This is the thread where we decide the ILE Teen Film Canon.

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as suggested by miloauckerman on the "stone cold classic films" thread.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

what qualifies as a "teen film" for our purposes?

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

a film made by, for, and featuring only teenagers

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Films about teenagers/young adults aimed at teenagers/young adults?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Lost Angels - notable for being the film debut of Adam Horovitz.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Sixteen Candles!!!!!!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Rebel Without a Cause
Porky's
Fast Times at Ridgmont High
Bring It On
Show Me Love
Better Off Dead
Kids
Valley Girl
House Party
Donnie Darko
Pump Up The Volume
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Dazed and Confused
The Breakfast Club
Heathers
Cruel Intentions
Foxes
Little Darlings

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

by, for, about teens with few (hopefully no) other genre trappings (though plenty of the above are quasisomethings)

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

eg. Bring It On is quasi-musical, Donnie Darko is quasi-sci fi

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck Breakfast Club, SIXTEEN CANDLES!!!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Excellent list Mr. Blount, bravo!

― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

but i'm a cheerleader

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Crazy/Beautiful
10 Things I Hate About You
Can't Hardly Wait
Empire Records
Glory Days

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

She's All That (a perfect model of the genre)
Ghost World
Heathers (deserves two votes)
Rumble Fish
A Nightmare on Elm Street
Pretty In Pink
10 Things I Hate About You

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Y Tu Mama Tambien
Take Care of My Cat
Rebel without a Cause

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah yeah, Rushmore too.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

american pie surely? or do straight-up comedies not count

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

was Rushmore really aimed at teenagers per se? or young adults?

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Sixteen Candles!!! By the time Tom Hughes and crew got to Pretty In Pink they werent teens anymore.

I love all those films regardless. Just dont supress your love for the uber geek John Cusack.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Rock 'N' Roll High School. Bombs, drugs and the Ramones. heh.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Clueless - the role of silverstone's career. whatever happened to her?

Crazy/Beautiful - the chemistry between hernandez and dunst is palpable. she acts up a storm in this.

Bully - a few too many phillips crotch shots for my taste, this would rank as one of the most bleak depictions of young people ever.

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

That should be Glory Daze.
I don't think so much of it, but Rules of Attraction got a lot of ILE love from what I remember.

Does Election count as a teen movie?

Are there any universally reviled movies (Varsity Blues, I'm looking at you)?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Blount's list is pretty damn solid.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah duh Clueless is k-classic.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to say "a teen is an important character in it => it is a teen movie" but then I realized that would make Double Indemnity a teen movie!

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah election counts! a great film. reese should do more of these indie films.

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

will anyone stick up for the thoroughly repellent Less Than Zero?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

want to kill a thread?

get james to post his lists of film. damn near thinks of everything!!
great list mate.

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Holy shit Clueless! Of course!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

justyn it would also make lolita a "teen movie! and that's a definite no-no.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

for those who care, take care of my cat is a korean movie from last year which chronicles the coming apart of a group of girlfriends in the year after they graduate from high school. it takes place in fusan and has a very precise sense of place, mood, class, etc. it was a big hit (critical and commercial) in korea and features a number of big pop stars (who of course i didn't recognize).

y tu mama tambien was apparently THE film to see for mexican teenagers.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I almost forgot Go. Sarah Polley+Katie Holmes+low-rent Christopher Walken (the cop)=excellent

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Y tu mama was a huge deal in Mtl though I never got around to seeing it.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

suicide club!

(re. justyn's comment about "having a teen it = teen movie" ... i'd love to program a double bill and see 100s of unwitting teenagers sit through lolita and kitano's boiling point)

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

it is amazing how hott dunst is in c/b. i think it's the lack of makeup, and oh yeah, the no bra wearin' and shirt liftin

say anything
the ice storm
welcome to the dollhouse
virgin suicides?

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:51 (twenty-two years ago)

What, no River's Edge? (True, it's got a decidedly non-teenaged Dennis Hopper, but every teen film needs its father figure, right?)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Stand by me

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

crikey jim! how did we forget that classic!

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Not Another Teen Movie is clearly the apex of the genre

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought NATM tried too hard

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Election, Ice Storm are too transgenerational, Go, Less Than Zero are twentysomething movies, A Nightmare on Elm Street is clearly a horror movie first and foremost, though it probably should qualify somehow also (along with Halloween, Friday the 13th, Scream, etc.). HUGE ditto to Virgin Suicides, etc. (I woulda mentioned Say Anything too, but Cameron Crowe and John Cusack are dead to me now.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Rules of Attraction is a college flick like Animal House, or Revenge of the Nerds.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah that ain't no teen flick.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Igby Goes Down
The Craft
American Graffiti
Leila 4-Ever

― JesseFox (JesseFox), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Some Kind of Wonderful
The Sure Thing

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ooh ooh ooh - Ginger Snaps!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Real Genius

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I love all teen films.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

but that doesn't help, I just rewatched American Pie 2 and it's a classic. I SO look forward to American Wedding although they're not supposed to really be teens anymore...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)

To go back a few years (what are you all, 20 and 30-year olds??? Uh, oh yeah): Last Summer, The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-In-The-Moon Marigolds, Harold and Maude, You're a Big Boy Now, The Sterile Cockoo, Bless the Beasts and Children. Some of these feature early-20 somethings, but they're films teenagers should watch.

