Ludivine Sagnier take me away!!!

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ok, so I fell in love (?) with Water Drops on Burning Rock, screamed 'oh goody' when she popped up in 8 Women, and am anticipating Swimming Pool like a dog anticipates bacon (and naysayers be warned - theren't enough nay in the world to dampen my enthusiasm). so, kudos Mr. Ozon. she will also be 'Tinkerbelle' in the P.J. Hogan Peter Pan I have some hopes for/curiosity in. anyhow, now The New York Times Sunday Mag has done a feature on her so I can devote a thread to her and pretend I'm tapping into some zeitgeist instead of merely yielding the floor to my dick.

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 July 2003 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

said piece

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 July 2003 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

She is scarily sexy.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 13 July 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I would just like to say, in all deference to my colleagues JB and N., that you'd have to wait to get your chance with young Ms. Sagnier, because I'd already be hitting it. Better bring pajamas, too, because you'll be camping out outside her door for DAYS like it was 1973 and you were trying to score Zep tickets.

― Neudonym, Sunday, 13 July 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i only know her as a wiggling tush in the "water drops..." preview.

― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 13 July 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

also her name is strangely unsexy, like "helga." but that's ok.

― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 13 July 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

does she go by "ludy" you think?

― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 13 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I love her, based on pretty much the same movies as Blount mentioned. Can't wait to see Swimming Pool. What am I doing here posting this? I should just go see the fucking thing!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 13 July 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

She's playing Tinkerbell? Oh shit.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 13 July 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Last night I met a sexy lady named "Eglatine"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 13 July 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

swimming pool is great because you can bring a girl and she will be hooked by the force of nature that is charlotte rampling and the excelent story and the charlotte/ludivine tension and the whole deal, and she will love you for bringing her to such a fine film. she'll be so into it that she may not even notice the fact that ludivine starts to spend a lot of time naked. i can't recommend it highly enough.

― dan (dan), Sunday, 13 July 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

Eglatine? Is that like Ovaltine?

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

she'll be so into it that she may not even notice the fact that ludivine starts to spend a lot of time naked.

This may be true in theory, but I totally noticed all the breast-shots. Of course, NA teases me because I've pointed out a couple of womens' breasts to him in the past (I couldn't help it! They were huge!)

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Swimming Pool vs The Crush. I got a real sense of deja vu, only I laughed more at Alicia's masterwork.

Wait for "Ludy's" answer to Excess Baggage.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 7 August 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

she looks like this camp counselor i had a crush on way back then. of course i never saw said counselor in the nude. i just watched water drops...--didn't like it all that much. it seemed really callow.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 25 August 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

but she's a really good actress in that movie, eh buddy?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 25 August 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

nyehhhhh, why don't you just rent a proper jazz film?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 25 August 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Al Jolsen doesn't really turn me on in the same way.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 25 August 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Swimming Pool is probably the most annoying film I've seen this year. It was going so well until they decided to end it (a bit over due) but the ending was so loose that it makes the standard unreliable narrator device look inadequate.

Sagnier could possibly take on Kate Winslety in the saucer nips stakes though.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 08:30 (twenty-two years ago)

How exactly would she take her on?

I didn't understand the ending.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Nor did I. I've got four or five possibilities, none of which really satisfy, or even make much sense. Very annoying, especially as I was really enjoying the Midsomer Murders vibe of the rest of it.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought this equalled the ending: Julie is a projection, a fictive version of Julia. Another interpretation which is possibly more interesting but I'm not sure it squares: Julia is a surrogate Julie through whom John (the publisher) vicariously 'acts' out his lost parenthood of Julie (the last scene of the film does neither rebut nor enforce this).

The film was OK, steady, not relentless, entertaining with a nice 'justified sinner' / moral rectitude and certainty of the doppelgangered theme running through Charlotte Rampling but nothing special. I enjoyed it a lot more than The Sacrifice (Tarkovsky) which I dare say is probably a better film.

― David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Doppelganger: Julie is Julia + the repressed and restrained lapses and impulsive urges that Rampling is unable to express or enjoy fully. This seems to be backed up by the scene where she steals some of Julia's (haha do you SEE?) food and the when she munches down the profiteroles ('if I do this fast enough, it never happened, yummmmm').

― David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(I mean, I'm rubbish at talking about and thinking about films and my film-analysis vocabulary normally extends to pointing and looking and saying 'wow, some of the shots were beautifully composed', 'it was a bit flashy', 'too slow' &c. So take what I say with a grinder of salt.)

