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This Europe: Anglers in northern Italy find new bait to catch river Po's giant catfish: live kittens

By Peter Popham in Rome
07 July 2003

Anglers from northern Europe are using live kittens for bait while fishing in the Po river for the gigantic sheat-fish, according to police.
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― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 10 July 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Excellent. I can go home happy now.

― kate (kate), Thursday, 10 July 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Set K9 on them!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 10 July 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Fish revenge!

― NA. (Nick A.), Thursday, 10 July 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

this is awful :(

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 10 July 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

can we sic george w on these b*stards?

― kephm, Thursday, 10 July 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That's pretty sick, and I feel sorry for anyone who laughs at the suffering of any animal.

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 10 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"Traditionally, Italians have been sniffy about sheat-fish, holding that its meat is not worth eating."

Sheat ?!

― Sommermute (Wintermute), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Using baby cats to catch catfish! Genius!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Would it be any better if the kittens were already dead?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear news item:

Please be a hoax. Thank you.

― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread makes me so happy :)

The worm will have turned if any Italians decide to have a go at catching Angler Fish, though...

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Umm... That news story is just a joke, right? If not, don't tell me.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Now I want to make a film where a fish watches his dad get eaten by a cat and grows up all full of hate and vengeance and stuff and then one day he's all grown and ginormous and out of the sky drops a tiny yummy-looking kitten that happens to be the spawn of the cat that ate his daddy and he eats the cat and triumphant music plays as he after-all-these-years avenges his father's death! Totally.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

oh like the worms or minnows don't mind?

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"The sheat-fish is a freshwater catfish that can grow to a length of two metres or more. It can weigh up to 660lb (300kg). It has decimated the traditional fish of the Po, Italy's longest river, since its introduction some years ago, and has colonised all the waterways around Mantua. The fish, which has a jutting lower jaw and the long curling whiskers of the catfish, is omnivorous, and when it has exhausted local supplies of carp and eel is happy to snap up ducks and rats. The largest specimens think nothing of charging anglers' boats. They also eat each other"

this is the creature you would SAVE?! it pc kitten love GONE MAD I tell you.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

George W Bush would have no problems using kittens to catch big angry fish.

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, I love cats but this is completely SLAYING me. As already noted, using cats as bait for catfish = genius.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

revenge:

http://www.mysteryaction.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b3ta/lake.gif

by mystery bob on b3ta

http://www.b3ta.com/board/1506363 (cf Bandwidth Leeching)

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Revenge? Like fish don't get fed to cats all the time!

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, but it's okay to eat fish, coz they don't have any feelings.

― kurt (jel), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

nickalicious, please step away from the b*ng. your father/son revenge film is so mega not-suuweeeeeet dood.

― kephm, Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

If something isn't done quick, this kitten outrage will lead to a kitten outage!

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

But d00d kephm it's all about the cinematography!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

hey-do whatever you need to do to make you feel like a man.

― kephm, Thursday, 10 July 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

++George W Bush would have no problems using kittens to catch big angry fish.

you mean the 82nd kitten airborne division not "catching" the big angry saddam fish doesn't count?

― kephm, Thursday, 10 July 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I am in favour of using kittens to bait giant catfish. Have you been to Mantua recently? You have to wade through kittens to visit the art treasures. So why not kill two birds with one stone, the birds being kittens and giant catfish?

― fougasse (Jake Proudlock), Thursday, 10 July 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Wading through kittens??? What is this paradise called Mantua?

When we were in New York, Nick's sister was thinking about getting a kitten so we went to look at some. Now her dad is blaming me for being a bad influence. MWAH HA HA!

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 10 July 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

You're a kitten pimp!

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 10 July 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

that's so great though, if somebody is thinking about getting a kitten taking them to "look at some" makes it such a totally foregone conclusion.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 10 July 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone name a band after this thread, quick!

― Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

this isn't funny!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

oh it is

― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

no it's not!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

From CNN on APril 30, 2003:

Anglers carp at 'fish pain' theory

EDINBURGH, Scotland -- Anglers and animal rights activists were further apart than ever on Wednesday after scientists said they had proved for the first time that fish feel pain.

The study on rainbow trout by scientists in Scotland found evidence, researchers said, that fish have feelings, including stress and pain.

But the main angling group in Britain cast doubt on the research, saying that the findings contradicted previous studies.