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

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AND NOT AT ALL APPEALING IN ANY WAY

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

good god i loved The New Kid so much esp. for the theme song.

its rilly hit/miss tho and only "on" about half the time.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The New Guy you mean?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

with the estimable DJ Qualls?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah new guy.

i don't remember all the bits, but some of the humor was pretty vicious social satire and some was just... odd... enough to make it like Better Off Dead style.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like it for making Zooey Deschanel look dumpy.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

She does NOT look dumpy!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Vanilla Ice, tho - he had a bit of unflattering dump in his trunk, I think. Or maybe it was the haircut.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Just in that movie, don't you think?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

And, uh, I don't think Vanilla Ice was in that movie.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

He was! In the record store! He's a bouncer type!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah the gag with the whole clothing scene and "sorry i've been in prison a long time" was PRICELESS.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

what did that girl keep saying in lost and delirious? "rage more" or something. rage something.

― ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"stay gold"

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i've seen a few straight-to-cable teen movies in my day which don't even bear invoking. but whenever people speak of the "worst movies ever" in the back of my mind there are always some very good candidates.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 11 July 2003 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

100 Girls and Summer Catch were pretty bad. And that Freddie Prinze/Melissa Joan Hart movie.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"Summer Catch" was 1000 leagues better than "100 Girls," for which any epithet no matter how harmful would seem inadequate. The former at least had a classical plotline and a sense of form, no matter how warmed over the goods and uncharismatic the leads.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha! I almost picked up 100 Girls from work one day last year but I couldn't bring myself to do it.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked Summer Catch. Best teen sports flick since... Varsity Blues? Mighty Ducks 3?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I wanna kill that guy in 100 Girls

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 12 July 2003 07:41 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...

Apparently teen films can't do wrong.

Anyone seen The Perfect Score?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:16 (twenty-one years ago)

oh i so want to! haha - the only scarlett johanssssson flick i've wanted to see in a long time!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I skipped class to see the Cooler instead of it yesterday. My mistake. The Cooler suXor.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i've heard that. how much did it reek of mamet?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Better Off DEAD!!!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that was the Macy effect more than anything to do with the script. (Though I haven't seen Glengarry Glen Ross - just "House of Games," terrible and that heist movie, less terrible.)

Best part: Paul Sorvino's junkie Sinatra-wannabe
Worst part: Alec Baldwin

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

really? ppl were going ape over baldwin i thought

― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

savage steve holland did the voice for the whammy on press your luck.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand all the Baldwin love. He was Alec Baldwin doing a (parody of?) a mob-backed casino boss, a rejected audition tape from a Scorsese movie.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

1 Ferris Bueller
2 Dazed & Confused
3 Bring It On

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i mentioned all of those earlier

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 6 February 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

It takes more than one mensh to make a canon. I'm seconding those choices. Also 'Dick'.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't take two mentions to put Ferris Bueller in the canon.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean it's already there through obviousness? I'll concede that.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

just saw "Last American Virgin" tonight, and it might have the best final five minutes of film since Antonioni's L'Eclisse. no joke (though the rest of the film is inconsistent).

until i saw this thread i thought i was the only one who liked "the new guy". it hit a little close to home because my friend mike and I wanted to start a funk club at my high school. i think we just wanted to get some funk records, some people, and a stereo in the same room.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

10 things was on tv tonight. What a great movie! We should do a list of best stupid-delightful awkward public singing to display affection scenes! Also julie stiles dancing to biggie = hotttt.

(btw on Cooler I thought the whole *point* was to be parodic, like affectionately masculine/anti-masculine)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I tend to define "teen movie" as the kind I've completely outgrown and couldn't possibly understand. I hate all teen movies, even the ones I liked as a teen. They're stupid as a rule.

― Harold Media (kenan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

And yes, I *do* hate fun, thank you very much.

― Harold Media (kenan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

We didn't mention Get Over It on this thread either. Its not quite 10 Things... but it is actually hella closer to WMS in spirit and the way it throws the plot around madly. The problem with 10 Things... for me (which is the only problem, and not necc. a problem really) is that watching it I wanna break out in songs from Kiss Me Kate.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Criterion's I, Vitelloni comes out Tuesday, neo-realist teen flick? I'm so there.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 22 August 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

10 things is pretty good and i had some real affection for get over it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

watching it I wanna break out in songs from Kiss Me Kate.

This is only a problem if you're too cool for yourself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Does California Man count? Is Shore too old by Biodome for that to count (it's mentality is kind of adolescent). I would love it if Weekend at Bernies was eligible, though I guess thats really pushing too far.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Was Get Over It the one with Sisqo?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

yep!

(oh Ned the problem is that I want to enjoy that movie and not the other musical, and since it calls KmK to mind, then I think of something else which is infinitely superior both to 10 things and to nearly everything else)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarah and I had a cultural exchange this past weekend where we each picked out one movie that we had seen and enjoyed but the other person hadn't seen. As a result, I saw Footloose for the first time. I have to say I was pretty impressed by the moral ambiguity and complexity of the characters. There's no real bad guy in the movie. Well, the sleazy boyfriend, but he's hardly in the movie at all and they do show that he was hurt by the main girl leaving him for Kevin Bacon. The preacher-dad is hardly a villain at all. It's kinda cool. I made Sarah watch The Night of the Hunter, but that's not particularly relevant to this thread.

― n.a. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Has no one mentioned Grease?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

http://www.emanuellevy.com/search/details.cfm?id=2174

At night, sitting around a bonfire, they tell stories, which are shown in flashbacks. The fat kid recounts a revenge tale--how he participated in a pie-eating contest at the end of which he vomited over a contestant's face.

the fuck is wrong w/you, emanuel levy??

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 07:04 (fifteen years ago)

Stone-Cold Classics:
Seventeen
Donnie Darko
Cruel Intentions
Bully
Clueless
Can't Hardly Wait
Crazy/Beautiful
Brick
Rebel Without a Cause

― lol dope (Tape Store), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 07:12 (fifteen years ago)

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