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that's that over with then. and i'd rather cameron than bad-tempered ray won.

best bits? worst bits?

'i don't like the bananas in banofee pie' - trania

andy

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 25 July 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I know this is a very bad thing to say, but this wasn't the best BB. I had to kind of force myself to watch it by the end. More Sissy would have helped.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 26 July 2003 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The best bit was when Gae walked into the camera and Gos helped him up, and then a bit later Gos gave Gae his massive t-shirt, and Gae gave him his towel. These were the only really good bits, really.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 26 July 2003 08:22 (twenty-two years ago)

the good bits were more subtle than before: perhaps this is a bad sign (hmmm why do i sound like the pinefox this morning)

the final week was too friendly

on aim i said to martin that cameron reminded me of me, and he said "haha really? you see yourself as a fundamentalist xtian fisherman?" and i said, well no, not that exactly, but he made me think of how ppl maybe saw me, so i wz naturally somewhat protective of this

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 July 2003 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

jon, for example, did NOT remind me of me, despite ile theories abt his mirror-phase geek appeal

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 July 2003 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

but Mark you are not a geek, so no mirror-phase repulsion applies.

― RickyT (RickyT), Saturday, 26 July 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

wasn't the theory that MPGA explained i. that jon initially appalled so many, ii. that they came to like him somewhat/be protective towards him?

anyway he never appalled me, i just found him funny and unusual as TV fare, so whatever

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 July 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

My favourite moment remains Steph leaning over to the diary room camera and asking if it was okay if she cleaned up in there.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 26 July 2003 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I enjoyed this series better than the others, even though the housemates were less vivid. It's a great chance to observe the munutiae of the way different people interreact with each other. I quite respected that people stuck to their own principles rather than play the games the producers and the media wanted them to play. I was often genuinely touched, particularly by the fact that the housemates genuinely enjoyed being in the house instead of, like last years' lot, constantly complaining about the boredom and the tasks. I admired the willingness of characters like Ray and Nush to face up to their limitations as human beings and to preserve some discretion. (Last night, for example, Ray refused to have his todger shown to the public, and Nush was noticeably and understandably unwilling to be manhandled on stage by Davina into the family hug with Scott.)

I loved it - many tears in my eyes last night - and I'm not sure that Fame Academy can be an adequate substitute.

― thoth (Jake Proudlock), Saturday, 26 July 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

My favourite moment remains Steph leaning over to the diary room camera and asking if it was okay if she cleaned up in there.

Yes, that was good. Almost as good as when she said "I think if you murder somebody then you don't deserve a life".

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 26 July 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. It's very informative watching someone like Steph over so many weeks. On the face of it, she's just the typical young English woman, but over the two months various toxic leaks show her to be the housemate who has changed the least, if at all. Not one of her inflexible beliefs has shifted - anti-masturbation, anti friskiness in men, pro death penalty etc. She only perks up when talking about her dogs, who she has in her bedroom - something that was clearly an issue between her and her ex-husband (no doubt she refused to compromise on it). Steph is a dreary woman who is tolerable when sober if she stays in the background, and grotesque when drunk - repetitive, interruptive, and drony. She only lasted so long, in my opinion, because of a voting system which tempts people to vote out noticeable people first.

― thoth (Jake Proudlock), Saturday, 26 July 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

it's been odd. last couple of weeks were a bit too pally to make decent television but the irish theme night was probably the most extreme behaviour of BBs so far.

scott looked haggard last night, somehow. steph and cameron took it well.

the 4 in one night evictions seems a bit many, people don't seem to get as much limelight as the people who left before them. and how much RI:SE or BBLB work will there for them to do before the BB thing is yesterday's news? didn't kate almost disappear off screens for a week or so after the final last time? and brian?

so, will have to start looking for something else to watch whilst you're all at work.

andy

― koogs (koogs), Saturday, 26 July 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I am amused intrigued and tickled by Mark S's likening of himself to me.

Thoth reminds me of Robin Carmody.

I watched the eviction programme last night. I think that Big Brother is quite good at staging something 'dramatic'. Lining up the other housemates on the platform is an instance of this, though I am not sure why.

Davina McCall is a nervous hypocrite whose family seems ever growing. But maybe she has a knack for this programme. I quite like the way she only bothers doing any of it one night of the week.

I liked the way they had to get Jon Tickle out of the house first. He was nervous as they began to give him his orders. A question: when, if ever, were the other housemates informed that he had been evacuated and could not win anyway?

The families showed certain resemblances in a grim Proustian kind of way.

