How are American CVs and British CVs different?

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This might sound dumb, but I need to know.

Mandee, Friday, 11 July 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Americans use a french word for them.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

its a shame, i would love to hear 'curriculum veetah' in a Cartman-esque southern drawl

stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

come on, you guys!

Post your CV. Let's contrast and compare.

Mandee, Friday, 11 July 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

haha just this morning I had to explain to someone what a CV was! (since I live in America and all.) So yeah, Horace took my smartass answer.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

in America a "CV" is the accepted term for the resume of a professor or other academic/researcher, and it's usually much longer than the standard 1- or 2-page resume.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it's funny, cuz the french-speaking people i know in quebec call it a CV.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Over here everyone's a professor.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

like they're too good for their own word

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

CV's tend to be more formal then a resume over here.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

My resumé : "Yeah, I did some shit - give me the job"

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

fucking quebeckers, too good for their own language

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm such a music/synthesizer geek, I thought this was about Control Voltages.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Its not their fault. Part of the laungage laws is they can't use any word that us anglophones use.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

they're just trying to offload all their lame words on us, while they secretly revert to Latin.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

You guys are no help.

Mandee, Friday, 11 July 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Ask Ally about it. Mention her sister.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

So British CV's are more detailed, or what?

Mandee, Friday, 11 July 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I know not of British CVs, but in Canada, CVs tend to be very formal, no charts or soft skill set or anything fancy and used for exec hirings or Academia. Resumes are more varied and whidespread.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Charts??

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Mandee I only really know of American resumes--however the British "CVs" I have seen haven't been that much more detailed either. This could just be because I knew some real slacky Brits.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

British CV's are really basic, not more than two pages. Basically, they are what education you've had, and what jobs you've had and maybe a brief bit about what the jobs entailed, and maybe a couuple of names of references (or a cop-out saying "references available on request). Alot of jobs ask you to fill out application forms anyhow.

I don't have a CV, coz I never bother looking for a new job.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

That is a v.trad CV, jel. Nowadays you are encouraged to put in a section selling yourself (bulleted soft skills crap). But yeah, no more than 2 pages unless it's a professorship or whatever.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't worry nick.. at least you didn't think this was initially a thread about clone Cabaret Voltaires running around the planet.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I had charts, bullets, tables and just about anything possible to hide the fact that I had very little office/professional experience.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i use an army of subtly deployed smileys

mark s (mark s), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The last resume I had was very flashy; I think I was trying to show off my design skeez.

Of which I have little.

I think my next one will be a bit more basic.

Mandee, Friday, 11 July 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"Heavens! Just give me the job my friend ;)"

jel -- (jel), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

From my experience of hiring in both countries:

US resumes are almost always 1 page, UK CVs are 1-2 pages

UK CVs seem to have much information-- like A-level/GCSE exam results, in the US, you would likely only include post-high school education (if you had it). Also UK CVs seem to include every job held, including the Saturday job at a local shop held at age 16, US resumes tend to include only the relevant experience for the job

Major difference I have found is that in the UK, people include much more personal information -- in particular age, nationality and marital status. In the US, this just isn't done, with the exception of some older people. It would be illegal to ask questions about such things in the US, due to discrimination laws (I suspect this may also the case in the UK, but if it is there is less awareness of it)

cosmicgrrl, Friday, 11 July 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't give your age on your resumé? Wow. That's pretty cool.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 11 July 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I was asked my age on the application forms at the jobs I've been hired at. I don't know about the places you've gone to for hiring purposes, but I thought maybe there was a blank for a "date of birth" somewhere on every application form... ? ;)

I also thought there was little difference in American resumès and British CVs. My "best friend in the entire world" showed me his CV and it looked similar to the resumè I typed up for myself. Certainly in America you would not see as detailed a list of schools or accomplishments, but the rest was almost identical.

Also, it would be of little use (to me, anyway) to restate the personal information I'd put on my job/career application on my resumè. Just a thought.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 12 July 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Americans use a french word for them.

Gadammit! That's what I was going to say.

sukebe, Saturday, 12 July 2003 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

[innocent dreamer you want an "accent ague" (to the right, signifies an "ayy" sound), not an "accent grave" (to the left, signifying an "eh" whatever sound)]

punctutation patroller (tracerhand), Saturday, 12 July 2003 06:32 (twenty-two years ago)

(Uh, whoops. I thought the é had something to do with... oh never mind. I never took a day's worth of French lessons in my life. It's all been Spanish lessons. But then again, in Spanish none of the e's have those markings up on top, so er, hm. Ok, you may call me stupid now.)

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 12 July 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

you're not stupid, but spanish e's sometimes do have accent marks. inglés, for example.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Saturday, 12 July 2003 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Woah, Americans call acute accents 'the agues'

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 12 July 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I can assure you that there are no rules against age discrimination in the UK, so they all ask that. And (my personal experience) say things like "This is a pretty young company - don't you think you'd find it hard to fit in here?"

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 12 July 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I won't start a thread on it, but I'm working on my CV right now... I was fired yesterday. I live in the Bay Area. I'm a graphic designer. : (

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Woah, Americans call acute accents 'the agues'

No, just the ones who learned French and use the Frenchy word. Most Americans don't even see them.