The Royal Society published on Wednesday the latest findings of experiments on bees stinging trout lips, which caused some of the fish to display a "rocking" motion, according to the Press Association.

The study at Edinburgh University and the Roslin Institute in the Scottish capital concludes that fish have nervous system receptors, or "polymodal nociceptors," in their heads that respond to damaging stimuli.

The ones in trout were the first to be found in fish and have similar properties to those found in amphibians, birds and mammals including humans, PA said.

Dr. Lynne Sneddon, who led the study, told PA: "Our research demonstrates nociception and suggests that noxious stimulation in the rainbow trout has adverse behavioral and physiological effects. This fulfils the criteria for animal pain."

Animal rights organization PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, which is opposed to all angling, welcomed the study but said fish should not suffer to prove something obvious.

Dawn Carr, director of PETA (Europe), told PA: "It is unfortunate that these animals were made to suffer for this study, because we've been saying for years that of course fish can suffer and feel pain, just as all animals do.

"However we hope that when people see these results, they will think twice about going angling. Marine biologists and common sense tell us that if you trick a small animal into impaling his or herself in the mouth, that animal is suffering.

"It's shocking that people will still go fishing for fun. We argue that for every cruel thing people do, there is a compassionate alternative."

The National Angling Alliance (NAA), which represents one million anglers in the UK, described the conclusions as "surprising."

A spokesman said: "These findings are in direct contrast to the recent work of Professor James D. Rose of the University of Wyoming, who stated in the Reviews of Fisheries Science that fish do not possess the necessary and specific regions of the brain -- the neocortex -- to enable them to feel pain or, indeed, fear."

Dr. Bruno Broughton, a fish biologist and scientific adviser to the NAA, added: "I doubt that it will come as much of a shock to anglers to learn that fish have sensory cells around their mouths. Nor is it a surprise that, when their lips are injected with poisons, fish respond and behave abnormally.

"However, it is an entirely different matter to draw conclusions about the ability of fish to feel pain, a psychological experience for which they -- literally -- do not have the brains."

So would you not eat fish if you knew that they felt pain?

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Would it be any better if the kittens were already dead? Maybe. How did you kill them, Ned?

Man, the anglers mock their own humanity, and they really should be leaving that job to Dan P.

― Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

So would you not eat fish if you knew that they felt pain?
I'm sure the fish do feel pain, but I think it's reasonable to consider the type and duration of the pain, the necessity for the pain with respect to getting the fish to the plate, and the need to utilize said fish for food. I said "consider". I do eat fish.

Everyone's favorite debate- do lobsters feel pain when you drop them in boiling water? I have encountered more people than I can count who assert "no way- they don't feel". I don't know how long they feel it, but I feel very sure that before their little carapaces turn red they're all: "OOWWWWWWWWWW! WTF!! MotherF----! Oh, oh......" Then their CPU wires back to the collective they are going non-functional and that reinforcements will be needed if LobsterPlan2318takeoverplanet is to ever succeed.

― Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Back in VA, my landlord had a 10 or 12 pound miniature pinscher that he wouldn't let swim in the lake at his house because he'd seen adolescent ducks not too much smaller than his dog get swallowed whole by Catfish and Muskies.

― David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

How does one get a job inducing bees to sting fish lips?

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

It's one promotion up from donkey wanking.

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 11 July 2003 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Awww nooooooooooooooo!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 July 2003 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Your search - "donkey wanking" - did not match any documents.

Damnit! Foiled again!

― nickn (nickn), Friday, 11 July 2003 07:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I demmand that some musical ILXor IMMEDIATELY start a band called KITTEN PIMP!!! That is too good not to be used.

― kate (kate), Friday, 11 July 2003 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Pimpin' for pussy.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 11 July 2003 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I'll do an experiment to see if humans can feel pain. Anyone want to volunteer??

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

*raises hand*

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

But which lips are you going to sting?

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

*SHUDDERS*

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Grody!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm too twee for that shit. Remember?

― Sarah MCLUsky (coco), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Kitten Pimp!