When Stephanie heard that she was in 4th place she was visibly annoyed. I did not credit her later denial of this. When her family embraced her it brought tears to my eyes. This made me think defensively about how the programme, whatever its limits and unpromising symptoms, is not a symptom of an Orwellian culture as its name implies. I am stating the obvious here.

Scott's exit was unimpressive. He did not emotionally rise to the occasion. When questioned about his feelings for Nush he should have been more evasive, as Nush herself has been. Possibly the difference is due to the imbalance of their feelings.

I don't like the geezer Ray, but somehow I forgave him a little when he took the Irish flag. I will not bother asking why he wears an England shirt.

I don't think I dislike the geezer Cameron. I am not sure whether he is a phoney as they say. I wonder whether that idea needs further unpacking. I don't think that his victory is a bad sign for the programme or for our society.

― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I still find it odd that "contestant's" parents represent them when they are in the house. Surely once you reach sixteen/eighteen/twenty (whatever)your parents cease to know you even half as well as a friend would.

When I watched the mothers with tears in their eyes, saying how proud they were of their offspring, I wondered what these boys and girls have been doing with their lives?

― Lara (Lara), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, also do they screen out contestants who have angrily broken with their parents? or whose parents would go on TV and say "my _______ is a bad-mannered selfish waster and an idiot, as you can see..."

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

BB talking to Jon in the diary room was beamed into the house on that TV screen they have - they all saw and heard it.

― C J (C J), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

What puzzled me was Jon's assertion that Cameron was a manipulative git who was desperate to win. Jon said "well, you didn't see all the things that we saw in the house". I thought that the cameras were filming them 24/7, and you could see it all on E4 or something (I am not sure about this because I only have ordinary and boring TV channels in my house) but if Cameron really were a jekyll/hyde character it would have been spotted by the public I'd have thought.

― C J (C J), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps there was a vibe.

― Lara (Lara), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw him kill sheep in the night.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

That's what they do in the Orkneys to keep warm.

― Lara (Lara), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

He wasn't killing tham. He was shagging them.

― C J (C J), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean 'them'

― C J (C J), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Cameron meant well.

― Lara (Lara), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I really liked Cameron, and I'm pleased he has won. I like the fact that his surname is 'Stout'. It makes him sound like a character from one of Hardy's Wessex novels.

― C J (C J), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

It makes him sound bulky and thickset, which he is. His brother looks an altogether better prospect.

― Lara (Lara), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

presumably what jon means is "he beat me so he must be tactically cleverer than me — but there was no overt evidence for any greater cleverness, so look to the covert"

at what point does "being more likeable" become an evil manipulative strategy?

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

When you start licking people.

― Lara (Lara), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm way beyond that!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Davina's incessant attempts at matchmaking couples who obviously don't want to be couples does my head in.

Cameron's brother is a presenter on Scottish television, doing crap showbiz reports and the like. He claimed to have been chatted up by both Kylie and Dannii Minogue in the papers last week, but sadly this proves ungoogleable. He is obviously trying to lay claim to being the Justin Timberlake of Stromness.

He does however seem to have noticed that Stout isn't a glamorous-enough sounding name for a TV presenter. I wonder if he was actually christened Julyan?

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 26 July 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Cameron is false per se or, as Jon suggested, putting on an act. It's just that if you follow the bible literally you cannot fully relax into social situations and follow your sexual instincts. You have a cop in the head. And you cannot always openly say what you think morally about what is going on around you, not if you don't want to offend everybody and become an outsider. I thought Cameron dealt with this difficulty surprisingly well, managing to stick to his beliefs without getting up everybody's noses.

― thoth (Jake Proudlock), Saturday, 26 July 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

If you follow the bible literally your head explodes.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 26 July 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Irish Flag, English Shirt !

― Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 26 July 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Ray is the nu-Morrissey.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 26 July 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Gos' parents were not in sight for BB; his girlfriend and little brother were. My friend is pals with the little brother and I think there's a family rift over the girlfriend, and my friend who is Sikh like Gos reckons the parents might be devout and not keen on telly.

Cameron's brother uses his mum's maiden name professionally.

Aack, can I download these factoids somewhere because I'm worried my brain is running out of disk space?

― suzy (suzy), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

oh what great finalists. a religious homophobe and a violent misogynist

nice one britain

― j0e (j0e), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I felt total ennui seeping over me as soon as Cameron was announced as the winner. BB leaves my head for another year. But can I just say that my favourite moment was when Gos was saying goodbye to Gae and he said 'Take this. It's a Wagon Wheel.' You couldn't make up dialogue as great as that.

