whole world?) collecting fragments of a song.

― Nick, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Re Northern Heights stuff: I did manage to get a fair idea of what was going on there from the two books of tube maps I've got, some of which had old rail routes on them as well. However, I can't remember exactly what's what and my books are at home. I'll check up when I get in and post more later. In the meantime I'd suggest a search of uk.transport.london.

As far as the whole ELL/Crossrail/Chelney shebang is concerned John Rowland's Tran sport Plans For London is an excellent resource.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thanks Richard. Fascinating stuff (to me, at least). Camberwell seems to have been waiting the longest for a Tube/Rail station - powers granted for a Bakerloo extension in 1931, and it's on that 1949 map... Mebbe next year, eh?

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I used to post to uk.transport.london and can recommend it, inasmuch as there's usually someone there who is a real expert in the field and can answer whatever you ask.

― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Boys, have you noticed NOT A SINGLE GURL has contributed to this thread...

*carsmile passes round the anoraks

― carsmilesteve, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I remember taking the broad street richmond line to kew on nursery school outings. by the time I used to take it to school it was the north london line from dalston kingsland. I used to ride in the gaurds van of the old corridor-less slam door trains

― Ed, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

From a map dated 1930 in No Need To Ask it appears that the Finsbury Park to Alexandra Palace and Finsbury Park-Highgate-Mill Hill-Edgware lines were already there in some form, so these intended extensions were probably just electrifications. The extension up past Edgware isn't marked as an existing line and so was more likely a genuine new line.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...

i walked under the viaduct yesterday, middleton road/haggerston road

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 18 November 2002 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

ha, threads like this remind me of when my name had CAPITAL LETTERS!

― robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:03 (twenty-three years ago)

This site is useful:

http://www.aovt29.dsl.pipex.com/overground/

― MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 11:16 (twenty-three years ago)

It was famously fetured in the bizarre Paul McCartney film Give My Regards TO Broad Street

For twenty years, until this moment, I have mis-interpreted the name of this film as 'Give My Regards to Broadway'. I mean, I would hear 'Broad Street', and I would say 'Broad Street', if I ever had to mention the film (which I don't think I ever did). But I understood it as Broadway, somehow. I'm inclined to watch the thing, now that I know better.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:23 (twenty-three years ago)

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