I was fired yesterday.

Argh. Well I'm sorry, Sean. Hopefully unemployment (a.k.a. US Gov't Arts Grant) is in your future.

You don't give your age on your resumé? Wow. That's pretty cool.

You lot do? That strikes me as shocking. You have to even make sure that you don't scribble notes on the resumes of the folks you are thinking about hiring in this country that look like you're trying to figure out their ages...

Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 13 July 2003 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Mandee, cosmicgrrl is pretty OTM, I think. Certainly over-designed CVs tend to get the thumbs down over here in my experience, because unless they're totally understated and reasonable they detract from the content.

I'll send you mine if you have Word.

Sean, sympathies. Hope you get a job quicker than it's taking me...

A company I worked for once made the active decision that instead of bright, ambitious young graduates working on reception, they'd rather have someone 40-50 years old with secretary experience who had no ambitions to be promoted and wouldn't get bored of the role. They quickly discovered that it was the verve and hunger of the younger ones that made them good at the job; the older people with very different outlooks didn't really care and, by and large, were much less intelligent. But most of all they simply didn't fit into the youthful office mentality.

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 13 July 2003 07:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark, I'm not clear whether you find not fitting into an office mentality an acceptable reason to not hire someone reason or not. I mean, in micro sense, it may make at least short-term sense for the comapany, but in a wider sense it is obviously the mechanism by which all employment discrimnation works

You lot do? That strikes me as shocking.

Do you have to wear masks in inerviews too?

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 13 July 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I need to do a new CV tomorrow (didn't get the last job I went for).

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 13 July 2003 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I find not fitting into an office mentality an entirely pertinent reason for not hiring someone. I would consider it absolutely acceptable along with all the other reasons for hiring someone, especially in a reasonably small office, or in a company with an integral team structure. I can't see what's short-term about it, either.

Obviously, simply judging this on age is discriminatory, but I would take it into account along with all the other personal characteristics of the candidate.

So - what do, say, Hooters do when they interview? Could Martin Skidmore get a job there simply because they're not allowed to pick, yuong, pretty femals and no-one else?

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 13 July 2003 11:16 (twenty-two years ago)

For better or worse, one's job at Hooters involves not looking like Martin Skidmore. It's a tricky area but diffferent to the case of just not fitting into an office culture - something that has intrinsically nothing to do with one's duties.

I'm sorry Mark but that is exactly what anti-discrimination law is here for. No legislation means the status quo preserving itself by carrying on just hiring 'people like them'. That's not, ultimately the way to get the best people for the job, and more importantly, it fucks over people outside of the 'good boys' social strata.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 13 July 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I am pleased to be used as an example of an old and ugly person here.

I found the "this is a young company" attitude exactly equivalent (not legally) to "this is a very male company" oe "this is a very white company" as a reason to exclude women or non-white people. It was not a reaction to my talking about nights in with the pipe and slippers muttering about how it were all fields round here when I were a lad and they don't write proper tunes like in my day, or anything like that, it was a reaction to some numbers on a form.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 July 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone want to see my cv? Perhaps with a view to comapring it with a US one, or fine tuning it.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 13 July 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, as far as I've found no one I know puts their age, and most are advised against it -- also, I've read that women should put their initials instead of their first name. I've seen my Dad's resume and it sounds more like a British CV - it's got everything about him, including his age, the name of his wife, and where he was born. I told him it's too informative.

Mandee, Sunday, 13 July 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm quite happy to look at anyone's CV, if you imagine I can be of any help. I have been a bit involved in recruitment (and was recently sent on a course in it by my current employers), but I'm not sure how much use I could be in any area outside computing or comic books.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 July 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it okay to put Emoticons on your CV? Or only yr resume?

Horace.Mann, Sunday, 13 July 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

as in "Heavens! I was top of my class at Yale! ;-)"?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 July 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Martin, I took advantage of your good nature. Nick, I think you're being unrealistic, argumentative and plotically correct. I'm sorry if I I offend you by thinking office harmony isn't a good enough reason for employing someone. I've worked most of my career in snall offices where it's urgent + key. Maybe in your big faceless corporations you're able to take on misfits. Good for you.

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 13 July 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Misfits? Jesus Christ, Mark. Even the Tory party isn't in favour of repealing anti-discrimination laws.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 13 July 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm regretting this thread.

Mandee, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

mandee, cosmicgrrl said it all better than i could have. it sounds like you're changing from a UK CV to a US resume? i wouldn't put your age or citizenship or anything like that on it. some employers are so afraid of being seen to ask the wrong questions as far as equal opps are concerned-- your resume might get binned if you mention age or marital status.

and it's much shorter, only put jobs and experiences that are relevant to what you're applying for. i never had a resume/cv that was longer than one side of one page until i moved to london...

good luck with the job hunt!

colette (a2lette), Monday, 14 July 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Ack, sorry to hear that, Sean. My best for the search. Hope yer new guy is giving ya plenty of hugs and lurv to make up for things.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)


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