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

For the first year ever my stating "There's no way I'm watching that" has come true. As a consequence I have lots more writing and reading done. Win-win.

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I am glad Cameron won, at least he was a bit different to everyone else in the house. This years BB was extremely dud as each episode was like watching the previous episode. Nothing exciting really happened. I also have never been annoyed into not watching before. lisa & jon killed certain parts for me. jon with his incesant whining when he went back in the house. YOU CHOSE TO GO BACK IN YOU FREAK!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

The TV has been properly banished now (no more cheating to watch evictions) and has been replaced by a dining table. (We never had one before because Matt was keeping his decks on it and we didn't have any chairs anyway.) Hurrah! TS: telly vs CIVILISED EATING?

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

my favourite moment was when Gos was saying goodbye to Gae and he said 'Take this. It's a Wagon Wheel.' You couldn't make up dialogue as great as that.

Ha ha - I missed this. Good old Gos. Was he wishing it was 200 years ago when doing such a thing might have influenced the course of African history? (for good or bad I don't know)

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Archel, just what kind of a tyrant is this Matt?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:24 (twenty-two years ago)

In the end I'm glad I watched old Dr Who and Blakes 7 episodes all Summer instead. But I'll be back next year.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you think Jon's mistrust of cameron goes back to that initial spat over the bell-ringing task "I know Cameron agrees with me and I wish he'd day something". I think he took that v personally and took it to a martyr-complex sort of level. "I'm not afraid to be unpopular, but these things must be done".

I never saw Cameron say anything homophobic, but I expect he is, and no doubt so is 70% of the population of UK outside of the major cities.

Sissy's was the most detestable eviction performance.

― Alan (Alan), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I think this is a great idea Archel. When we move into our new house, we arent gonna have a tv downstairs at all (obv we will have one upstairs in the play room along with dvd player, ps2, decks etc etc) but we will have a stereo downstairs. This will encourage us to be more intellectual apparently!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The Wagon Wheel is a famously powerful symbol for peace and harmony between nations. (Well, it should be.)

Why is Matt tyrannical? Re. the telly or re. the decks on the table?

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone complicit in trying to edge telly out of someone's life is a tyrant.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I watched and enjoyed the final. I'm glad Cameron won, he seems like a good stick. So does Matt.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the telly that is the tyrant don't you SEE!!!!!!!

(Wonder how long I can keep up the proselytising after Sex and the City starts again haha.)

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I watched old Dr. Who AND Big Bro 4 all summer. Sadly Mr. Jon Tickle never mentioned Who in all his early sci-fi chats.

― Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i found it all a bit crap this year except when steff was evicted and her mum came charging up to her - gave her the biggest hug i have ever seen and told her she loved her so much - a little tear came to my eye at that point i can tell you

― james (james), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man, I had to leave the room at that point I was so choked up. I didn't even like Steph.

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Yep me too!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I was puking at that point, as I am a cynical curmudgeon.

Scott and Ray are going to share a house in the real world!

Good old Scottie, he'll always be the winner in my head.

― chris (chris), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I had no problem with the Steph mum love. You are all heartless.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

oh chris you are souless all i could say at that point was em and yp and basically words cos i'd have gone all a quiver if id have said anything

― james (james), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, luckily I was on my own watching. But I bet Matt would have had to swallow hard too.

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I think for Trig Brother on Saturday, if selected as a housemate, I shall try pretending to be a Scottish fundamentalist Christian fisherman. It's clearly a guarantee of victory.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

But you're not keeping it real ~~Cameron~~ Martin, says Jon!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

or a floosy with big boobies as she has enjoyed a renaisance of appreciation

― james (james), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't going to admit to getting teary at Steph's exit, but since everyone else has... even my famously detached brother had a certain moistness around the eyes.

― Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

you're all a bunch of girls. I was cringing at the loud brummie squeaking.

― chris (chris), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

have been sent these (don't know accuracy):

Cameron 1,928,570
Ray 1,428,231
Scott 786,978
Steph 196,026

i am surprised at how unpopular steph was - and that scott was so far behind the top 2

(have heard that the total number of votes was almost exactly half that cast in the final last year

― Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

DUH
the top 2 got another round of votes in didn't they

*sigh*

― Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin pretending to be a Scottish fundamentalist homophobic Christian fisherman who has never had sex would be such an amazing feat of dramatic expertise that I would grant him victory on the spot.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Sadly, it is an attempt that would fail at the first hurdle. I can't do any accents - well, I can do this rubbish Bristol one you've already heard Matt, but it takes all my effort. We have discussed my fishing skills before, I believe.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 28 July 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

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