― David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

interesting to watch sous le sable and swimming pool back to back, as i did this weekend; a number of scenes in the former recur in the latter. maybe there's some explanation to the swimming pool riddles there?

i agree with pete, but i think pool loses its way as soon as the 'fact' of the murder is confirmed by the discovery of the body. we also need to know more about what the rampling character has actually written in her latest book

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 10:23 (twenty-two years ago)

(all movies about writers who are 'blocked' or stuck in a rut should be destroyed tho')

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Also good but bad until you realise its good and then when you realise its 'good' you can see its really bad: the stilted dialogue as a play on Sarah's writing talents.

― David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Agree Zebedee, the delicious idea that Sagnier was playing Rampling for a fool as revenge for the exploitation of her life for the book was a much better idea and promised a much juicier reveal.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't get why Sagnier was so sanguine about Rampling's invasion of her diary. I was sure the jig was up, but instead Sagnier plays this convoluted revenge game where she tries to score with Rampling's crush from the restaurant, like "in your FACE, Rampling!!" Sagnier's character didn't seem calculating like that.

And if anybody could help me with the freakout scene where Julie thinks Ms Rampling is her mother I'd appreciate it.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

What's up in the U.S. of A. these days? Are you still calling it "Freedom Pussy"?

― dave q, Tuesday, 26 August 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I fear Mr Ozon is just throwing the balls up in the air and giving us what he thinks is a Lynchian ending (but at least all the various readings of Mullholland Drive work).

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

'dorwell wears a kilt'.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

most confusing part: at the end she walks past the real "julie" and they don't seem to know each other at all. no acknowledgement. but THEN there is that scene where the real "julie" gets out of the pool and she waves to her then she turns into Ludivine!

question: she seemed to learn all about the publisher's daughter for the first time when she met Ludivine. so if Ludivine is a figment of her imagination then how did she know that the publisher had a daughter named julie who was french?

― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Her publisher mentions that he might not be able to visit because of his daughter, among other things. If Rampling is the former flame it seems she is, she'll know about the daughter.

That shared laugh over the kilt was the last moment anything made a lick of sense. I knew we must be down the rabbit hole if the café Lothario was turning down head from Sagnier, gah, I was like "open your eyes, man!!"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

question: if Julie is all in Sarah's mind, then does Sarah really give up her "Freedom Pussy" to the gardener?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I know the questions are fruitless I just needed to say "Freedom Pussy" before I forgot about it

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe it would be appropriate to assume that everything that sarah does is real and everything that julie does is either fantasy or sarah pretending to be julie. otherwise ozon is cheating too much

― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

is this film any good at all? the only bits people like seem to be the ones where the lovely lady wanders around with hardly any or no clothes on.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but that's most of the film.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

she is not a lovely lady.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but that's most of the film.

hence my suggestion that you just rent a nice pornographic video. that way you get plenty of nudity without annoying plot elements.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

No, my point is that she happens to be nude for most of the film. Most of the film is good for that reason. It does go downhill when there's no more naked Sagnier, but that's incidental.

I never understand this 'why not rent a porno' argument. Women in porno films don't look like Ludivine Sagnier.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it just soft-core nudity or real nudity with bush and everything? I have an extremely limited film budget

― dave q, Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no, ILE has become cndb.com.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Well according to cndb.com there's no bush, so thanks N! I just saved £8

― dave q, Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I think there is bush.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

There is brief bush.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

But possibly it was a figment of Charlotte Rampling's imagination.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Or mine.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the scene where marcel trims the bush was cut.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You must have been dozing - it was only trimmed.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

But was Marcel cut?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

THe ending of this film baffled me as well and I saw it with Nordicskillz who, despite his claimed background studying film criticism, was unable to elucidate it. I will say that my wife loved this movie and was less concerned with the mechanics of the plot as she was with the Charlotte Rampling character; she knows a lot of repressed and/or menopausal women so she found some sympathy for them in the character. But yeah, I gathered that nothing at the house actually happened but that's what her book was about, and the daughter Julie never actually showed up there. I don't understand the final scene with the wave at all but I don't think it was real.

Finding Nemo was better. Ludivine Sagnier should have been swimming naked through that.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

[link to nude pictures of LS]

― Dada, Tuesday, 26 August 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

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