roommate in a cult?

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earlier this summer, my former roommate informed me that he was taking a summer position at the new york city celebrity center of a famous creepy organization (you know the one). i know that he was able to get at least one free 'therapy' session as part of the deal, and i'm pretty sure he took it. i haven't heard from him since.

do you think i have anything to worry about? if so, am i obligated to do anything about it?

Elmo Oxygen (elmo oxygen), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

yeeee

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd worry, that's what I would do.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Write him off.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

..my taxes??? Dude, then I need a cult-following roommate NOW!

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

if he's your friend then yeah, totally keep an eye on him. Don't be afraid to talk to him early on (like now)...I'm sure you don't have to fake any curiosity so just speak to him realistically. But at the same time he could be totally cool and able to deal with everything and maybe even able to get some positive things from the experience; you never know.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

dress up in a Cthulhu costume and come into his room at night screaming "I am X3nu! I am X3nu!"

...yes, I think he probably got taken in. As far as being obligated to do anything about - I dunno, I personally wouldn't mess with those people for nuffin', unless is was like my best friend & I thought he was unhappy. If he's happy, well, I don't really believe in "brainwashing" - "brainwashed" happines=happiness as fair as I'm concerned & I'm fairly sure that my minions "agree."

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

if his name is either "lisa" or "mcpherson" then yes I would worry

actually I'd worry anyway. utter loons...

THE rebel trouser (THE rebel trouser), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I still think the first post on this thread should have read "I know, I know, it's serious"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i think it could be. hopefully he'll see it for what it is and be keen enough to spot the unreasoning logic in it. eeks.

i've emailed him, hopefully i'll hear back soon enough.

Elmo Oxygen (elmo oxygen), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

elmo oxygen¿
elmo oxygen¿
have we a schizopolis follower in our midst¿

and the only way to compete with the feeling of acceptance, understanding and inflated ego one can only get from a cult is with an even bigger and beter cult. perhaps becoming a yakees fan.

would that be beter¿

dyson (dyson), Friday, 11 July 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

DAMN YOU DARN1ELLE FOR STEALING MY THUNDER AGAIN

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think there's any reason to get worried here. All religions are cults, and vice versa, as far as I'm concerned. Why is Sc1entology (if this is the group you're talking about) any creepier than Xtianity or Buddhism for that matter? If people want to believe in some "higher" reality, why not let them choose whichever one appeals to them?

o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

there are a very large number of reasons why sc1ent0l0gy is creepier than most. i don't have a URL to hand but there's a fascinating website on the subject..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

What do they do? Charge people a lot of money? So what - Armani charges people a lot of money for clothes, and no one calls him creepy. Why can't you charge for spiritual enlightenment?

o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmmm i'm not partic interested in dragging this discussion anywhere but if you think it's really as simple as that it might be worth reading a bit more about it, and not just L Ron's science fiction dross.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

God's gotta get his, too!

The aforementioned cult has an office across from the UT-Austin campus offering personality tests/screening. I almost took them up on the freebie, but I figure they'd never leave me alone. The other cult-test I wanted to take was the ASVAB. They're worse than cultists about bothering you, though.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe some people have had bad experiences with Sc1entology, but some people have had bad experiences with just about any religion you could name. I haven't done extensive research on the subject (and no I'm not a big fan of Hubbard) but I haven't heard anything so extraordinarily creepy about them. I mean can you at least give me the general outlines of what makes them so evil?

o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I think his point is not that Scientology is good, but that Scientology is no scarier/more dangerous than any other major organized religion.

When was the last time you heard about L. Ron Hubbard raping little boys? (Pedophiliac necrophilia...mmmm)

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

well yeah all religions seem to have their shady side but the aspects i'm most creeped out by are the massive levels of secrecy involved, obviously the huge amounts of money changing hands, the lengths to which the organisation appears to go to prevent people leaving, and the bottom line weirdness of its literature (next to D1an3tics, the Bible reads like a history textbook)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

My Armani gibe may have sounded flippant, but there's a serious thought behind it. I personally would not pay $30,000 (or however much) for an item of clothing, but some people would. By the same token, I would not pay $30,000 to have some contraption invented by L. Ron Hubbard strapped to my noggin, but some people would. I don't throw up my hands in horror about the first case, so why should I about the second? Are some people forced into Sc1entology against their will? Not to my knowledge. Is it possible for someone to become addicted to an expensive spiritual practice and then later regret it? Yes. But it's also possible for someone to become addicted to an expensive clothes habit and later regret it. And I don't see websites decrying the insensitivity of the marketing people at Armani for feeding these expensive clothes habits.

x-post: I don't think secrecy necessarily is bad. Maybe every organization doesn't want all of their inner workings made into a public spectacle. I can't say I really blame them. And as far as weirdness goes, I think comparing the relative amounts of weirdness in various religions/cults/whatever is a fool's errand. Any religion will seem weird to someone who doesn't believe in it (or hasn't become familiarized to it by constant exposure).