― kate (kate), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, me too! Mark C you are bad!!
For sarah, I apologise for this nastiness!
http://www.whiskas.com.au/kitten/images/kitten.jpg

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Ma, get me fishing pole, somebody's brought us some bait.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Back the bag we're off to Mantua.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark C, I want to have your retarded babies </KathyMcGinty>

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

heh heh ahem Ed - you are a big meanie!!!!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM YUMMMMMMMM KITTENS!!!!

http://www.stannardhouse.com/images/catfish.jpg

― kate (kate), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahahhaahaaaaa

― Ed (dali), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I know Nabisco already did, but I just have to point this out again: "the latest findings of experiments on bees stinging trout lips." First of all, fish have lips? Second of all, experiments? As in, multiple experiments? Thirdly, why bees? Wouldn't it be easier to test fish pain the old-fashioned way, with electrodes and hooks that hold their eyes open so they can't blink and making them watch endless films of violent acts while classical music plays in the background?

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

that catfish is the funniest thing ever, as proven by ed and suzy

― Ed (dali), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Ed, I thought your "ma" post was pretty funny too.

Dan, sorry for stealing your thunder. But I wasn't voted 2001's 4th filthiest ILX poster for nothing, you know.

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Top three filthiest ILX posters:
Dan Perry
Chris V
but who is number 3?

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think it's a question of whether lobsters feel pain or not so much as whether they approve of being boiled alive per se, a process which, even if painless, can have only one result.

I once dined in a restaurant in Spain in the middle of which stood a raised tank full of somnolent lobsters. When anyone ordered lobster, the chef climbed up onto a stool, scooped out a lobster in a long-handled net, and repaired with it to the kitchen. What struck me forcibly was this: the lobsters did not submit to capture without protest, and scuttled off surprisingly quickly round the tank, alarm in their eyes, kicking up clouds with their back legs, in an attempt to evade their fate.

Lobsters aren't stupid. Are we to suppose that they sat in that tank, watching their boiled comrades being eaten at tables around them, without putting two and two together? It's not about physical pain but psychological pressure.

― fougasse (Jake Proudlock), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

There really should be a new poll.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

If I had been eating at that restaurant, I would have picked up my lobster, waved in front of the tank and shouted, "LOOK, IT'S YOUR MOM! I'M EATING YOUR MOM! NUM NUM NUM BOY YOUR MOM'S EYES TASTE GOOD!"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

My (late) friend Ashley's (late) dad used to go into the River Cafe in NYC, stride up to the lobster tank, and select his lobster by saying 'you there! your ass is MINE!'

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah, the top 2 in the filhtiest posters category refused to accept their award. I may well have been promoted to second behind Kodanshi, though I forget. Anyway, my return to filthiness (Engimna album?) will, I'm sure, be short-lived. I'm old these days.

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Top three filthiest ILX posters:

Some of us save it for the more rarified setting of AIM.

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Was there a thread on that, Mark C? Top filthiest posters I mean. That's important stuff!

People at one of the old offices I worked at, used to get lobsters delivered to the office in styrofoam buckets to make for dinner that night. It was really weird having these white boxes laying around with live lobsters in them.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark C is talking about the ILX Awards 2001, which had their own BOARD even (now lost in the wreck of Greenspun). We were saying at the last FAP we should do them again, can't remember why.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah, did you organise lobster races? Or leave lobsters on people's chairs? In the toilets?

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

A new poll would be fun. Esp. as there are so many new/different posters now.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Polls only make me sad as they only serve to reinforce how unpopular I am. I came in third in a two-horse race in the "ego of the year" contest, IIRC. God, how shattering. :-(

― kate (kate), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

who won?

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate, I am so unpopular that I never even register on polls! But they are still fun.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

We were talking of reviving polls to give such awards as "Most astute grasp of another poster: Calum's 'You don't go out much do you Ronan?'" I think I was just talking of giving awards rather than voting, as there is no competition for that one.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Well if there is voting, I'm picking myself for all categories.

― Leee (Leee), Friday, 11 July 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

Latest kitten outrage. Why are the CPS protecting this monster?

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 28 September 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Wouldn't it be easier to test fish pain the old-fashioned way, with electrodes and hooks that hold their eyes open so they can't blink and making them watch endless films of violent acts while classical music plays in the background?

B-b-b-but fish don't blink! (Ask anyone who ever tried to get in staring contest with one.)

― j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 28 September 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

OH MY GOD N! What have you done?????

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It wasn't me!!

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 29 September 2003 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

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