o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd be less worried if i didn't harbor such suspicion towards these human potential oriented organizations, from the less-threatening t0ny r0bbins end of the spectrum, up through the l4ndm4rk f0und4tion / est , through d14netics. the cult of personal responsibility bothers me so much because it leads to such narrow visions of self-improvement. if your idea of being a better person is becoming an asshole running on repressed anger who mutters affirmations to himself suchlike "i deserve all the money i want," i'm not sure i'd want to be your friend.

it's for this distinction these organizations cannot be said to be a religion. they do not promote compassion or understanding, but rather a rather puritan ethic of successful work and salvation, a mean vision of it too. the wealth of the pope notwithstanding, religions to not charge for participation. no cover charge at a church, man, maybe a embarrassed cough as you pass the collection plate without putting anything on.

Elmo Oxygen (elmo oxygen), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

nose army, dyson.

Elmo Oxygen (elmo oxygen), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Elmo, I can see how you could be worried that you're friend might turn into someone whom you no longer would want to be friends with. That seems like a reasonable concern to me. Joining a religion is a big decision, and it can strain a friendship if the other friend doesn't make the same decision. But the tone of your original post sounded like you were more concerned about his actual safety, and to me, that seemed unwarranted by the situation.

As far as religions promoting compassion and understanding - hey I like understanding and compassion as much as the next guy - but I would not dictate that every spiritual practice has to have these concepts as their foundation. It's a free country, people are entitled to their own views. Certainly Nietzsche wasn't too big on the supposed virtues of altruism, but I don't deny people their right to agree with him.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

if it IS sc1entol0gists then providing the dude with the "high level secrets" still avail on the net various places despite the attempted crackdown will surely reveal its absurdity to him.

I think those websites also have their own advice sections on how to cure ppl. of their krazy kultish ideas.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

"See, Sc13ntolog1sts believe that little malevolent aliens corrupt our souls..."

By the time you get to the part about the volcano, he'll be cured.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Hang on, isn't this thread supposed to be about the new Morissey single?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

nose army. jigsaw¿

dyson (dyson), Friday, 11 July 2003 07:40 (twenty-two years ago)

providing the dude with the "high level secrets" still avail on the net various places despite the attempted crackdown will surely reveal its absurdity to him

You're assuming that people don't like their religions to have an element of absurdity - I don't think the evidence bears this out.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

if he does join the sc1ent0l0gists you need to ask him to explain their cosmology with all the aliens and the apocalypse and stuff. most of the celebrity sc1ent0l0gists try to give good face by not talking about that part.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

You should get a bumper sticker that says "Scientologists Give Good Face."

NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

nine years pass...

Do Scientologists obsess over trivial details in your mp3 and book collection? Because I stopped exchanging e-mail with my old roommate over his obsession with my books and mp3, spicing up those e-mails with those scintillating and obscure exchanges like it's some kind of bond.

I threw out the creep, could use the rent money but living with someone that OCD is traumatizing. No he wasn't a Scientologist. I think his personal "creepy cult" is called Imtoowhiteology.

โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Italo Night at Some Gay Club (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 29 November 2012 14:22 (thirteen years ago)

whatever happened to elmo's roommate?

ゑ (clouds), Thursday, 29 November 2012 14:32 (thirteen years ago)

i got an l ron hubbard tract in the mail as a "holiday gift" from my dentist :-/

the late great, Thursday, 29 November 2012 18:55 (thirteen years ago)

Californlol.

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 29 November 2012 18:57 (thirteen years ago)

Do scientologists let you wear a coat during auditing? I've always wanted to run a small copper wire through a coat and attach the wire ends to my left and right thumbs. You could do some fun things with their "quantum e-meters," aka "fucking ohmmeters" with a copper wire. Perhaps I'd get to meet Tom.

Sufjan Gruden (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:44 (thirteen years ago)

whatever happened to elmo's roommate?

he went into the military

fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:06 (thirteen years ago)

also:
(9 years ago)

woah, i sometimes forget i've been around here that long

fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:08 (thirteen years ago)

he went into the military

Weird "The Master" vibe to that!

Una Stubbs' Tears (Trayce), Friday, 30 November 2012 10:24 (thirteen years ago)

Um, how does one politely decline a previously-accepted invitation to what one has subsequently become reasonably sure is a cult gathering? Particularly when one rather likes the inviter and is really disappointed to realize what she's become involved with? I'm asking for, uh, a friend.

Disturbance At The Hard-on House (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 17:31 (thirteen years ago)

try to make it seem like it's yr problem a/o/t making it seem like she's a freak? i had been briefly intrigued by both soka gakkai and those diamond way weirdos but quickly distanced myself once i realized their game. i wasn't rly closely related w/ anyone but this girl who was into DW whom i knew from some classes who was asking why i stopped coming to meetings.

horse motivator (clouds), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 17:54 (thirteen years ago)


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